Will someone at CCP please allow miners defend (destroy) the bumpers ship without Concord intervention. As it is now all miners hands are tied and MUST submit to their extorsion tactics with no means of defense.


P.S. If this should be posted elsewhere please let me know...thanks

Just learn to bump the bumper. Nothing to fix here.

Will someone at CCP please allow miners defend (destroy) the bumpers ship without Concord intervention. As it is now all miners hands are tied and MUST submit to their extorsion tactics with no means of defense.


P.S. If this should be posted elsewhere please let me know...thanks

Pay the fee, it's 10m isk to afk to your little hearts content.

Why should he have to pay a fee for a resource center that does not belong to this group?

Will someone at CCP please allow miners defend (destroy) the bumpers ship without Concord intervention. As it is now all miners hands are tied and MUST submit to their extorsion tactics with no means of defense.


P.S. If this should be posted elsewhere please let me know...thanks

Because that group has the ability and desire to disrupt that resource center. I don't make a thread on EVE-O whenever a roaming gang comes through my ratting system and disrupts my resource center, I adapt and DEAL WITH IT.




Or you can just pay 10m isk and be done with it!

Will someone at CCP please allow miners defend (destroy) the bumpers ship without Concord intervention. As it is now all miners hands are tied and MUST submit to their extorsion tactics with no means of defense.


P.S. If this should be posted elsewhere please let me know...thanks

Will someone at CCP please allow miners defend (destroy) the bumpers ship without Concord intervention. As it is now all miners hands are tied and MUST submit to their extorsion tactics with no means of defense.


P.S. If this should be posted elsewhere please let me know...thanks

James is an undesirable deserving of ban for interrupting paying customers' game play.

Why should he have to pay a fee for a resource center that does not belong to this group?

Interrupting paying customers gameplay. This is without a doubt the most sickening thing I've ever read on these forums. Get over yourself.

...one word: collisions... problem solved.

Don't care. Let them mine in high sec. James is an undesirable deserving of ban for interrupting paying customers' game play.

Orbit with an MWD

Oh yeah, because that would help.

Just get me and my 10 friends to crash newbie ships into your mackinaw until it explodes.

...one word: collisions... problem solved.

No, you get over yourself. He is an undesirable hindering business, plain and simple.



Not in high sec, they're entitled, they're not bothering anyone. It's ok though, high sec will be made safer soon, and the undesirables will be pushed out :)

There's literally thousands of single-player games you guys can try out if you don't want to interact with other players.

Not in high sec, they're entitled, they're not bothering anyone

Not in high sec, they're entitled, they're not bothering anyone. It's ok though, high sec will be made safer soon, and the undesirables will be pushed out :)

They want to interact, that's why people mine together and "afk" mine. They mine and talk, interact, and enjoy each other. But no one wants to interact with belligerent undesirables interfering with customer game play. :)

*yawn* Typical undesirable arguments. It's ok, new changes will soon be made my fellow miners, and the undesirables will be forced away :)

Entitled, there's your problem right there, you are entitled to nothing in this game.

yea, well... and I say that with the utmost neutrality... that no longer applyies TO any game with monthly fees... these times are long gone.

yea, well... and I say that with the utmost neutrality... that no longer applyies TO any game with monthly fees... these times are long gone.

This. Miners; Vote with your wallets! I urge you to take the most direct action you can to defend YOUR game play, YOUR free time, and YOUR style!

*yawn* Typical undesirable arguments. It's ok, new changes will soon be made my fellow miners, and the undesirables will be forced away :)

This. Miners; Vote with your wallets! I urge you to take the most direct action you can to defend YOUR game play, YOUR free time, and YOUR style!

I would rather have a highsec with the so-called undesirables running around than some fluffy la-la land where the only danger and content comes from PvE. Bear in mind that I'm primarily a PvE player myself (a solo corp tax dodging one at that), the chance of getting suicide ganked, baited by ninja looters, bumped off rocks or getting skinned on the market for a few hundred million by my competitors is what makes life interesting.

Apparently some people think you are playing "EvE the Mining Simulator" incorrectly.

Rest assured, most of the player base is in agreement with you.

Will someone at CCP please allow miners defend (destroy) the bumpers ship without Concord intervention. As it is now all miners hands are tied and MUST submit to their extorsion tactics with no means of defense.


P.S. If this should be posted elsewhere please let me know...thanks

Please feel free to do so, once all the afk & carebear whiners are gone, the mineral prices may make full time mining actually worth doing.

Enjoy not affording anything more than a battle cruiser realistically.

We only need cruisers anyway. Cruisers are best for bumps

Enjoy not affording anything more than a battle cruiser realistically.

Not afk mining, doing laps around the item being mined does not work and W.O.W.?

My issue is not with the act of bumping but not being able to respond in a way other than pay or leave. To me this has been exploited enough and needs to be fixed.

Why should he have to pay a fee for a resource center that does not belong to this group?

Don't care. Let them mine in high sec. James is an undesirable deserving of ban for interrupting paying customers' game play.

Because that group has the ability and desire to disrupt that resource center. I don't make a thread on EVE-O whenever a roaming gang comes through my ratting system and disrupts my resource center, I adapt and DEAL WITH IT.

Just have an alt in a gank-fit catalyst standing by. That'll surprise the bumber & no doubt harvest some very tasty tears.

Not afk mining, doing laps around the item being mined does not work and W.O.W.?

My issue is not with the act of bumping but not being able to respond in a way other than pay or leave. To me this has been exploited enough and needs to be fixed.

Will someone at CCP please allow miners defend (destroy) the bumpers ship without Concord intervention. As it is now all miners hands are tied and MUST submit to their extorsion tactics with no means of defense.


P.S. If this should be posted elsewhere please let me know...thanks

Won't anyone think about the asteroids? One day asteroids are going to stop appearing from thin air and then what will we do? We are a society dependent on minerals and when the asteroids are gone, so too will be the minerals. We must consider alternative energy solutions. Quickly, CCP, implement corn farming in PI so I can refine T2 ethanol.

1. In what way am I an "undesirable"?

2. Why is your opinion about my desirability more important than others'?

3. Why should I get a ban if I do not violate the EULA?

4. How am I interrupting others' game play by improving it?

5. Is it "game play" if they're AFK?

Will someone at CCP please allow miners defend (destroy) the bumpers ship without Concord intervention. As it is now all miners hands are tied and MUST submit to their extorsion tactics with no means of defense.

Is this directed at me? If so, I have a few questions.

1. In what way am I an "undesirable"?
2. Why is your opinion about my desirability more important than others'?
3. Why should I get a ban if I do not violate the EULA?
4. How am I interrupting others' game play by improving it?
5. Is it "game play" if they're AFK?

Thanks!

And here is the next demand after they made ganking unprofitable.

Have you considered moving to another system or region?

Or using a pair of webifiers?

[Scorpion, 2x Quad Webber]
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II

Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II

[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I

Have you considered moving to another system or region?

Or using a pair of webifiers? [Industrials work too.]

[Scorpion, 2x Quad Webber]
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II

Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II

[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I

Will someone at CCP please allow miners defend (destroy) the bumpers ship without Concord intervention. As it is now all miners hands are tied and MUST submit to their extorsion tactics with no means of defense.


P.S. If this should be posted elsewhere please let me know...thanks

webifiers are exactly the reason why highsec bumping seems like a problem. webifiers and bumping are two main ways to affect the speed of a hostile ship. webifiers get you concorded in highsec...bumping doesn't. So, your post, while failing in its aims, at least brings up this central inconsistency. If ccp made hostile webifying legal in highsec, I'd cease my opposition to hisec bumping, actually. It would simultaneously remove the inconsistency while providing a means of defense.

You can suicide gank them

After all there are no consequences for doing this, right?

Oh dear well you'd better join a corp then

There's no risk. But there are known consequences,also known as 'costs'.

Nope, the bumper & friends will just get on the Concord killmail when the catalyst pilot goes global, a gank catalyst probably costs more than a bumping cruiser and won't get an insurance payout, the bumper will if the ship is insured which they usually are.

Where are your tears now?

I'm in a corp?

In all seriousness though, there are plenty of ways to defend against bumpers. Go mine in low/null and shoot them.

In all seriousness though, no. They don't want to because they don't want to be interrupted in THEIR game play style. Whether shooting or bumping. Your logic is wrong.

Well then web away! Aggressing a corpmate isn't a CONCORD offence.


(You knew that, right?)

For anyone curious as to what's behind this thread:

http://www.minerbumping.com/

Why should my game play style be interrupted then, pray tell?

Why should my game play style be interrupted then, pray tell?

In all seriousness though, there are plenty of ways to defend against bumpers. Go mine in low/null and shoot them.

Because your game play style was not being interrupted by miners. You're simply annoying people. That's not game play, that's undesirable behavior.

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A flood of low end minerals, keeping high sec prices down, is undesirable. James is helping to curb an economic problem that exists in New Eden. It's just unfortunate that he's not able to have a larger impact, and that the only affordable option CCP allows is bumping. :(

Because your game play style was not being interrupted by miners. You're simply annoying people. That's not game play, that's undesirable behavior.

But you are attempting to interrupt my game play style, even suggesting that I ought to be banned. I am not annoying people; far more people support what I do than support you. It seems like I win on desirability.

Because your game play style was not being interrupted by miners. You're simply annoying people. That's not game play, that's undesirable behavior.

False. Low prices ensure a vital economy as more players buy more things. Trade continues to flourish as the barrier of entry is low enough that anyone could be involved in any market they so choose from day 1 if they'd like.

He is not curbing problems, he is adding to them as a belligerence undesirable individual causing trouble. His "impact" is luckiyl minimal for now, but all tumors must be nipped before they grow.

False. Clearly more are annoyed at you. You simply have a very vocal minority of fellow undesirables. In your little world of lolRP, you are winning. In reality, you need culling. You should be careful of who you annoy Josh

I do believe that James315s game play can be considered to be Role Play, the role he has chosen to play is that of the Saviour of Hisec and as such

by refusing to take part in his way of playing the game you are ruining the immersion of his Role Playing. Ergo you are interrupting his game play.

Miners annoy James, so he annoys them back. It swings both ways

Welcome to the sandbox. I'm one of the players taking a crap in your corner of it.

How do i simultaneously join the corp of every bumper in existence, assuming they agree to it?

(you knew that was impossible already, right?)

((did you miss the specification of 'hostile webifying', or the parellelism between bumping and webifying implying webifying noncorpmates?))

Not so clear. Where's the evidence more people are against me than with me?

I've got more than 170 shareholders and run one of the most popular EVE blogs in existence.

What do you got?

You do realize that you web the mining ships, so they don't move as much, right? And yes, with an in-corp (player) web.

Except that your shareholders were coerced by your extortion.

Sounds like you need to get more familiar with my business.

It's ok, soon you're be pushed out with the rest of the undesirables :)

In his little world sure, he can do that all he wants. Not at the cost of the miners and their right to gain what they paid money for.

by refusing to take part in his way of playing the game you are ruining the immersion of his Role Playing. Ergo you are interrupting his game play.

Except miners never bothered him, let alone knew who he was before he took it upon himself to interrupt paying customers trying to relax. So what mining is boring? They need minerals to feed their industrial machine to provide items to people and to feed their other gameplay. Would you really tell me that they have to sit there and stare at rocks?

If so, you too are a belligerent undesirable for not allowing them the freedom of choice they deserve, as opposed to hiding behind the same excuse of "freedom" to justify his belligerent behavior.

It's ok, soon you're to be pushed out with the rest of the undesirables :)

Except that your shareholders were coerced by your extortion.

That is a blatant lie. As one of the largest shareholders, I can guarantee you that I parted with my 1.337 billion isk out of my own free will, because I appreciate what James 315 does and I want to endorse and support him and the New Order.

1. In what way am I an "undesirable"?
You interfere with game play of other individuals and ruin the product they paid for.

2. Why is your opinion about my desirability more important than others'?
Because many, many others find you as a belligerent undesirable. I merely echo it.

3. Why should I get a ban if I do not violate the EULA?
Miners consider it an exploit as you interfere with what they do at no consequence to you, at all.

4. How am I interrupting others' game play by improving it?
You are not improving mining, you are preventing their mining gameplay

5. Is it "game play" if they're AFK?
Yes.

And that is why you're listed on his website as a top donor? Right

False. Low prices ensure a vital economy as more players buy more things. Trade continues to flourish as the barrier of entry is low enough that anyone could be involved in any market they so choose from day 1 if they'd like.

He is not curbing problems, he is adding to them as a belligerence undesirable individual causing trouble. His "impact" is luckiyl minimal for now, but all tumors must be nipped before they grow.

That's the thing about Eve, you are free to create your own world..

Nope he is playing the game, by definition that is gameplay, in this case its ]Emergent Gameplay[ which is a major selling point of Eve, CCP provide the tools, the players decide how to use them.

I mine on an alt, I do actually sit there and watch the screen, I may have a small VLC window pinned on top in the corner or be using a pinned chrome window to watch youtube or browse the web but I'm always aware of my surroundings in Eve.

You have exactly the same freedoms ingame as everyone else to affect others, it is a major selling point of Eve that each and every player has the potential to affect every other player either positively or negatively. I choose to support James315 because for every lost cycle due to bumping, my mining alts productivity/ISK ratio increases..

Nope, I will not be pushed out of hisec by any changes to the game apart from CCP giving into the demands for a completely safe & zero risk hisec.

And that is exactly how you'll be pushed out. CCP will protect it's earnings and income as opposed to allowing belligerent undesirable behavior

You just want CCP to ensure that high sec continues to maintain it's communist grip on industry in New Eden. First it was ganking, now it's bumping. You guys wont be happy untill all of New Eden has to succumb to your playstyle.

How is that extortion, that's paramount to calling any real world business extortionists when they publish their shareholders reports.

No, you get over yourself. He is an undesirable hindering business, plain and simple.



Not in high sec, they're entitled, they're not bothering anyone. It's ok though, high sec will be made safer soon, and the undesirables will be pushed out :)

How is that extortion, that's paramount to calling any real world business extortionists when they publish their shareholders reports.

Once you stop threatening ours and demanding CCP nerfs highsec, then we'll stop

Look, highsec safeties like CONCORD and dec shields and NPC corps are designed to protect players in the middle of PvE from being victim to PVP, right?

Since there is no player behind the keyboard of those being bumped, that means what James is doing is by definition PvE (thanks to his testing), and therefore is entitled to the all the protections that all other forms of highsec PvE currently enjoy. We don't want to increase risk in highsec after all, right?

Not gameplay when paying customers are interrupted.

And that's wonderful for you. Some of us have lives and can't stare at a screen 24/7. We mine, then use it to build the ships you so eagerly use against us...wonder what would happen if we just stopped

And what happens when you get bumped or popped by GSF hm? Not so good when the shoes on the other foot? Or what happens when someone else simply undercuts you to continue to ensure cheap goods to the rest of New Eden?

And that is exactly how you'll be pushed out. CCP will protect it's earnings and income as opposed to allowing belligerent undesirable behavior

"EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for. "

Will someone at CCP please allow miners defend (destroy) the bumpers ship without Concord intervention. As it is now all miners hands are tied and MUST submit to their extorsion tactics with no means of defense.


P.S. If this should be posted elsewhere please let me know...thanks

Once you stop threatening ours and demanding CCP nerfs highsec, then we'll stop



You're very bad at analogies. How is;

1) Point gun at persons head
2) Hey I'll not hurt you if you pay me money
3) Money paid

a "business" and not extortion? Typical logic of the undesirables.

If you're mining 23/7 you're obviously a bot or aspiring to be one GTFO. If you stopped mining? guess what? others will take your place and provide the same service, you are not unique, there are many more players that can fly an barge/exhumer than players that actually do..

Getting ganked or being bumped is a cost of doing business, you deal with it and move on. Alternatively you can cry about it, which we actually prefer because your tears? they fuel the gank & bump campaigns. Somebody undercuts me on the market? meh so what, prices fluctuate daily and I & many other traders have enough liquid isk to push prices back up within a day or so by buying out the competition, or ignoring the undercutter until all their stuff is sold..

Not according to the EULA and Terms of Service you agreed to when you signed up to pay and play. The only thing you are entitled to is access to the server, with the understanding that even that can and will be interrupted from time to time.

Nope, shareholders voluntarily give money to The New Order, mining licences holders names do not appear on minerbumping.com, James goes out of his way to ensure their anonymity and protect them from retribution from the naysayers

Someone is confusing shareholders with miners.

Shareholders support James 315 and the New Order, but don't mine.
Miners of course also support the New Order, but they buy a 10M indulgence. They're not shareholders.

She was coerced, paid your RANSOM, and also purchased stock, making her a shareholder.

Not in high sec, they're entitled, they're not bothering anyone. It's ok though, high sec will be made safer soon, and the undesirables will be pushed out :)

No one forced her to buy the shares though.

And as I said, in general the shareholders aren't even miners.

You don't seem to grasp the distinction between the New Order asking miners to buy an indulgence for mining and investors buying shares out of their own free will.

Caught in your own lie, hm?

As I said, undesirable belligerents ruining customer experience. She was coerced, paid your RANSOM, and also purchased stock, making her a shareholder. Why she did that is anyone's guess, maybe to try to get on your good side so she can mine in peace. Either way, criminal scum is all you are

EDIT: BTW, how does your "righteous" crusade stand against "afk" miners...when they aren't afk, and are indeed talking to you?

Of course I alone would do nothing. Learn to read. I said all miners.

Fear of your "crusade" most likely did. She probably wanted to, as I said, "get on your good side..." What good side you have, I'll never know.


Except they are, as state previously in this thread, a miner is a shareholder for he hopes the higher prices will help him.



I believe I do. You use fear and coercion like scumbag criminal mobsters. Belligerent undesirables have the oddest logic

A few points:
1: The bumping mechanic in EVE was modified in the past to be less pronounced, but ships still bob around like corks when in close proximity. For immersion reasons alone it should be modified again to at least LOOK somewhat believable.

2: Goons, or anyone else for that matter, have every right to try and extort money from miners (or anyone else that lets them get away with it).

3: Yes, you will be able to put a bounty on a bumper soon... but that's really not a solution unless the bumpers are flying ships that are worth the security hit to pop and collect the bounty on.

4: Hmmm, looks like there is a need for a smaller, faster mining vessel that will be more difficult to bump for people that insist on mining in systems that have a bump operation in progress. Sort of a ninja mining vessel, perhaps frigate sized.

CCP, Buff bumping. I want dedicated bumping ship with 1 high slot for Tear Harvester II, and low slot for Tear Harvester Upgrade II.

"Allowing miners to defend themselves" has proven to be a gigantic slippery slope in the past. Giving them an inch in any direction is inevitably going to result in highsec having even less player to player interaction in it.

To all the "miners suck" type trolls: People have been bitching about neutral repping for years. The primary argument was and is that its consequence-free game play that ruins high sec pvp.

Because that group has the ability and desire to disrupt that resource center. I don't make a thread on EVE-O whenever a roaming gang comes through my ratting system and disrupts my resource center, I adapt and DEAL WITH IT.




Or you can just pay 10m isk and be done with it!

For me its a matter of principal and self respect and dignity. I refuse to allow someone to exploit a game mechanic to force me into something I dont want to do.

Bumping has many uses in EVE, many beyond just harassing miners (which I must admit is quite a good use of the mechanic). I am surprised we haven't seen a battering ram ship. Battleship mass, frigate speed, 1 high slot (no turret/missile slots, utility only).

For me its a matter of principal and self respect and dignity. I refuse to allow someone to exploit a game mechanic to force me into something I dont want to do.

Except that its not an 'exploit' and is a valid game mechanic no matter how much the bad men are abusing you and disrupting your gameplay. Collision and the ability to bump and be bumped has existed for years.

All because someone has figured out something new and innovative to do with it doesn't warrant a call to remove the mechanic entirely, or in this case- a demand by spoiled players to be able to ~defend~ themselves against it.

(you can)

I have no problem with being bumped, not able to retaliate without being Concorded is what I have issue with. Which is a complete contradiction of what 315 proclaims he wants, more risk in hi-sec.

Wars do not add risk to high-sec, allowing miners to defend does.

I don't get it...
"I want to retaliate without concord intervention!" --> wars
"I don't wanna war!"
Did I miss something?

A 2 man corp war dec New Order ? Lay off the pipe man.

I have no problem with being bumped, not able to retaliate without being Concorded is what I have issue with. Which is a complete contradiction of what 315 proclaims he wants, more risk in hi-sec.

Seriously, lay off the pipe. I would like a good one on one fight, I own more than a Exhumer, but I cannot because I will get Concorded.

I don't get it...
"I want to retaliate without concord intervention!" --> wars
"I don't wanna war!"
Did I miss something?

Inb4 James315 response.

Dang. For a while there I thought OP was another James 146 alt?

Load up a Catalyst, PM me for a fit and some tactics, and I will show you how to throw off your shackles, rise up, and smack the next person who bumps you in the face.

Your Eve career will never be the same.

Well, I'll be...

We can kill speed tanked warships with a single cat? In highsec? With Concord?

I heard you can't even kill a stationary mining vessel with one.

Was that in the update the other day?

The bumpers of the new order don't join the same corp, so that it is impossible to wardec them all.

To 315, you calim to want more risk for hi-sec but not for u. Why is this ?

To increase risk in highsec for me, you must also increase risk in highsec for everyone else, no? Nerf Concord and you'll have risk all around.

But allow a miner to retalaite without Concord, that u r against?

But allow a miner to retalaite without Concord, that u r against?

But allow a miner to retalaite without Concord, that u r against?

Maybe not velicoty related but more the distace the bumpee was moved ?? I would assume something can be programmed to only happen (flg bumper) if a mining laser or whatever is active on a given ship. y/n ? idk.

A 2 man corp war dec New Order ? Lay off the pipe man.

James is in a one man corp, his supporters and the bumpers are in various other corps so would not be able to interfere, man up.

Will someone at CCP please allow miners defend (destroy) the bumpers ship without Concord intervention. As it is now all miners hands are tied and MUST submit to their extorsion tactics with no means of defense.


P.S. If this should be posted elsewhere please let me know...thanks

Out of curiosity how far do miners get bumped? I orbit my roids and ice at 1.5km it would seem to me that that would fix most regular bumpers?

Out of curiosity how far do miners get bumped? I orbit my roids and ice at 1.5km it would seem to me that that would fix most regular bumpers?

James is an undesirable deserving of ban for interrupting paying customers' game play.

Out of curiosity how far do miners get bumped? I orbit my roids and ice at 1.5km it would seem to me that that would fix most regular bumpers?

Bumpers live for threads like this. Tears, tears and more tears.

i just have 3 things to say about this.


1) This whole situation is amazing


2) James315 for CSM chairman!

3) I like pie

Why not just have CCP magic ore into your holds.

As a note of clarification:

What James 315 is doing was considered bannable griefing in the past::

http://wiki.eveonline.com/wikiEN/index.php?title=Griefing&action=historysubmit&diff=55598&oldid=41295

But is not now.

Well, yes and no. Even back then, the Wiki says it was only griefing when used "outside of a fight". But the New Order only bumps to fight for what's right, to fight for a better highsec. So even back then it would have been allowed.

If you want to fight come to Ravarath and start shooting my retriever.
Otherwise you have no fight and thus can not claim exception.