I can't wait for Bounties to be implementable on everyone......

Put a 50m bounty on an exhumer pilot, and it'll be plenty profitable enough to suicide gank them....

Oh, so we can just go around placing arbitrary bounties on everyone for free?

Neat.

A profit might be possible. Consider this:

gank every miner except your own, be the only one mining the resource. Profit?

So it might have been lucrative to just gank the miners and have a stockpile of the targeted resource already at hand, and then sell it at a higher price. The cost of ganking now might offset that, but the hull buff may have now required that the gankers harvest the resources themselves.

This is my theory or assumption. They might just be trying to see if it's possible.

Ofc, the simplest solution to make ganking exhumers profitable. Mine the resources and MAKE the gankmobile. Cost = 0

Pssst.....Don't forget to tank those exhumers tho', there's bad men out there who want to touch you.

Not sure if you're trolling or not, just because you mine your own minerals doesn't make them free, they're worth as much as someone is willing to pay for them.

Saw nine tornados on scan, aligned out. When they landed I warped off. Was immediately called a "f****** f**** coward!" in local. Please explain the amount of extreme rage these gankers have? Why are they so mad? Might be due to a couple of them smashing their face into my brick tanks fist seven times, but I thought this was just a game.

Saving the logs for now to milk them a bit longer before reporting the two highly upset gankers for their unkind words. Also having fun using a Kitsune with Gallente jammers to jam all these Catalysts the moment they go flashy.

I love this!

I'll argue this till the cows come home. There is no REAL cost to aquisition in a VR environment except time. Only a-retents pouring over little squares in a maths app think there is.

If you intend to calculate time in the aquisition then there are far more profitable ways to make isk and I've hammered this home a million times.

Gankers need to gank for fun and stop using any economic argument to justify it. Period.

PS: Besides, you're talking about mineral value at sale. Nothing actually has value until it is for sale. File that one in your economics folder under R for reality.

I shall refer you to the phenomenon known as opportunity cost

The value of the minerals you mine is not only determined by how much someone is willing to pay for them but by what else you could have been doing in the time it takes to mine them.

Tippia or Akita_T can explain it a lot better than I can

Seriously, they called you a *&^%$# coward because you flew away in your MINING VESSEL as they came to hit you with 9, read NINE battlecruisers?

YOU'RE a coward?

ROFLMAO... I'm laughing so hard I'm crying....

If they were to apply RL economics, ofc they can. So too could I.

And if I were to do so, I'd tell you to get a job, earn $45 in an hour, buy yourself 3 plex and make 1.8b IN ONE HOUR.

Any RL economic argument that wants to play "VR time as a cost" needs to include an RL equivalent which completely squashes ANY need to even play for isk at all.

>>>>> "what else you could have been doing in the time it takes to mine them"

Exactly what I'm saying.

Ganking should NOT be done nor can it be argued as requiring profit as the motivation. There is no need. Ever.

Ganking shouldn't be done for the profit?

Oh, I think the last freighter the goons popped would beg to differ...

If they were to apply RL economics, ofc they can. So too could I.

And if I were to do so, I'd tell you to get a job, earn $45 in an hour, buy yourself 3 plex and make 1.8b IN ONE HOUR.

Any RL economic argument that wants to play "VR time as a cost" needs to include an RL equivalent which completely squashes ANY need to even play for isk at all.

>>>>> "what else you could have been doing in the time it takes to mine them"

Exactly what I'm saying.

Ganking should NOT be done nor can it be argued as requiring profit as the motivation. There is no need. Ever.

Man, Marlona is still really mad about being banned from kugu by Mittens.

A job you say? $45 an hour you say? There's these things called economies, with few exceptions they're not in a good state globally. Where I live there are 1500 people going for every job that comes up, and believe me none of them are paying $45 an hour.

In real money terms (to me) $45 an hour is -ú28 an hour, I know very few people who earn even close to that.

I'm a specialist auto electrician by trade, I specialised in fitting optional entertainment systems into high end vehicles such as Bentley & Rolls Royce, as well as aftermarket electronics into cars that the average consumer can't fit their own stuff into because of technologies such as CANBUS and MOST, that trade is dead, nobody has the money anymore to purchase the stuff let alone pay for it to be fitted, long gone are the days when people would spend -ú10k on vehicle enhancements. I'm looking for a permanent job, I have paid good money to train new skills, the jobs that are out there have more applicants than they know what to do with. I'm currently doing casual work on building sites to keep a roof over my head and food in my belly, and that work is drying up.

Now talk to me about real life economics.

ICE procuror fits can AFK for about 30 minutes & have ~5X the eHP... will be interesting if they start popping up or if cheap retiervers replace the MACs in the ice fields

You heard or read Baltec Zim and Darth too?

But seems they can still gank ships. It's good news for them, bad for idiots.

We are teaching bad miners the difference between not profitable to gank and ungankable.

Go to belt, launch drones, turn on ice harvester and go do something else. 116,662 EHP. For added fun toss in Tengu shield bonuses to bring that up to 157,352 EHP. Welcome to AFK PvP.

Sure you won't be getting that amazing ice yield, but instead you will bask in the glory of ganker tears and after all, can you really put a price on those?

Thanks.

The gankers always say we are 'stupid' for not tanking 100%.

For me, it's RISK vs REWARD. Not stupidity.

And I will almost always fit for max yield.

...and not been blown up while mining in over 1yr, 8 months.

Those miners who do get exploded are AFK, period.

Saw nine tornados on scan, aligned out. When they landed I warped off. Was immediately called a "f****** f**** coward!" in local. Please explain the amount of extreme rage these gankers have? Why are they so mad? Might be due to a couple of them smashing their face into my brick tanks fist seven times, but I thought this was just a game.

Saving the logs for now to milk them a bit longer before reporting the two highly upset gankers for their unkind words. Also having fun using a Kitsune with Gallente jammers to jam all these Catalysts the moment they go flashy.

I love this!

We are teaching bad miners the difference between not profitable to gank and ungankable.

Thanks.

The gankers always say we are 'stupid' for not tanking 100%.

For me, it's RISK vs REWARD. Not stupidity.

And I will almost always fit for max yield.

...and not been blown up while mining in over 1yr, 8 months.

Those miners who do get exploded are AFK, period.

You could, you know, just send 'em an email.

English translation, people will afk mine ice in multiboxed Procurors.

The truth is that even if they did, they wouldn't fit tanks, they would fit for yield/cargo and would die to a suicide gank, not to mention that the ore hold is too small to make it really viable.

36 minutes for 12 blocks of ice is a sizeable amount of time invested for the return even in a cheap barge like a Procuror.