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Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
629
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Posted - 2012.10.26 03:30:00 -
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Luc Chastot wrote:With all the isk you make from afk mining, you could easily fund a mercenary corp that will wardec and hunt the bumpers. James 514 and his minions are silly, but I think you people deserve what they do. Use your brain. Miners all = AFK....
/pants - on - head...
Interdict Hi-Sec - it's the only way to be sure... |

Zkaor
HATRON 4
2
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Posted - 2012.10.26 03:31:00 -
[362] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:If I find out where OP is hiding, I'll bump his ass good.
Sure, come on over. Join the party. |

Muestereate
Two Geezers in Space
73
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Posted - 2012.10.26 03:33:00 -
[363] - Quote
So how do you do this bumping 23/7 get a mining macro and set it up to approach barges instead of asteroids? Anything else and is this legit since your not mining or rmting? |

Zkaor
HATRON 4
2
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Posted - 2012.10.26 03:37:00 -
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[quote=Muestereate]So how do you do this bumping 23/7?
Your point ? |

Willy Bryan
Spanked and Straddled
0
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Posted - 2012.10.26 03:37:00 -
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Muestereate wrote:So how do you do this bumping 23/7? Get a mining macro and set it up to approach barges instead of asteroids? Anything else and is this legit since your not mining or rmting?
Well considering most decent bump ships go too fast to allow the use of the approach function, that would be a rather useless bot.
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Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
386
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Posted - 2012.10.26 03:57:00 -
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That's what I thought the bounty system was going to use.
Which should mean that I could put a bounty on a miner, and my friends could blow the miner up in high sec by accepting the bounty; which would engage a LE flag between them and the miner.
I was assuming you would initiate all this when you actually saw the person in high sec space. Low and null you would just shoot them anyways.
Anywyas, I won't be happy unless miners can put bounties on bumpers to get them blown up in high sec and I can do the same to miners. |

Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1749
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Posted - 2012.10.26 04:06:00 -
[367] - Quote
collide-able ships.
/thread
Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk! |

Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
82
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Posted - 2012.10.26 07:39:00 -
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Asuka Solo wrote:collide-able ships.
/thread
Agreed. Considering that your average mining ship has something like 20x the mass of the bumper, it would be hilarious to watch miners complain about having to pick the debris of those annoying bumpers out of their grill all the time. Freighters even moreso. It would be like trying to ram a supertanker with a canoe. Pretty obvious who would win that encounter. EvE Forum Bingo |

Morrigan LeSante
The Lost and Forgotten Troopers
24
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Posted - 2012.10.26 07:44:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:That's what I thought the bounty system was going to use. Which should mean that I could put a bounty on a miner, and my friends could blow the miner up in high sec by accepting the bounty; which would engage a LE flag between them and the miner. I was assuming you would initiate all this when you actually saw the person in high sec space. Low and null you would just shoot them anyways. Anywyas, I won't be happy unless miners can put bounties on bumpers to get them blown up in high sec and I can do the same to miners.
I was 99.9% sure from when I read it that a bounty doesn't create the ability to attack the target, I think the aim was to use the transferable kill rights in conjunction with it. i.e. an attack on a 'bounty target', without the legal 'ok' will leave you in a pod in high sec. If the bounty setter had kill rights and opened them, you can take them and attack freely.
However, if the bounty is high enough, a suicide gank on a miner would probably pay out if my reading is correct. |

Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
267
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Posted - 2012.10.26 07:50:00 -
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Brego Tralowski wrote:Zkaor wrote:Will someone at CCP please allow miners defend (destroy) the bumpers ship without Concord intervention. As it is now all miners hands are tied and MUST submit to their extorsion tactics with no means of defense.
P.S. If this should be posted elsewhere please let me know...thanks Will someone at CCP please just do all my mining for me so i can sit in station and spin my ship.........erm......etc!
Will someone at CCP just run my account 23.5/7? I got better things to do than play EVE as I'm a disabled war veteran and enjoy fishing on my free time. |

Le Badass
The Grindmonkeys
1
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Posted - 2012.10.26 07:54:00 -
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I haven't read the entire thread or witnessed/tried bumping myself, but I can't help thinking:
Can't you just orbit the asteroid? If you jet can mine, equip a tractor beam and drag the thing behind you..
As I recall, bumping a moving ship is much harder, plus the ship will automatically try to get back into orbit, thus staying in mining laser range. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Mahatma Cote Temporal Research
1734
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Posted - 2012.10.26 08:20:00 -
[372] - Quote
Katran Luftschreck wrote:Asuka Solo wrote:collide-able ships.
/thread
Agreed. Considering that your average mining ship has something like 20x the mass of the bumper, it would be hilarious to watch miners complain about having to pick the debris of those annoying bumpers out of their grill all the time. Freighters even moreso. It would be like trying to ram a supertanker with a canoe. Pretty obvious who would win that encounter.
The USS Cole would like to have a word with you, approximately 9000 tonnes of Arleigh Burke-class Destroyer had a hole the size of a car blown in it by a speedboat carrying approx 2-300kg of explosive. If miners and freighter pilots get realistic collision mechanincs, then the bumpers and gankers should be able to rig their ships to explode on impact Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Muestereate
Two Geezers in Space
73
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Posted - 2012.10.26 08:40:00 -
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Willy Bryan wrote:Muestereate wrote:So how do you do this bumping 23/7? Get a mining macro and set it up to approach barges instead of asteroids? Anything else and is this legit since your not mining or rmting? Well considering most decent bump ships go too fast to allow the use of the approach function, that would be a rather useless bot.
Why couldn't you use an approach function on a fast ship? If you need some space just warp into the belt further out. I'm sure they can activate a module, set a short cycle time and they would unlock and go to the next belt instead of just following at slow speed. Yes, I guess you'd have to harvest tears on the forum or the market instead of in the field. I agree useless but people are doing it anyway. Since when did anything have to make sense or be useful :)
Miners need to start ganking these ships to see if pods start flying around. It would be worth the loss just to see people bumping with their pods. Then they could be turned in if they are macroing, another useless activity I'll admit. |

Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
258
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Posted - 2012.10.26 08:45:00 -
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Zkaor wrote:Will someone at CCP please allow miners defend (destroy) the bumpers ship without Concord intervention. As it is now all miners hands are tied and MUST submit to their extorsion tactics with no means of defense.
P.S. If this should be posted elsewhere please let me know...thanks
It's called orbiting. There just isn't anything intresting on the front page of the GD anymore. Yawn! |

Jonah Gravenstein
Mahatma Cote Temporal Research
1736
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Posted - 2012.10.26 08:49:00 -
[375] - Quote
Acac Sunflyier wrote:Zkaor wrote:Will someone at CCP please allow miners defend (destroy) the bumpers ship without Concord intervention. As it is now all miners hands are tied and MUST submit to their extorsion tactics with no means of defense.
P.S. If this should be posted elsewhere please let me know...thanks It's called orbiting.
Keep spreading that misinformation. Orbiting merely makes it more of a challenge for the bumpers, it does not make you immune to a bump from someone who knows what they're doing.
Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10129
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Posted - 2012.10.26 09:10:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Keep spreading that misinformation. Orbiting merely makes it more of a challenge for the bumpers, it does not make you immune to a bump from someone who knows what they're doing. Ah, so it's the old miner standby of GÇ£defend Gëí immuneGÇ¥ GÇö if something does work 100% it is impossible and pointless. 
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Mahatma Cote Temporal Research
1736
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Posted - 2012.10.26 09:14:00 -
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Some are under the impression that orbiting makes them completely immune to bumping, just clearing up a misconception 
As far as I'm concerned an orbiting miner is more of a challenge and therefore more fun to try and bump. Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10130
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Posted - 2012.10.26 09:25:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Some are under the impression that orbiting makes them completely immune to bumping, just clearing up a misconception  As far as I'm concerned an orbiting miner is more of a challenge and therefore more fun to try and bump. Fair enough. It just sounded eerily reminiscent of the old GÇ£waah, tanking a Hulk is meaningless because it doesn't make it invulnerableGÇ¥ salt-water fountain.
At the same time, it might be worth pointing out that an orbiting miner has given an on-going instruction to his ship, so even after a bump, it'll return back to its intended position on its own accordGǪ
GǪwith a bit of luck, it'll even do so before the cycle ends. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Mahatma Cote Temporal Research
1736
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Posted - 2012.10.26 09:32:00 -
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Yeah I should really have clarified that, on a second reading it is indeed very reminiscent of the "waahh" mentality. My bad.
As you say an orbiting barge will eventually make it's way back to the ice and maybe even before the cycle finishes, but if it gets bumped hard and often enough the cycle will prematurely fail when the targeted ice falls outside of range.
It looks like James315 has revived bumping as a saltwater fountain (excellent simile BTW Tippia, I'm so stealing that) Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
867
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Posted - 2012.10.26 12:01:00 -
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Just bump bumpers. It's easy, it's funny and you can collect delicious raging in local.
You can also ask him 10M to stop bumping, just pick the good tool brb |

Phoenix Bibbs
Astra Enterprises Happy Endings
16
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Posted - 2012.10.26 14:33:00 -
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Tali Ambraelle wrote:Andski wrote:Tali Ambraelle wrote:It doesn't help. Why would more expensive losses equate to more meaningful to everyone? It just means people would be MORE risk averse you twit. You raise the barrier of entry, they dont want to risk loosing the ship, they end up not playing OR paying, subscriptions go down, and gg Eve. GG free expansions, GG more content, expanding company, more gameplay, more fixed, more ANYTHING. because an erebus hull, which represents ~40,000 max-yield hulk hours of veldspar mining for the trit requirements alone, being so easily replaced, is somehow good for the game? Would you remember what I said about barrier of entry? I don't care about your NAP alliances. I care about the new people coming in and trying to build up. You build whatever the hell you want, I just don't want to see Jonny Newbie play three weeks, find it impossible to afford a damn cruiser, and then quit.
Maybe the noobs should stay in frigs longer? If new players (myself included at the time) got over this bigger is better mentality then they'd actually be able to skill up their core skills instead of training for a Titan after being in the game for 2 hours.
Give me a choice of any ship in the game to fly and I'll take a Navy Issue Caracal or an Interceptor over some massive DPS battleship any day. So as a player who has capital skills who prefers a cruiser I don't think it'll hurt little Johnny to sit in a frig for a few extra weeks.
So in reality, if prices go up the noobs will stay in smaller ships for longer which in turn will force them to skill up their core navigation/weaponry skills and in the end they'll end up better pilots. HUZZAH, the New Order has found another way to continue to improve the game. We are now providing important learning opportunities for new players across New Eden.
ALL HAIL THE NEW ORDER, ALL HAIL THE CODE, ALL HAIL JAMES 315 THE SAVIOR AND PROTECTOR OF HIGH SEC. |

Tali Ambraelle
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
114
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Posted - 2012.10.26 14:35:00 -
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You clearly have no idea how this game works. Also not everyone wants to be in small ships. Not everyone is you.
Also also James is not a "savior" of highsec. He is an undesirable, much like you. |

Raziel Walker
Grey Templars Fidelas Constans
1
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Posted - 2012.10.26 14:37:00 -
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I only started (afk) mining after being pointed at minerbumping.
James does not like people afk mining and decided to take action against them. If you are a miner and don't like being bumped YOU can take action against him and his agents. You can pay some minor blackmail fee. Or you can move to another system. Or you can suicide gank bumpers. Or you can find other ways to mine. Or you can try to reduce mining cycles lost by more active piloting.
James adds content to the game. I applaud his initiative. I admit I don't know how I would respond if I was targeted but I would probably just take the loss in mining yield for granted and not pay the fee even though it would be the smart thing to do from an economical point of view. |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2665
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Posted - 2012.10.26 14:42:00 -
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CCP has been asked in the past to make mining more of a mini-game, but it appears the community has taken care of the issue for them. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |

Luc Chastot
Moira. Villore Accords
44
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Posted - 2012.10.26 15:00:00 -
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Zkaor wrote:Luc Chastot wrote:With all the isk you make from afk mining, you could easily fund a mercenary corp that will wardec and hunt the bumpers. James 514 and his minions are silly, but I think you people deserve what they do. Use your brain. You accuse me of somthing I did not do ... AFK mining.
You accuse me of something I did not do ... accusing only you of afk mining. "You" can also be plural.
If you want to fight them, then why have you not wardec-ed them? Why must CCP treat you different/better? We're all paying this game (in one way or another).
HTFU or STFU. Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot. |

Tali Ambraelle
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
114
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Posted - 2012.10.26 15:17:00 -
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Luc Chastot wrote:Zkaor wrote:Luc Chastot wrote:With all the isk you make from afk mining, you could easily fund a mercenary corp that will wardec and hunt the bumpers. James 514 and his minions are silly, but I think you people deserve what they do. Use your brain. You accuse me of somthing I did not do ... AFK mining. You accuse me of something I did not do ... accusing only you of afk mining. "You" can also be plural. If you want to fight them, then why have you not wardec-ed them? Why must CCP treat you different/better? We're all paying this game (in one way or another). HTFU or STFU.
Because they're spread out between a handful of corps and a the rest NPC corps. It is not financially feasible to simply "htfu" and dec them, as 315 has spread his 'forces' out to ensure their safety. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5332
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Posted - 2012.10.26 15:22:00 -
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NPC alt posters are all belligerent undesirables. This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Federation posting cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online posting.
fofofofofo |

Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
323
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Posted - 2012.10.26 15:25:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash wrote:You can defend against anyone in roughly 80% of the universe. It is your fault for staying in the part that does not allow you to do so.
Screw the like button, ccp we need a "this guy wins eve" button.
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TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc
445
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Posted - 2012.10.26 16:03:00 -
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Tali Ambraelle wrote:You clearly have no idea how this game works. Also not everyone wants to be in small ships. Not everyone is you. Also also James is not a "savior" of highsec. He is an undesirable, much like you.
James is playing the game the way it was meant to be played, unlike afk miners and botters. In fact, emergent gameplay pioneers are the epitome of desirable, as they help demonstrate the possibilities in EVE online. Things like hulkageddon and burn jita are what make EVE famous, not undesirables such as yourself, who do nothing but f1 space rocks 23/7 |

Tali Ambraelle
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
115
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Posted - 2012.10.26 16:06:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:Tali Ambraelle wrote:You clearly have no idea how this game works. Also not everyone wants to be in small ships. Not everyone is you. Also also James is not a "savior" of highsec. He is an undesirable, much like you. James is playing the game the way it was meant to be played, unlike afk miners and botters. In fact, emergent gameplay pioneers are the epitome of desirable, as they help demonstrate the possibilities in EVE online. Things like hulkageddon and burn jita are what make EVE famous, not undesirables such as yourself, who do nothing but f1 space rocks 23/7
I'd agree if he only targeted bots. No one likes bots. I've seen him target actively non-bot, non-afk players. That's where I take my issues. Also his grandiose claims of being elected Protector of etc etc when he...really isn't protecting anything.
You and other undesirable belligerents are interrupting EULA sanctioned and legitimate game play for active miners. |
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