It is and always will remain a sandbox game. And in the sandbox there are always people who can't take it when someone throws sand at them. Bumping is part of the game. It is the exact same with can flipping and stuff like that. Don't want to get bumped in highsec? Don't afk mine or go to nullsec where afk miners are slaughtered for being afk. Or you could try to live with it.

it is considered to be harassment if you bump anyone for absolutely not reason.

Yes please do this. It turns bumping in to a zero effort activity.

WOW, I can't belive this thread took off like this.

Was just looking for some CCP input that they would consider looking into letting the bumpee fight back without getting his/her arms chopped off by Concord similar to the effects of can flipping. I am NOT suggesting any nerfs, buffs, bans, etc., just the ability to hit back.

Obviously the bumpers do not want this because they will lose their protection.

As a miner found out the hard way, Concord protects all bumpers.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14763810

This is what I am against.

Please stop!! You're ruining my diet.

I would also like to take this opportunity to reaffirm my commitment to the New Order of High Sec and James 315. This thread alone has paid back the investment I made into the Order and as a shareholder I couldn't be happier.

They listened.

On december 4th you'll be able to put a bounty on the bumpers. Problem solved.

Just don't cry about me putting a bounty on you so that james can blow you up instead of bumping you.

You guys should have been careful what you wished for.

Bounties do not allow bumpees to respond

quoted from a dev blog "Bounties have no effect on who can be attacked legally where"

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73446



unless i understand it incorrectly.

You undrestand incorrectly.

"attacked legally where" should only mean that I can't put a bounty on you and then be able to legally attack you. The person that places the bounty doesn't get a free pass to attack someone anywhere legally.

I put bounty on you, you're still not legal to me, but you're legal to everyone else.


They chose a vague way to say you can't use it to generate legal kills for yourself.





PS: But maybe I'm wrong. They don't say anywhere that bounties can't be collected anywhere, and they made it so that blowing up the ship counts towards bounties. I'm assuming that they aren't restricting it to low and null or just null; that would be pointless and wouldn't actually make this bounty system anymore useful than the current one.

Possibly, but we'll see soon enough.

I would figure you for sure would want to allow bumpees being able to fight back. I would assume that alot, like myself, would probably lose their ill fitted ship to more experienced pvp players.

Ever notice that even for such a large MMORPG, most people assume that they are the only one who matters in the game? I always get a laugh reading the blogs and local after a good bump fleet. "you're breaking my rights as a high-sec miner" stories tend to be my favorite. I remember back when can-flipping really got popular. Mission runners around major hubs used to cry over that. Granted, some things about flipping have been changed and tweeked, but it is still possible, and with the new changes, is going to invite all the pvp we wished we got before. The same thing applies about miners crying about bumping now. The only reason you guys are upset is because you haven't figured out a solution that you're actually willing to do to avoid being bumped. Now I also saw earlier somebody mentioning that AFK mining is their right. I'll agree, it is your right, but it is also MY right to move you away from that ice that you thought you were going to be shooting at for the next hour without checking. Remember the story from a few months back about the guy who was parking gila's in a static plex site's rooms and letting his drones kill npc's all day? He ended up making a killing doing that over a prolonged period of time, but it was considered an exploit due to him not having to have any interation with the game for hours at a time. If he wasn't allowed to make his isk AFK, what gives miners any more right? Bumping is fine as is, it affords the opportunity for individuals like James315 and myself to even the odds and make you, the afk miner, actually play the game for once.

The New Order of Highsec supporter, enforcer, and shareholder.

With all the isk you make from afk mining, you could easily fund a mercenary corp that will wardec and hunt the bumpers. James 514 and his minions are silly, but I think you people deserve what they do. Use your brain.

Have u actually read any of my posts ?

How can I fight back if I am AFK ? Bump away, just allow me to fight u without Concord cutting me down.

Have u actually read any of my posts ?

How can I fight back if I am AFK ? Bump away, just allow me to fight u without Concord cutting me down.

That makes me wonder why there was never a mechanic put in to place that allowed people to duel in HS.

I think you are onto something. A fight club for grudge matches or whatever. Advertise all over and charge others for the location as a spectator.

Probably wouldn't work.