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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
817
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Posted - 2012.10.15 15:31:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Would appear Goonswarm is back to manipulating the Oxygen Isotope market (good on them, by the way.) Mackinaw killmails are rolling in. Volume the last two days has been nearly triple the norm. And prices are 1.5x higher than they were.
Prepare. Stockpile. Invest.
Will the prices head upwards to 1400 ISK per unit, as they did last interdiction?
Time to undock with 90K EHP Skiffs. Moving my alt over there for lols and giggles  brb |

baltec1
Bat Country
2481
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Posted - 2012.10.15 15:33:00 -
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Sisohiv wrote:83, 447 EHP Skiff mining 30 Ice an hr says you might want to just enjoy the cheap fuel. They didnt tank their barges for 8 months. What makes think they would give up their ma efficienty ships now? |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
817
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Posted - 2012.10.15 15:35:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:
If true here comes the Procuror multi boxers to GALL space that'll makethe 20 box retriever fleets look like sharks in a school of sardines
English translation, people will afk mine ice in multiboxed Procurors. The truth is that even if they did, they wouldn't fit tanks, they would fit for yield/cargo and would die to a suicide gank, not to mention that the ore hold is too small to make it really viable. 36 minutes for 12 blocks of ice is a sizeable amount of time invested for the return even in a cheap barge like a Procuror.
Fit tank and you get almost free of ganking, they can still gank you no matter how much tank you fit but you will be less of an interesting target when there are so many lazy ones not fitting a single tank mod.
brb |

Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
1436
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Posted - 2012.10.15 16:08:00 -
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[Skiff, Tough Cookie] Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Field II Medium Shield Extender II Medium Shield Extender II
ORE Ice Harvester
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Hammerhead II x5
Go to belt, launch drones, turn on ice harvester and go do something else. 116,662 EHP. For added fun toss in Tengu shield bonuses to bring that up to 157,352 EHP. Welcome to AFK PvP.
Sure you won't be getting that amazing ice yield, but instead you will bask in the glory of ganker tears and after all, can you really put a price on those? 
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9885
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Posted - 2012.10.15 16:20:00 -
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Tarassse wrote:Do note that whether their mackinaw is tanked or not, it still dies to 2 catalysts in 0.6. Not really, no. Or rather, if they do, I'm really interested in your 1k DPS Cats because I could use someGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Hypercake Mix
Magical Rainbow Bakery
59
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Posted - 2012.10.15 16:33:00 -
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Two months of "Macks are ungankable" to mislead the bads into flying badly tanked Macks. Sell tons of Mackinaws. Wrecking shots on that 250m sig radius. lol. |

La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
205
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Posted - 2012.10.15 16:50:00 -
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captain foivos wrote:Touval, you are the most cognitively impaired poster in recent memory. Please stop posting. Think of the children. Think of the world they will have to grow up in, filled with your words. Stop posting for their sake.
This is an important post. Goonwaffe is now recruiting feel free to message me in game for information about joining! |

Jonah Gravenstein
Mahatma Cote Temporal Research
1626
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Posted - 2012.10.15 17:05:00 -
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Speaking of untanked barges, there's a thread in New Player Q&A from someone with their first barge, despite attempts to convince him to fit a tank of sorts even if it's just a DCU there is a poster saying that he shouldn't fit a tank at all, I implore some of the GSF posters here to educate the noob and especially the bad poster who is spreading misinformation. Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
1438
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Posted - 2012.10.15 17:40:00 -
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I have an alt with a 100% full blown tanked mackinaw.
Mackinaw next to me has a faster yield, but all his ice just exploded with his ship. Profit: -200m give or take. Me, I'm about to dock with my first load of ice. Profit: I honestly don't know, but I did scoop the T2 loot from 9 Catalyst and 3 Tornados. I would post the kill mails and chat logs after this whole Pay attention to us!!! nerd rage event is over. The chat logs will have to be heavily censored though. Those gankers have an interesting vocabulary when they are mad.
Thanks gankers!
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |

Cede Forster
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
120
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Posted - 2012.10.15 17:40:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Touval Lysander wrote:baltec1 wrote:Not invulnerable, just not cheap to do. No way man. I've been reading for days and days about "Eve is dying" because of the Mack buff. yaddy ya.... And if...errr... "not profitable".... what would be the errr..... reason..... for.... the.... errr... interdiction? Lies. All lies. This. After all the whinage and crying that suiciding miners is no longer profitable I find it hard to believe that miners are being suicided to increase... profits.
lets just get this straight
miners were whining until CCP freaking ears started bleeding and they buffed mining ships, selling it as "changing them so they all have their place" |

Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
1438
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Posted - 2012.10.15 17:45:00 -
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Cede Forster wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Touval Lysander wrote:baltec1 wrote:Not invulnerable, just not cheap to do. No way man. I've been reading for days and days about "Eve is dying" because of the Mack buff. yaddy ya.... And if...errr... "not profitable".... what would be the errr..... reason..... for.... the.... errr... interdiction? Lies. All lies. This. After all the whinage and crying that suiciding miners is no longer profitable I find it hard to believe that miners are being suicided to increase... profits. lets just get this straight miners were whining until CCP freaking ears started bleeding and they buffed mining ships, selling it as "changing them so they all have their place" There, there... Wipe those tears. Actually, don't!
/fills glass
Ahh, delicious.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |

Mara Tessidar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
666
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Posted - 2012.10.15 18:05:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:There, there... Wipe those tears. Actually, don't!
/fills glass
Ahh, delicious.
You disgust me. EveO is a circus train that is for bafflingly unclear reasons also carrying tanks of chlorine gas,-ácrashing and exploding in the middle of a small midwestern town. -áCalling it a mere train wreck gives neither the entertainment nor the horror it offers its proper due. |

Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
1438
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Posted - 2012.10.15 18:14:00 -
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Another Mackinaw dead next to me. He is in an NPC corp and has yet to warp off.
/scoops Mackinaw loot
I'll worry about him coming back in a PvP ship when he wakes up.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |

Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
655
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Posted - 2012.10.15 18:40:00 -
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If you are losing your mack to 2x suicide catalysts... you are fitting it poorly, and I have no sympathy for you. You can easily fit a solid tank (35k+) with a modest yield...
If you want to fit for max yield, then you risk getting suicide ganked... The choice is yours... and CCP should not hold your hand and protect you anymore than they already have!!!
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Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy Caldari State
173
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Posted - 2012.10.15 18:42:00 -
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lrn2eve, miners. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
927
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Posted - 2012.10.15 19:26:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
If you want to fit for max yield, then you risk getting suicide ganked... The choice is yours... and CCP should not hold your hand and protect you anymore than they already have!!!
Thanks.
The gankers always say we are 'stupid' for not tanking 100%.
For me, it's RISK vs REWARD. Not stupidity.
And I will almost always fit for max yield.
...and not been blown up while mining in over 1yr, 8 months.
Those miners who do get exploded are AFK, period. |

Hrothgar Nilsson
Black Core Federation Black Core Alliance
144
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Posted - 2012.10.15 19:42:00 -
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I'm sure somebody is just chomping at the bit to use locator agents to track you down and pop your cherry. Just because you posted that. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTzA_xesrL8 |

Veng Gore
Blank Hands Tech
0
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Posted - 2012.10.15 19:48:00 -
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And the children of eve play on. Crush Goonswarm. All of eve take them all. Everyone set personal standings against them. Those that don't are with them. Kill them all! |

Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
655
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Posted - 2012.10.15 19:57:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
If you want to fit for max yield, then you risk getting suicide ganked... The choice is yours... and CCP should not hold your hand and protect you anymore than they already have!!!
Thanks. The gankers always say we are 'stupid' for not tanking 100%. For me, it's RISK vs REWARD. Not stupidity. And I will almost always fit for max yield. ...and not been blown up while mining in over 1yr, 8 months. Those miners who do get exploded are AFK, period.
I'm not a highsec ganker.... and I'll admit I occasionally mine in highsec on my indy alt....
It's 100% about risk vs reward. I fit a decent tank on my exhumer, and have never lost it despite half a dozen attempts on it (although I definitely would have if I didn't tank it!). If you can mine safely, without tanking it... good for you....
If you really accept the risk when NOT tanking your ship, then you won't whine and cry and complain about OP suicide gankers if you are ganked, because you'll realize it was your choices that enabled them to gank you! |

Touval Lysander
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
365
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Posted - 2012.10.15 19:59:00 -
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Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:I'm sure somebody is just chomping at the bit to use locator agents to track you down and pop your cherry. Just because you posted that. For 20m, I'll tell you were he mines. Miners should not be THIS stupid. I lost countless ships and millions of isk on gank attempts. I did not blame CCP, Concord or the miner. I blamed me for bothering. I made more money.......... mining.
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Touval Lysander
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
365
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Posted - 2012.10.15 20:02:00 -
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baltec1 wrote: Just pointing out. They still dont tank their ships.
What I heard, they don't need to. CCP did it for them.
I lost countless ships and millions of isk on gank attempts. I did not blame CCP, Concord or the miner. I blamed me for bothering. I made more money.......... mining.
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Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy Caldari State
174
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Posted - 2012.10.15 20:05:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
If you want to fit for max yield, then you risk getting suicide ganked... The choice is yours... and CCP should not hold your hand and protect you anymore than they already have!!!
Thanks. The gankers always say we are 'stupid' for not tanking 100%. For me, it's RISK vs REWARD. Not stupidity. And I will almost always fit for max yield. ...and not been blown up while mining in over 1yr, 8 months. Those miners who do get exploded are AFK, period.
Today's "Duh" Note for readers: The same laziness that gankers and forum warriors attribute to "AFK" miners can be found in gankers, too. Get out of the mission and trade hubs, and actually take 2 minutes to find a safe place to operate. You're just about guaranteed a safer existence as a miner. lrn2eve |

Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
1441
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Posted - 2012.10.15 20:13:00 -
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Three more Catalyst dead. Loot scooped and resuming mining. Think I might go make a sandwich, yeah that sounds good.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |

Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
110
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Posted - 2012.10.15 20:20:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Sisohiv wrote:83, 447 EHP Skiff mining 30 Ice an hr says you might want to just enjoy the cheap fuel. They didnt tank their barges for 8 months. What makes think they would give up their ma efficienty ships now?
Back to the cheap fuel.
Crime watch is on the way. A high Sec POS to annoy the locals would be a lot easier with 400 ISK topes but you insist on this?
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Touval Lysander
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
367
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Posted - 2012.10.15 20:47:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Three more Catalyst dead. Loot scooped and resuming mining. Think I might go make a sandwich, yeah that sounds good. /me takes note of collusion between Goons and NC.
Is this a SAVE Highsec CTA?
Is Nulli coming? I lost countless ships and millions of isk on gank attempts. I did not blame CCP, Concord or the miner. I blamed me for bothering. I made more money.......... mining.
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
821
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Posted - 2012.10.15 21:23:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
If you want to fit for max yield, then you risk getting suicide ganked... The choice is yours... and CCP should not hold your hand and protect you anymore than they already have!!!
Thanks. The gankers always say we are 'stupid' for not tanking 100%. For me, it's RISK vs REWARD. Not stupidity.
There's more stupidity to collect than rewards. Choose your pick  brb |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
822
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Posted - 2012.10.15 21:27:00 -
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Touval Lysander wrote:baltec1 wrote: Just pointing out. They still dont tank their ships.
What I heard, they don't need to. CCP did it for them.
You heard or read Baltec Zim and Darth too?
But seems they can still gank ships. It's good news for them, bad for idiots. brb |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
822
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Posted - 2012.10.15 21:30:00 -
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Touval Lysander wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Three more Catalyst dead. Loot scooped and resuming mining. Think I might go make a sandwich, yeah that sounds good. /me takes note of collusion between Goons and NC. Is this a SAVE Highsec CTA? Is Nulli coming?
Both now about each other alt high sec mining/industrial/mission/trading/hauling corporations. So at some point yes, it's high sec CTA witch is hilarious and gets even better when you think about crimewatch and kill rights, this is just HILARIOUS  brb |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1815
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Posted - 2012.10.15 22:53:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote: This.
After all the whinage and crying that suiciding miners is no longer profitable I find it hard to believe that miners are being suicided to increase... profits.
Whoever said anythng about making a profit?
A profit might be possible. Consider this:
gank every miner except your own, be the only one mining the resource. Profit?
So it might have been lucrative to just gank the miners and have a stockpile of the targeted resource already at hand, and then sell it at a higher price. The cost of ganking now might offset that, but the hull buff may have now required that the gankers harvest the resources themselves.
This is my theory or assumption. They might just be trying to see if it's possible.
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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
656
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Posted - 2012.10.15 23:00:00 -
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I can't wait for Bounties to be implementable on everyone......
Put a 50m bounty on an exhumer pilot, and it'll be plenty profitable enough to suicide gank them.... |
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