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Jonah Gravenstein
Mahatma Cote Temporal Research
1692
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Posted - 2012.10.24 18:08:00 -
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Elinarien wrote:Just have an alt in a gank-fit catalyst standing by. That'll surprise the bumber & no doubt harvest some very tasty tears.
Nope, the bumper & friends will just get on the Concord killmail when the catalyst pilot goes global, a gank catalyst probably costs more than a bumping cruiser and won't get an insurance payout, the bumper will if the ship is insured which they usually are.
Where are your tears now? Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

baltec1
Bat Country
2543
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Posted - 2012.10.24 18:08:00 -
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Zkaor wrote:Not afk mining, doing laps around the item being mined does not work and W.O.W.?
My issue is not with the act of bumping but not being able to respond in a way other than pay or leave. To me this has been exploited enough and needs to be fixed.
And here is the next demand after they made ganking unprofitable.
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Kobal81
14th Legion Eternal Evocations
19
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Posted - 2012.10.24 18:10:00 -
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Zkaor wrote:Will someone at CCP please allow miners defend (destroy) the bumpers ship without Concord intervention. As it is now all miners hands are tied and MUST submit to their extorsion tactics with no means of defense.
P.S. If this should be posted elsewhere please let me know...thanks
AOE Doomsday |

Vanyr Andrard
Foo Holdings Free 2 Play
13
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Posted - 2012.10.24 18:10:00 -
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Sad Bro wrote:Won't anyone think about the asteroids? One day asteroids are going to stop appearing from thin air and then what will we do? We are a society dependent on minerals and when the asteroids are gone, so too will be the minerals. We must consider alternative energy solutions. Quickly, CCP, implement corn farming in PI so I can refine T2 ethanol.
"In the past, scientists shared their concerns about an overall reduction in the supply of raw resources, but in recent times, the discovery of additional ore in unknown sectors of space has alleviated this anxiety. There are some experts who have maintained all along, however, that the ongoing excavations on the frontiers of nullsec, where new belts are still being uncovered each day, has provided more than enough incoming ore to satisfy the industrialists of New Eden. "
sorry duder, the experts have spoken. |

Tali Ambraelle
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
90
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Posted - 2012.10.24 18:11:00 -
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James 315 wrote:1. In what way am I an "undesirable"? You interfere with game play of other individuals and ruin the product they paid for.
Quote:2. Why is your opinion about my desirability more important than others'? Because many, many others find you as a belligerent undesirable. I merely echo it.
Quote:3. Why should I get a ban if I do not violate the EULA? Miners consider it an exploit as you interfere with what they do at no consequence to you, at all.
Quote:4. How am I interrupting others' game play by improving it? You are not improving mining, you are preventing their mining gameplay
Quote:5. Is it "game play" if they're AFK? Yes.
:)
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
1057
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Posted - 2012.10.24 18:11:00 -
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Zkaor wrote:Will someone at CCP please allow miners defend (destroy) the bumpers ship without Concord intervention. As it is now all miners hands are tied and MUST submit to their extorsion tactics with no means of defense. Have you considered moving to another system or region?
Or using a pair of webifiers? [Industrials work too.]
[Scorpion, 2x Quad Webber] Armor Explosive Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II
Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II
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De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade Intrepid Crossing
432
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Posted - 2012.10.24 18:12:00 -
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James 315 wrote:Tali Ambraelle wrote:Don't care. Let them mine in high sec. James is an undesirable deserving of ban for interrupting paying customers' game play. Is this directed at me? If so, I have a few questions. 1. In what way am I an "undesirable"? 2. Why is your opinion about my desirability more important than others'? 3. Why should I get a ban if I do not violate the EULA? 4. How am I interrupting others' game play by improving it? 5. Is it "game play" if they're AFK? Thanks! 
James, while I don't disagree with your activities, let me try and answer your questions from their point of view.
1. In what way am I an "undesirable"? You're annoying other people by bumping their ships.
2. Why is your opinion about my desirability more important than others'? She's, apparently, one of the ones you annoyed.
3. Why should I get a ban if I do not violate the EULA? See number 1, paying customers, blah blah blah.
4. How am I interrupting others' game play by improving it? They're annoyed and entitled. All logic ends at that point.
5. Is it "game play" if they're AFK? Of course it is - they're logged in aren't they? Besides, annoyed and entitled people don't really have time for your questions.
I hope you found this exposition on their concerns illuminating and that you will allow it to influence your future activities appropriately. Unsub or don't.-á I don't care what your reasons are, and neither does anyone else.-á Just click the button and go away - or don't. |

Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
367
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Posted - 2012.10.24 18:15:00 -
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There's a suggestion in another thread to allow people to blow up the asteroids and be flagged for FFA pvp for 15 min.
I would support this to help save miners from bumpers. |

Vanyr Andrard
Foo Holdings Free 2 Play
13
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Posted - 2012.10.24 18:16:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Zkaor wrote:Not afk mining, doing laps around the item being mined does not work and W.O.W.?
My issue is not with the act of bumping but not being able to respond in a way other than pay or leave. To me this has been exploited enough and needs to be fixed. And here is the next demand after they made ganking unprofitable.
Ganking unprofitability has backfired on miners, it's not profitable to gank bumpers, leaving no recourse. I have a new solution.
Let us mine from the hull of bumpers' ships as they bump and grind. low sec ore< null sec ore < high sec ore <<< bumper ore.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Mahatma Cote Temporal Research
1692
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Posted - 2012.10.24 18:16:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Zkaor wrote:Will someone at CCP please allow miners defend (destroy) the bumpers ship without Concord intervention. As it is now all miners hands are tied and MUST submit to their extorsion tactics with no means of defense. Have you considered moving to another system or region? Or using a pair of webifiers? [Scorpion, 2x Quad Webber] Armor Explosive Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Large Trimark Armor Pump I Large Trimark Armor Pump I Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Interesting wrinkle, would the webs be used on the hulks to prevent them moving too far too fast? Can be counteracted by moving the webber out of range the same way Orcas can be moved via bumping with a MWD Machariel.
Or would they be used on the would be bumper to slow them down? I can see amusing & expensive consequences if someone tries to do that. Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Vanyr Andrard
Foo Holdings Free 2 Play
13
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Posted - 2012.10.24 18:19:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Zkaor wrote:Will someone at CCP please allow miners defend (destroy) the bumpers ship without Concord intervention. As it is now all miners hands are tied and MUST submit to their extorsion tactics with no means of defense. Have you considered moving to another system or region? Or using a pair of webifiers? [Industrials work too.] [Scorpion, 2x Quad Webber] Armor Explosive Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Large Trimark Armor Pump I Large Trimark Armor Pump I Large Trimark Armor Pump I
webifiers are exactly the reason why highsec bumping seems like a problem. webifiers and bumping are two main ways to affect the speed of a hostile ship. webifiers get you concorded in highsec...bumping doesn't. So, your post, while failing in its aims, at least brings up this central inconsistency. If ccp made hostile webifying legal in highsec, I'd cease my opposition to hisec bumping, actually. It would simultaneously remove the inconsistency while providing a means of defense. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4969
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Posted - 2012.10.24 18:21:00 -
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Zkaor wrote:Will someone at CCP please allow miners defend (destroy) the bumpers ship without Concord intervention. As it is now all miners hands are tied and MUST submit to their extorsion tactics with no means of defense.
P.S. If this should be posted elsewhere please let me know...thanks
You can suicide gank them
After all there are no consequences for doing this, right? MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4969
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Posted - 2012.10.24 18:22:00 -
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Vanyr Andrard wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:Zkaor wrote:Will someone at CCP please allow miners defend (destroy) the bumpers ship without Concord intervention. As it is now all miners hands are tied and MUST submit to their extorsion tactics with no means of defense. Have you considered moving to another system or region? Or using a pair of webifiers? [Industrials work too.] [Scorpion, 2x Quad Webber] Armor Explosive Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Large Trimark Armor Pump I Large Trimark Armor Pump I Large Trimark Armor Pump I webifiers are exactly the reason why highsec bumping seems like a problem. webifiers and bumping are two main ways to affect the speed of a hostile ship. webifiers get you concorded in highsec...bumping doesn't. So, your post, while failing in its aims, at least brings up this central inconsistency. If ccp made hostile webifying legal in highsec, I'd cease my opposition to hisec bumping, actually. It would simultaneously remove the inconsistency while providing a means of defense.
Oh dear well you'd better join a corp then MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |

James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp
3019
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Posted - 2012.10.24 18:23:00 -
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In all seriousness though, there are plenty of ways to defend against bumpers. Go mine in low/null and shoot them. 
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Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
367
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Posted - 2012.10.24 18:23:00 -
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Let us blow up the asteroids and get a suspect flag, people would stop bumping then. |

Vanyr Andrard
Foo Holdings Free 2 Play
13
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Posted - 2012.10.24 18:23:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Zkaor wrote:Will someone at CCP please allow miners defend (destroy) the bumpers ship without Concord intervention. As it is now all miners hands are tied and MUST submit to their extorsion tactics with no means of defense.
P.S. If this should be posted elsewhere please let me know...thanks You can suicide gank them After all there are no consequences for doing this, right?
There's no risk. But there are known consequences,also known as 'costs'.
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Vanyr Andrard
Foo Holdings Free 2 Play
13
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Posted - 2012.10.24 18:24:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Vanyr Andrard wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:Zkaor wrote:Will someone at CCP please allow miners defend (destroy) the bumpers ship without Concord intervention. As it is now all miners hands are tied and MUST submit to their extorsion tactics with no means of defense. Have you considered moving to another system or region? Or using a pair of webifiers? [Industrials work too.] [Scorpion, 2x Quad Webber] Armor Explosive Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Large Trimark Armor Pump I Large Trimark Armor Pump I Large Trimark Armor Pump I webifiers are exactly the reason why highsec bumping seems like a problem. webifiers and bumping are two main ways to affect the speed of a hostile ship. webifiers get you concorded in highsec...bumping doesn't. So, your post, while failing in its aims, at least brings up this central inconsistency. If ccp made hostile webifying legal in highsec, I'd cease my opposition to hisec bumping, actually. It would simultaneously remove the inconsistency while providing a means of defense. Oh dear well you'd better join a corp then
I'm in a corp?
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4969
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Posted - 2012.10.24 18:24:00 -
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Vanyr Andrard wrote:Malcanis wrote:Zkaor wrote:Will someone at CCP please allow miners defend (destroy) the bumpers ship without Concord intervention. As it is now all miners hands are tied and MUST submit to their extorsion tactics with no means of defense.
P.S. If this should be posted elsewhere please let me know...thanks You can suicide gank them After all there are no consequences for doing this, right? There's no risk. But there are known consequences,also known as 'costs'.
Well no actually I agree that bumping someone in hi-sec should be a concordokken offence
BRB setting up my salvaging alt on Jita 4-4 undock
OK GO! MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |

Elinarien
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.10.24 18:25:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Elinarien wrote:Just have an alt in a gank-fit catalyst standing by. That'll surprise the bumber & no doubt harvest some very tasty tears. Nope, the bumper & friends will just get on the Concord killmail when the catalyst pilot goes global, a gank catalyst probably costs more than a bumping cruiser and won't get an insurance payout, the bumper will if the ship is insured which they usually are. Where are your tears now?
having the satisfaction of dealing with others in the way that the game is meant to be played rather than hiding behind high-sec security mechanics. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4969
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Posted - 2012.10.24 18:25:00 -
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Vanyr Andrard wrote:Malcanis wrote:Vanyr Andrard wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:Zkaor wrote:Will someone at CCP please allow miners defend (destroy) the bumpers ship without Concord intervention. As it is now all miners hands are tied and MUST submit to their extorsion tactics with no means of defense. Have you considered moving to another system or region? Or using a pair of webifiers? [Industrials work too.] [Scorpion, 2x Quad Webber] Armor Explosive Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Large Trimark Armor Pump I Large Trimark Armor Pump I Large Trimark Armor Pump I webifiers are exactly the reason why highsec bumping seems like a problem. webifiers and bumping are two main ways to affect the speed of a hostile ship. webifiers get you concorded in highsec...bumping doesn't. So, your post, while failing in its aims, at least brings up this central inconsistency. If ccp made hostile webifying legal in highsec, I'd cease my opposition to hisec bumping, actually. It would simultaneously remove the inconsistency while providing a means of defense. Oh dear well you'd better join a corp then I'm in a corp?
Well then web away! Aggressing a corpmate isn't a CONCORD offence.
(You knew that, right?) MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |

Tali Ambraelle
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
90
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Posted - 2012.10.24 18:25:00 -
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James 315 wrote:In all seriousness though, there are plenty of ways to defend against bumpers. Go mine in low/null and shoot them. 
In all seriousness though, no. They don't want to because they don't want to be interrupted in THEIR game play style. Whether shooting or bumping. Your logic is wrong.  |

James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp
3019
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Posted - 2012.10.24 18:27:00 -
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Tali Ambraelle wrote:James 315 wrote:In all seriousness though, there are plenty of ways to defend against bumpers. Go mine in low/null and shoot them.  In all seriousness though, no. They don't want to because they don't want to be interrupted in THEIR game play style. Whether shooting or bumping. Your logic is wrong.  Why should my game play style be interrupted then, pray tell? 
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Vanyr Andrard
Foo Holdings Free 2 Play
14
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Posted - 2012.10.24 18:28:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:
Well then web away! Aggressing a corpmate isn't a CONCORD offence.
(You knew that, right?)
How do i simultaneously join the corp of every bumper in existence, assuming they agree to it?
(you knew that was impossible already, right?)
((did you miss the specification of 'hostile webifying', or the parellelism between bumping and webifying implying webifying noncorpmates?)) |

Alice Saki
14865
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Posted - 2012.10.24 18:28:00 -
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Wow. Funny Website ^_^ Scottish Interweb Spaceshippy Person, Very Easily Confused. I like to show my Love by Smashing people in the face with a big Hammer.
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Tali Ambraelle
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
90
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Posted - 2012.10.24 18:29:00 -
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James 315 wrote:Tali Ambraelle wrote:James 315 wrote:In all seriousness though, there are plenty of ways to defend against bumpers. Go mine in low/null and shoot them.  In all seriousness though, no. They don't want to because they don't want to be interrupted in THEIR game play style. Whether shooting or bumping. Your logic is wrong.  Why should my game play style be interrupted then, pray tell? 
Because your game play style was not being interrupted by miners. You're simply annoying people. That's not game play, that's undesirable behavior.  |

Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
368
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Posted - 2012.10.24 18:31:00 -
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James 315 wrote:Tali Ambraelle wrote:James 315 wrote:In all seriousness though, there are plenty of ways to defend against bumpers. Go mine in low/null and shoot them.  In all seriousness though, no. They don't want to because they don't want to be interrupted in THEIR game play style. Whether shooting or bumping. Your logic is wrong.  Why should my game play style be interrupted then, pray tell?  If CCP let you blow up asteroids with the same rules as can flipping, would you guys do that instead of bumping miners? |

Vanyr Andrard
Foo Holdings Free 2 Play
14
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Posted - 2012.10.24 18:31:00 -
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James 315 wrote:In all seriousness though, there are plenty of ways to defend against bumpers. Go mine in low/null and shoot them. 
I tried that a few times, but you guys only bump in high sec  |

Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
368
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Posted - 2012.10.24 18:33:00 -
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Tali Ambraelle wrote:James 315 wrote:Tali Ambraelle wrote:James 315 wrote:In all seriousness though, there are plenty of ways to defend against bumpers. Go mine in low/null and shoot them.  In all seriousness though, no. They don't want to because they don't want to be interrupted in THEIR game play style. Whether shooting or bumping. Your logic is wrong.  Why should my game play style be interrupted then, pray tell?  Because your game play style was not being interrupted by miners. You're simply annoying people. That's not game play, that's undesirable behavior. 
A flood of low end minerals, keeping high sec prices down, is undesirable. James is helping to curb an economic problem that exists in New Eden. It's just unfortunate that he's not able to have a larger impact, and that the only affordable option CCP allows is bumping. :( |

Tali Ambraelle
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
90
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Posted - 2012.10.24 18:38:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:[ A flood of low end minerals, keeping high sec prices down, is undesirable. James is helping to curb an economic problem that exists in New Eden. It's just unfortunate that he's not able to have a larger impact, and that the only affordable option CCP allows is bumping. :(
False. Low prices ensure a vital economy as more players buy more things. Trade continues to flourish as the barrier of entry is low enough that anyone could be involved in any market they so choose from day 1 if they'd like.
He is not curbing problems, he is adding to them as a belligerence undesirable individual causing trouble. His "impact" is luckiyl minimal for now, but all tumors must be nipped before they grow.  |

James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp
3021
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Posted - 2012.10.24 18:38:00 -
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Tali Ambraelle wrote:Because your game play style was not being interrupted by miners. You're simply annoying people. That's not game play, that's undesirable behavior.  But you are attempting to interrupt my game play style, even suggesting that I ought to be banned. I am not annoying people; far more people support what I do than support you. It seems like I win on desirability. 
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