not likely as now we have fuel blocks

I'm not sure exactly how the works ... but I assume you still have to mine the stuff before turning them into fuel blocks.

NOT POSSIBLE!!!

Ganking CAN'T be done in Eve anymore.

Mackinaws are INVULNERABLE.

Would appear Goonswarm is back to manipulating the Oxygen Isotope market (good on them, by the way.) Mackinaw killmails are rolling in. Volume the last two days has been nearly triple the norm. And prices are 1.5x higher than they were.

Prepare. Stockpile. Invest.

Will the prices head upwards to 1400 ISK per unit, as they did last interdiction?

Not invulnerable, just not cheap to do.

If true here comes the Procuror multi boxers to GALL space that'll makethe 20 box retriever fleets look like mackruels in a school of sardiens http://media.treehugger.com/assets/images/2011/10/20100518-school-of-fish.jpg

No way man. I've been reading for days and days about "Eve is dying" because of the Mack buff. yaddy ya....

And if...errr... "not profitable".... what would be the errr..... reason..... for.... the.... errr... interdiction?

Lies. All lies.

No way man. I've been reading for days and days about "Eve is dying" because of the Mack buff. yaddy ya....

And if...errr... "not profitable".... what would be the errr..... reason..... for.... the.... errr... interdiction?

Lies. All lies.

This.

After all the whinage and crying that suiciding miners is no longer profitable I find it hard to believe that miners are being suicided to increase... profits.

If true here comes the Procuror multi boxers to GALL space that'll makethe 20 box retriever fleets look like sharks in a school of sardines

what

Whoever said anythng about making a profit?

You can thank the freighter pilots for the subsities

Also NC.

Not invulnerable, just not cheap to do.

So ganking Macks IS possible AND it's able to be done PROFITABLY.

So ganking Macks IS possible AND it's able to be done PROFITABLY.

English translation, people will afk mine ice in multiboxed Procurors.

The truth is that even if they did, they wouldn't fit tanks, they would fit for yield/cargo and would die to a suicide gank, not to mention that the cargo hold is too small to make it actually viable.

Attacking a Mack isn't profitable.

What's profitable is buying up all the supplies at the all-time low, and then attacking to force the price upwards ... then sell those stocks.

This.

After all the whinage and crying that suiciding miners is no longer profitable I find it hard to believe that miners are being suicided to increase... profits.

Attacking a Mack isn't profitable.

What's profitable is buying up all the supplies at the all-time low, and then attacking to force the price upwards ... then sell those stocks.

I seem to recall at least room for 12 ice blocks so with bonuses & a single ice rig you will have to check it every 15 to 20 minutes & it can tank to ~60k eHP. But it may be more worthwihle just to multibox a ton of retrievers @ 20 million apiece

Keep in mind we weren't whining about it.

No.

So you are taking over NC. space because............

They attacked us.

I lolled.

I lolled.

I was gonna make the call on this one....

But I'll be danged if I am going to spend the next 5 hours linking the hundreds of Goons and FA "poor ganker", "Eve is DYING" poasts on the topic.

Interesting.

The only difference is now we have to use 2 catalysts. That's not really a big deal. I don't see why anyone would whine about that. The act of solo ganking itself isn't "profitable" anymore if that was what you are talking about.

Whining that they can't play solo in an MMORG. Hmmm... Sounds familiar.

They could always errr.... multibox.

Attacking a Mack isn't profitable.

What's profitable is buying up all the supplies at the all-time low, and then attacking to force the price upwards ... then sell those stocks.

Not invulnerable, just not cheap to do.

Touval, you are the most cognitively impaired poster in recent memory. Please stop posting. Think of the children. Think of the world they will have to grow up in, filled with your words. Stop posting for their sake.

who's your main?

I lolled.

Well at least you've proven you have no clue what's going on in nullsec with this post (Hint: the whole thing started with NCdot sieging our tech moons. This is punative.)

A goon.

Come get me.

Well at least you've proven you have no clue what's going on in nullsec with this post (Hint: the whole thing started with NCdot sieging our tech moons. This is punative.)

Touval, you are the most cognitively impaired poster in recent memory. Please stop posting.

Would appear Goonswarm is back to manipulating the Oxygen Isotope market (good on them, by the way.) Mackinaw killmails are rolling in. Volume the last two days has been nearly triple the norm. And prices are 1.5x higher than they were.

Prepare. Stockpile. Invest.

Will the prices head upwards to 1400 ISK per unit, as they did last interdiction?

I thought that with the miner buff, these ships were supposed to be more or less ungankable?

I seem to recall at least room for 12 ice blocks so with bonuses & a single ice rig you will have to check it every 15 to 20 minutes & it can tank to ~60k eHP. But it may be more worthwihle just to multibox a ton of retrievers @ 20 million apiece

As a diplomat, I don't like cleaning up my own messes.

No, just unprofitable to gank. And they are.

Please continue telling all of us about Effective Hit Points vs. Alpha.

some people never learn , as was predicted when the mining barges rebalance came out
If people AFK mine in their unprotected mack , that is up to them , nobody is to blame only the AFK miner

Have you ever mined? Even if you begin doing it while being completely awake, it is sooooo boring that you'll end up falling asleep anyway.

So let me get this straight.

Before the mining barges' improvements, it was the miners' fault if they were suicide-ganked, because they did not tank their ship. I can understand that and agree.
Now, after they had an improvement on their ships to tank better, and even if the rigs,low/med slots are used to tank, it is their fault if they die, because they mine AFK? Do note that whether their mackinaw is tanked or not, it still dies to 2 catalysts in 0.6.

Have you ever mined? Even if you begin doing it while being completely awake, it is sooooo boring that you'll end up falling asleep anyway.

The barge buff was not that necessary. The mining profession just needed to be less boring to entertain miners and force them to stay awake in front of their screen.

Would appear Goonswarm is back to manipulating the Oxygen Isotope market (good on them, by the way.) Mackinaw killmails are rolling in. Volume the last two days has been nearly triple the norm. And prices are 1.5x higher than they were.

Prepare. Stockpile. Invest.

Will the prices head upwards to 1400 ISK per unit, as they did last interdiction?

83, 447 EHP Skiff mining 30 Ice an hr says you might want to just enjoy the cheap fuel.

English translation, people will afk mine ice in multiboxed Procurors.

The truth is that even if they did, they wouldn't fit tanks, they would fit for yield/cargo and would die to a suicide gank, not to mention that the ore hold is too small to make it really viable.

36 minutes for 12 blocks of ice is a sizeable amount of time invested for the return even in a cheap barge like a Procuror.

Do note that whether their mackinaw is tanked or not, it still dies to 2 catalysts in 0.6.

Touval, you are the most cognitively impaired poster in recent memory. Please stop posting. Think of the children. Think of the world they will have to grow up in, filled with your words. Stop posting for their sake.

This.

After all the whinage and crying that suiciding miners is no longer profitable I find it hard to believe that miners are being suicided to increase... profits.

lets just get this straight

miners were whining until CCP freaking ears started bleeding and they buffed mining ships, selling it as "changing them so they all have their place"

There, there... Wipe those tears. Actually, don't!

/fills glass

Ahh, delicious.

If you want to fit for max yield, then you risk getting suicide ganked... The choice is yours... and CCP should not hold your hand and protect you anymore than they already have!!!

Thanks.

The gankers always say we are 'stupid' for not tanking 100%.

For me, it's RISK vs REWARD. Not stupidity.

And I will almost always fit for max yield.

...and not been blown up while mining in over 1yr, 8 months.

Those miners who do get exploded are AFK, period.

I'm sure somebody is just chomping at the bit to use locator agents to track you down and pop your cherry. Just because you posted that.

Just pointing out. They still dont tank their ships.

Thanks.

The gankers always say we are 'stupid' for not tanking 100%.

For me, it's RISK vs REWARD. Not stupidity.

And I will almost always fit for max yield.

...and not been blown up while mining in over 1yr, 8 months.

Those miners who do get exploded are AFK, period.

They didnt tank their barges for 8 months. What makes think they would give up their ma efficienty ships now?

Three more Catalyst dead. Loot scooped and resuming mining. Think I might go make a sandwich, yeah that sounds good.

Thanks.

The gankers always say we are 'stupid' for not tanking 100%.

For me, it's RISK vs REWARD. Not stupidity.

What I heard, they don't need to. CCP did it for them.

/me takes note of collusion between Goons and NC.

Is this a SAVE Highsec CTA?

Is Nulli coming?

Whoever said anythng about making a profit?

I can't wait for Bounties to be implementable on everyone......

Put a 50m bounty on an exhumer pilot, and it'll be plenty profitable enough to suicide gank them....

Oh, so we can just go around placing arbitrary bounties on everyone for free?

Neat.

A profit might be possible. Consider this:

gank every miner except your own, be the only one mining the resource. Profit?

So it might have been lucrative to just gank the miners and have a stockpile of the targeted resource already at hand, and then sell it at a higher price. The cost of ganking now might offset that, but the hull buff may have now required that the gankers harvest the resources themselves.

This is my theory or assumption. They might just be trying to see if it's possible.

Ofc, the simplest solution to make ganking exhumers profitable. Mine the resources and MAKE the gankmobile. Cost = 0

Pssst.....Don't forget to tank those exhumers tho', there's bad men out there who want to touch you.

Not sure if you're trolling or not, just because you mine your own minerals doesn't make them free, they're worth as much as someone is willing to pay for them.

Saw nine tornados on scan, aligned out. When they landed I warped off. Was immediately called a "f****** f**** coward!" in local. Please explain the amount of extreme rage these gankers have? Why are they so mad? Might be due to a couple of them smashing their face into my brick tanks fist seven times, but I thought this was just a game.

Saving the logs for now to milk them a bit longer before reporting the two highly upset gankers for their unkind words. Also having fun using a Kitsune with Gallente jammers to jam all these Catalysts the moment they go flashy.

I love this!

I'll argue this till the cows come home. There is no REAL cost to aquisition in a VR environment except time. Only a-retents pouring over little squares in a maths app think there is.

If you intend to calculate time in the aquisition then there are far more profitable ways to make isk and I've hammered this home a million times.

Gankers need to gank for fun and stop using any economic argument to justify it. Period.

PS: Besides, you're talking about mineral value at sale. Nothing actually has value until it is for sale. File that one in your economics folder under R for reality.

I shall refer you to the phenomenon known as opportunity cost

The value of the minerals you mine is not only determined by how much someone is willing to pay for them but by what else you could have been doing in the time it takes to mine them.

Tippia or Akita_T can explain it a lot better than I can

Seriously, they called you a *&^%$# coward because you flew away in your MINING VESSEL as they came to hit you with 9, read NINE battlecruisers?

YOU'RE a coward?

ROFLMAO... I'm laughing so hard I'm crying....

If they were to apply RL economics, ofc they can. So too could I.

And if I were to do so, I'd tell you to get a job, earn $45 in an hour, buy yourself 3 plex and make 1.8b IN ONE HOUR.

Any RL economic argument that wants to play "VR time as a cost" needs to include an RL equivalent which completely squashes ANY need to even play for isk at all.

>>>>> "what else you could have been doing in the time it takes to mine them"

Exactly what I'm saying.

Ganking should NOT be done nor can it be argued as requiring profit as the motivation. There is no need. Ever.

Ganking shouldn't be done for the profit?

Oh, I think the last freighter the goons popped would beg to differ...

If they were to apply RL economics, ofc they can. So too could I.

And if I were to do so, I'd tell you to get a job, earn $45 in an hour, buy yourself 3 plex and make 1.8b IN ONE HOUR.

Any RL economic argument that wants to play "VR time as a cost" needs to include an RL equivalent which completely squashes ANY need to even play for isk at all.

>>>>> "what else you could have been doing in the time it takes to mine them"

Exactly what I'm saying.

Ganking should NOT be done nor can it be argued as requiring profit as the motivation. There is no need. Ever.

Man, Marlona is still really mad about being banned from kugu by Mittens.

A job you say? $45 an hour you say? There's these things called economies, with few exceptions they're not in a good state globally. Where I live there are 1500 people going for every job that comes up, and believe me none of them are paying $45 an hour.

In real money terms (to me) $45 an hour is -ú28 an hour, I know very few people who earn even close to that.

I'm a specialist auto electrician by trade, I specialised in fitting optional entertainment systems into high end vehicles such as Bentley & Rolls Royce, as well as aftermarket electronics into cars that the average consumer can't fit their own stuff into because of technologies such as CANBUS and MOST, that trade is dead, nobody has the money anymore to purchase the stuff let alone pay for it to be fitted, long gone are the days when people would spend -ú10k on vehicle enhancements. I'm looking for a permanent job, I have paid good money to train new skills, the jobs that are out there have more applicants than they know what to do with. I'm currently doing casual work on building sites to keep a roof over my head and food in my belly, and that work is drying up.

Now talk to me about real life economics.

ICE procuror fits can AFK for about 30 minutes & have ~5X the eHP... will be interesting if they start popping up or if cheap retiervers replace the MACs in the ice fields

You heard or read Baltec Zim and Darth too?

But seems they can still gank ships. It's good news for them, bad for idiots.

We are teaching bad miners the difference between not profitable to gank and ungankable.

Go to belt, launch drones, turn on ice harvester and go do something else. 116,662 EHP. For added fun toss in Tengu shield bonuses to bring that up to 157,352 EHP. Welcome to AFK PvP.

Sure you won't be getting that amazing ice yield, but instead you will bask in the glory of ganker tears and after all, can you really put a price on those?

Thanks.

The gankers always say we are 'stupid' for not tanking 100%.

For me, it's RISK vs REWARD. Not stupidity.

And I will almost always fit for max yield.

...and not been blown up while mining in over 1yr, 8 months.

Those miners who do get exploded are AFK, period.

Saw nine tornados on scan, aligned out. When they landed I warped off. Was immediately called a "f****** f**** coward!" in local. Please explain the amount of extreme rage these gankers have? Why are they so mad? Might be due to a couple of them smashing their face into my brick tanks fist seven times, but I thought this was just a game.

Saving the logs for now to milk them a bit longer before reporting the two highly upset gankers for their unkind words. Also having fun using a Kitsune with Gallente jammers to jam all these Catalysts the moment they go flashy.

I love this!

We are teaching bad miners the difference between not profitable to gank and ungankable.

Thanks.

The gankers always say we are 'stupid' for not tanking 100%.

For me, it's RISK vs REWARD. Not stupidity.

And I will almost always fit for max yield.

...and not been blown up while mining in over 1yr, 8 months.

Those miners who do get exploded are AFK, period.

You could, you know, just send 'em an email.

English translation, people will afk mine ice in multiboxed Procurors.

The truth is that even if they did, they wouldn't fit tanks, they would fit for yield/cargo and would die to a suicide gank, not to mention that the ore hold is too small to make it really viable.

36 minutes for 12 blocks of ice is a sizeable amount of time invested for the return even in a cheap barge like a Procuror.

^ You should play some dramatic music

How do I mine ice without any mining skills trained?

PLEASE do this, and tell me what system you are in. Please oh please oh please.

So let me get this straight.

Before the mining barges' improvements, it was the miners' fault if they were suicide-ganked, because they did not tank their ship. I can understand that and agree.
Now, after they had an improvement on their ships to tank better, and even if the rigs,low/med slots are used to tank, it is their fault if they die, because they mine AFK? Do note that whether their mackinaw is tanked or not, it still dies to 2 catalysts in 0.6.

Have you ever mined? Even if you begin doing it while being completely awake, it is sooooo boring that you'll end up falling asleep anyway.

The barge buff was not that necessary. The mining profession just needed to be less boring to entertain miners and force them to stay awake in front of their screen.

Gun mining sir, explode the containing vessel, steal the ice

Question was rhetorical sir.

Also I heard an -A- dude was summarily kicked after he was suicide ganked in hisec while mining, funny eh?

Not done the the actual Skiff, but I have been using a tanked out Mackinaw. Skiff right now screams tank, so they will avoid it till last. As far as me informing you of the alt I am using, no. If for some reason I do lose the ship, I will post it here on the forums and give you a tiny battle report of what it took and anything else juicy like chat logs from what I already have been seeing when they fail to kill me.

My only suggestion is to keep ganking and keep hoping. So far for today and yesterday I have managed to cause the death of 4 Tornadoes and 16 Catalysts. Granted it is not much, but like I mentioned before, the rage and tears from the gankers has been more than worth it.

I am a bit out of the loop on how you guys went from claiming on the forums that the new mining barges were the result of too many miners crying because you were suicide ganking them, and thus claiming the mining barge tank buff was over the top. Yet here you are. Ganking again, when you claimed it was impossible/completely not worth it. But please carry on, this has been amusing. I would have to say the best part was when I went afk to see a sneak peak of the new James Bond movie, Skyfall and came back to see my ship was still alive (missing one drone, strange) and had 4 Catalyst kill mails.

P.S. Skyfall is bad ass.

I am a bit out of the loop on how you guys went from claiming on the forums that the new mining barges were the result of too many miners crying because you were suicide ganking them, and thus claiming the mining barge tank buff was over the top. Yet here you are. Ganking again, when you claimed it was impossible/completely not worth it. But please carry on, this has been amusing. I would have to say the best part was when I went afk to see a sneak peak of the new James Bond movie, Skyfall and came back to see my ship was still alive (missing one drone, strange) and had 4 Catalyst kill mails.

So far for today and yesterday I have managed to cause the death of 4 Tornadoes and 16 Catalysts. Granted it is not much, but like I mentioned before, the rage and tears from the gankers has been more than worth it.

Surprise surprise, Marlona Sky is making **** up. Even if you did use an alt, you could have done nothing more than tag along on the killmail for a small percentage of damage as Concord Police Commander did all the work.

Plus, I haven't seen any of this "ganker rage." I have seen a bunch of dead miners, though.

And really, she got in on the KM, even a "Concord" mail is a little tick against the ganker and a little tick for the gankee. It's wonderful stuff.

And no ganker rage??!! My dear fellow, where HAVE you been?

So let me get this straight.

Before the mining barges' improvements, it was the miners' fault if they were suicide-ganked, because they did not tank their ship. I can understand that and agree.
Now, after they had an improvement on their ships to tank better, and even if the rigs,low/med slots are used to tank, it is their fault if they die, because they mine AFK? Do note that whether their mackinaw is tanked or not, it still dies to 2 catalysts in 0.6.

Have you ever mined? Even if you begin doing it while being completely awake, it is sooooo boring that you'll end up falling asleep anyway.

The barge buff was not that necessary. The mining profession just needed to be less boring to entertain miners and force them to stay awake in front of their screen.

A profit might be possible. Consider this:

gank every miner except your own, be the only one mining the resource. Profit?

I'll argue this till the cows come home.

So exhumers are still vulnerable after that massive whinefest....

And to be honest, maybe I'm missing something, but I don't understand the specific gallente ice ganking.
The caldari ice cost more because of all the caldari high-sec towers for research. Won't that be more profitable to gank and sell?

Pointing out imbalances is not whining. Crying untill CCP gives you a pre tanked ship that does it all however...

Saw nine tornados on scan, aligned out. When they landed I warped off. Was immediately called a "f****** f**** coward!" in local. Please explain the amount of extreme rage these gankers have? Why are they so mad? Might be due to a couple of them smashing their face into my brick tanks fist seven times, but I thought this was just a game.

Saving the logs for now to milk them a bit longer before reporting the two highly upset gankers for their unkind words. Also having fun using a Kitsune with Gallente jammers to jam all these Catalysts the moment they go flashy.

I love this!

Perhaps the miners also felt that they were pointing out - imbalances.

......and the notion that just because you own stuff, it has no value (which is essentially what you're saying) is, shall we say, flawed.

I do not agree. Value is an intangible. What is given - in exchange - is tangible.

Pointing out imbalances is not whining. Crying untill CCP gives you a pre tanked ship that does it all however...

Killboard's green, go go go, amirite?

I couldn't find a single tornado death, in highsec, from Concord, in the CFC, anywhere on the killboards. Anywhere. Perhaps you could point me in the right direction by finding these tornadoes Marlona speaks of?

Why bother ganking for profit?

Please show me the ship which is "pre-tanked"

Procurer, Retriever, Covetor, Skiff, Mackinaw, Hulk.

Four of those can still be ganked profitably in high sec when max yield fit by a single cat. Oh and they all are max yield fit these days.

Procurer, Retriever, Covetor, Skiff, Mackinaw, Hulk.

Hmm, i dont see any major advantages on any t1/t2 cruiser/battlecruiser and ships you mentioned. in other words, every ship in eve is "pre--tanked" by your definition.

Please show me the ship which is "pre-tanked"

tbh most exhumer pilots deserve it.

You see no difference in base EHP between a mining vessel and a combat vessel.

How about we just give combat vessels the same mining yield as mining vessels and be done with it.

No you dont see a difference. CCP buffed their EHP because they were primitively cheap to gank. Even well fitted mackiaw was easily ganked by 2-3 catalysts and were profitable to gankers. What CCP did was just balance their EHP. They can be still profitable like some of l4 mission boats. You just have to search for expensive target.

[Mackinaw, Tough Cookie]
Damage Control II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II

Medium Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Hobgoblin II x5
Hobgoblin II x5

Here is the current Mackinaw setup I am using. You do need a +3% power grid implant for it to work. Also I picked up a +3% to shield amount. Toss in Tengu and Loki bonuses, have your shield hardeners preoverloaded, but not turned on. Mine ice until very upset gankers come for you, then turn on the hardeners. You now have 79,777 EHP with a 188m signature radius. If you don't have access to bonuses then you still have a solid 59,207 EHP. Once Concord has made short work of them, scoop the loot and return to station to drop off your ice, loot and repair your hardeners. Rinse, repeat, enjoy.

Most importantly, be sure to save any kind of local smack they dish at you in your notepad. As you can see from this very thread, even though they complain about miners not tanking their ships, when you do tank it, they still complain.

They used to have a base EHP that put them in the same class as heavy assault ships. How exactly was that not balanced?

christ stop cockblocking our party, not that they'd listen

christ stop cockblocking our party, not that they'd listen

I mentioned this a thousand times. Extremely low PowerGrid. While HAC could fit large tank extenders, miners couldnt.

Man, Marlona is still really mad about being banned from kugu by Mittens.

Which is why we asked for more fitting room, not more base EHP. Right now the Mack is unbalanced because of its base EHP.

If CCP had done this then a bunch of people would have posted various utility fits for the procurer and skiff and hurf-blurfed about combat barges.

If CCP had done this then a bunch of people would have posted various utility fits for the procurer and skiff and hurf-blurfed about combat barges. I understand that in your mind an intrinsic part of balance is maintaining a certain consistency in "ease to gank" a completely untanked ship of different types...but I question why you think anyone else, CCP or otherwise, would share that opinion. I certainly don't--noncombat ships are given less fitting flexibility to impede their ability to be fitted for combat, and therefore are 'balanced' with higher base EHP compared to combat ships. CCP has followed this plan for years--but for some reason intentionally made mining ships, compared to other industrials, extra fragile. I can guess that this reason was to make ganking mining bots easier, and have bots/afk miners be vulnerable. You guys started exploiting this fact to kill ATK miners, and CCP changed their philosophy, as one could have easily predicted.

I certainly can't stop you from continuining to hurf-blurf about this fictitious brand of balance, but rest assured that CCP that whatever option they chose, a different subset of forum-posters would complain about it, and that they planned on ignoring this specific group of complaints years before you even made them.

Its at this point I point out the the mack did get a buff to fitting room

This makes no sense.

Well, it actually happened, to a lesser degree than if CCP had vastly increased fitting room. So while I feel bad for you that the universe as it actually exists doesn't make sense to you, I don't think there's much I can do to mitigate this for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndWUlntJ58U

Tell me why anyone would look at this and think it was anything other than awesome.

So the mining ships get a major buff in EHP. Fitting expansion to mount a pretty decent tank. Ore holds so that one does not need to use rigs to expand them but considerable nonetheless.

And this still isn't enough?

Okay, I'm not going to bother trying to make sense out of you, then. vOv

Sorry, I thought this was another "mining ships are OP/why am I still getting ganked" thread.

Instead, it's a "swallow a dictionary and activate the double talk generator" thread.

Stupid me.

Sorry, I thought this was another "mining ships are OP/why am I still getting ganked" thread.

Instead, it's a "swallow a dictionary and activate the double talk generator" thread.

Stupid me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndWUlntJ58U

Tell me why anyone would look at this and think it was anything other than awesome.

Oh man, 100 dps

Watch as Touval Lysander suddenly goes silent on this particular topic.

Did not bother to read rest of post, answer is because profit can be made while ganking.

You seem to be laboring under a misapprehension, I would actually like it if Baltec's changes were implemented. I'm attempting to reason why there's not much chance CCP would ever do that. I enjoy mining, but I'm in a wormhole so personally Baltec's proposed solution is optimal for me. If you think I've swallowed a dictonary and am double talking, by all means, supply a better explanation for the way things are.

there's not much chance CCP would ever do that

Let me state this again for those that tend to spread misinformation.
A max yield fit Mack can be ganked in high sec by a single cat destroyer profitably.

And most Macks are max yield fit. I see no problem with this. Nothing needs to be changed.
Just quit complaining and get out there and gank them. If your gank fails it is because you are not doing the gank right.

Let me state this again for those that tend to spread misinformation.
A max yield fit Mack can be ganked in high sec by a single cat destroyer profitably.

You STILL posting on your 0.0 alt and not on your highsec FW, indy, mining alt.

I'm not a highsec ganker.... and I'll admit I occasionally mine in highsec on my indy alt....

It's 100% about risk vs reward. I fit a decent tank on my exhumer, and have never lost it despite half a dozen attempts on it (although I definitely would have if I didn't tank it!). If you can mine safely, without tanking it... good for you....

If you really accept the risk when NOT tanking your ship, then you won't whine and cry and complain about OP suicide gankers if you are ganked, because you'll realize it was your choices that enabled them to gank you!

Nope, it's gotta be a miner apparently (they want it solo and easymode). The only thing they haven't asked for yet is which miner, what belt and what time they would like him to be there.

How about just saying "I don't think there's much of a chance that CCP would ever do that" or is it your goal to clearly set yourself above the unwashed illiterate masses. Thank you for shutting off the double talk generator and regurgitating the dictionary.

A 1k DPS destroyer would be quite costly to employ in a suicide gank, so no, not really.

Or, wellGǪ yes, if you want to spread misinformation, saying that they can be ganked is a good one to start with.

This is a falsehood, those aren't appreciated here maybe you should go post on en24.

Nope it only takes 600dps to kill a max yield Mack in high sec.

SoGǪ how much damage would said destroyer be able to deliver in, say, 20 seconds?

I sure hope it's more than 20GÇô25kGǪ

This Mackinaw was killed by 2 Catalysts. The Mackinaw took a total of 8326 damage.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14907709