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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
231
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Posted - 2012.11.18 21:00:00 -
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Sixx Spades wrote:What you currently see is a collective effort to efficiently destroy freighters that are carrying far too much cargo for their own good. For goodness sake, it only takes a quick glance at eve-kill to see that many of these ships are just being incredibly stupid in their actions. If you think about it, a significant amount of planning, staging, and orchestration goes into a successful gank, unlike the 3 seconds of thought that most freighter pilots put in for setting destination, overloading cargohold, and pressing 'autopilot'.
It takes 3 seconds to destroy interceptor with arty Thrasher...
None of them locks ever though. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10365
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Posted - 2012.11.18 21:00:00 -
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Lorna Mood wrote:For the umpteenieth time... it's nothing to do with being AFK. The freighters are bumped when they jump in the system to stop them aligning to the next gate. It makes no difference if the pilot is there or not. If the pilot is there, there's quite a lot he can doGǪ If he has help, there's even more. The best choice, though, is the one made before you even undock GÇö the one that makes you a worthless target.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
53
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Posted - 2012.11.18 21:01:00 -
[303] - Quote
Posting the same response to the same thread:
Retribution will allow you to escort your freighter without even leaving NPC corp shield and even request assistance from anyone who just happened to be nearby.
Though if you think that a sole unescorted ship not even suited for combat should provide a challenge for an organized group of attackers, then go back to missions, they are full of such stuff.
P.S. Even in a fluffier universes like Wing Commander lifetime expectancy of unescorted transport was calculated in minutes, starting from undocking... |
Galaxy Pig
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
148
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Posted - 2012.11.18 21:05:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Riddick Liddell wrote:No, you chose to sit in one system and exploit human flaw and ruin a game for others. You won't be missed. You won't be welcome in any other MMO either. They would put you out on your ear in the blink of an eye. Freighters aren't "new blood". Stop being a drama queen. This. Pop a newbie Ibis carrying newbie valuables (Not an obvious alt carrying billions) get a warning. Keep targeting week old players for no real gain who are still trying to figure out what a Micro Warp Drive does and how rigs work then you should get banned. I am happy about that, I think they should put more into stopping people like that. If you are flying the highest Capital class of the hauling profession you should know the threats and not fly what you can afford to lose. Plain and simple.
I take exception to this. I think it's best for noobs to learn the nature of the game sooner rather than later, especially if they're in a free ibis. Also, no you won't get a warning unless you can bait them in the starter systems, so blast away if you catch 'em anywhere else. ;) |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
231
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Posted - 2012.11.18 21:05:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Lorna Mood wrote:For the umpteenieth time... it's nothing to do with being AFK. The freighters are bumped when they jump in the system to stop them aligning to the next gate. It makes no difference if the pilot is there or not. If the pilot is there, there's quite a lot he can doGǪ If he has help, there's even more. The best choice, though, is the one made before you even undock GÇö the one that makes you a worthless target.
If I don't undock how is that stuff going to move to new location? |
Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
10710
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Posted - 2012.11.18 21:07:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Tippia wrote:Lorna Mood wrote:For the umpteenieth time... it's nothing to do with being AFK. The freighters are bumped when they jump in the system to stop them aligning to the next gate. It makes no difference if the pilot is there or not. If the pilot is there, there's quite a lot he can doGǪ If he has help, there's even more. The best choice, though, is the one made before you even undock GÇö the one that makes you a worthless target. If I don't undock how is that stuff going to move to new location? Where did he say don't undock?
CCP Zulu.....
Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10365
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Posted - 2012.11.18 21:08:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:If I don't undock how is that stuff going to move to new location? Why wouldn't you undock?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
42
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Posted - 2012.11.18 21:15:00 -
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Oopsy Bear wrote:...and I wouldn't mind getting rid of cargo scanners entirely...
No, seriously. I rather have the gankers realize, that my freighter is not worth the effort, than getting ganked just because.
Not that Goons couldn't afford to gank my freighter for the lulz  . |
Lord Zim
2028
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Posted - 2012.11.18 21:15:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Tippia wrote:Lorna Mood wrote:For the umpteenieth time... it's nothing to do with being AFK. The freighters are bumped when they jump in the system to stop them aligning to the next gate. It makes no difference if the pilot is there or not. If the pilot is there, there's quite a lot he can doGǪ If he has help, there's even more. The best choice, though, is the one made before you even undock GÇö the one that makes you a worthless target. If I don't undock how is that stuff going to move to new location?
It's like reading is hard.
Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
231
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Posted - 2012.11.18 21:30:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:Tippia wrote:Lorna Mood wrote:For the umpteenieth time... it's nothing to do with being AFK. The freighters are bumped when they jump in the system to stop them aligning to the next gate. It makes no difference if the pilot is there or not. If the pilot is there, there's quite a lot he can doGǪ If he has help, there's even more. The best choice, though, is the one made before you even undock GÇö the one that makes you a worthless target. If I don't undock how is that stuff going to move to new location? It's like reading is hard.
Ok, let's try again...
How is The Stuff going to move to new location if nobody is going to move it? |
Lord Zim
2029
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Posted - 2012.11.18 21:31:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:Tippia wrote:Lorna Mood wrote:For the umpteenieth time... it's nothing to do with being AFK. The freighters are bumped when they jump in the system to stop them aligning to the next gate. It makes no difference if the pilot is there or not. If the pilot is there, there's quite a lot he can doGǪ If he has help, there's even more. The best choice, though, is the one made before you even undock GÇö the one that makes you a worthless target. If I don't undock how is that stuff going to move to new location? It's like reading is hard. Ok, let's try again... How is The Stuff going to move to new location if nobody is going to move it?
Point out where Tippia said "don't undock, ever".
Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
231
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Posted - 2012.11.18 21:34:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Point out where Tippia said "don't undock, ever".
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2197171#post2197171 |
Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks
Executive Outcomes
476
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Posted - 2012.11.18 21:36:00 -
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Newsflash wrote:14 freighters/jf suicide ganked in empire last 24h by just handful of ships in every gank. 10 bc do it easily or 20 destroyers... this thing is just escalating by day. ccp time to do something about easiness and huge profit and neglible risk suicideganking these big ships offers.
Don't actually have anything to add to the thread as it's all already been said.
However I do want to make it easy for me to find a classic High Sec blinkered post so I can use it as an example for all to see in the future, so I'm posting here.
"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |
Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
10710
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Posted - 2012.11.18 21:37:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:It's like reading is hard. I think you're right.
CCP Zulu.....
Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Lord Zim
2029
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Posted - 2012.11.18 21:39:00 -
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I'm not seeing anything even remotely related to "don't undock, ever". You might want to actually read it instead of just seeing "undock" and sperging out.
But yes, I'm going to go with "reading is hard".
Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. |
Tarn Kugisa
Infinite Covenant
Tribal Band
164
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Posted - 2012.11.18 21:40:00 -
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GreenSeed wrote:amahgahd my stuff is exploding!
please CCP, add a button on the militia pilots UI that lights up every time someone does something naughty within the same system or region, and let them warp to the location of the evildoer with a push of that button with kill-rights included.
make the militia system a "tour" based system, instead of a permanent commitment... "one week playing cop, then back to the hell hole that spawned you" maybe trow in a 1% LP discount staking for every week you stay on the militia being active.
oh and remove Concord while you are at it.
heh, we can dream, cant we?
do want
bring instafalcons
I Endorse this Product and/or Service
Source Recorder-esque tool for EVE |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10365
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Posted - 2012.11.18 21:42:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Point out where Tippia said "don't undock, ever". https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2197171#post2197171 That doesn't actually answer the question. Please provide an actual quote where I said you shouldn't undock.
Quote:How is The Stuff going to move to new location if nobody is going to move it? That's a strange hypothetical. Why would people not move the stuff?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
231
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Posted - 2012.11.18 21:47:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:I'm not seeing anything even remotely related to "don't undock, ever". You might want to actually read it instead of just seeing "undock" and sperging out.
But yes, I'm going to go with "reading is hard".
"the one that makes you a worthless target"
The one that makes you a worthless target is "don't undock".
If you undock you're going to be a target of some worth. It could be internetspaceship money, lulz, tears... |
Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
10710
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Posted - 2012.11.18 21:48:00 -
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Oh dear.
CCP Zulu.....
Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Lord Zim
2030
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Posted - 2012.11.18 21:50:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Lord Zim wrote:I'm not seeing anything even remotely related to "don't undock, ever". You might want to actually read it instead of just seeing "undock" and sperging out.
But yes, I'm going to go with "reading is hard". "the one that makes you a worthless target" The one that makes you a worthless target is "don't undock". If you undock you're going to be a target of some worth. It could be internetspaceship money, lulz, tears...
Your reading abilities leave something to be desired. Tippia said before you undock, not don't undock.
Let me elucidate for you, since you seem to be incapable of doing so yourself: the choice you can make before you undock is to not make yourself a target worth ganking. I.e. put less valuable **** in your hold.
Now let's see you twist that one into incomprehensibility. I'm sure you'll try.
Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1914
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Posted - 2012.11.18 21:50:00 -
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CCP has not only created a social experiment that allows sociopathic behavior, but actually encourages it.
If the experiment fails, it's not the little bees fault. Nor Bat Country or any of the other griefers that CCP has invited to indulge in this antisocial behavior.
No; if you must lay blame, lay it on the company that made this game. Not the people that are abusing the mechanics that were designed into it.
TLDR: For better or worse, it's working as intended.
Mr Epeen 
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10365
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Posted - 2012.11.18 21:52:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:"the one that makes you a worthless target" GǪwhich is distinctly different from Gǣdon't undockGǥ.
The choice that makes you a worthless target is the one that ensures you cost more to catch than it pays to do so.
So again, you've been caught lying. Is it some kind of medical condition that makes it impossible for you to ever say something that is true has any kind of basis in reality?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
231
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Posted - 2012.11.18 21:52:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Your reading abilities leave something to be desired. Tippia said before you undock, not don't undock.
I didn't know you can decided not to undock after you have undocked... |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
231
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Posted - 2012.11.18 21:54:00 -
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Tippia wrote:The choice that makes you a worthless target is the one that ensures you cost more to catch than it pays to do so.
It takes one arty Thrasher and less than 3 seconds to destroy interceptor...
I have yet to see one even trying. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10365
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Posted - 2012.11.18 21:54:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Your reading abilities leave something to be desired. Tippia said before you undock, not don't undock. I didn't know you can decided not to undock after you have undocked... Your reading abilities leave something to be desired. I never said you shouldn't undock. So your decision is nonsensical.
Quote:It takes one arty Thrasher and less than 3 seconds to destroy interceptor...
I have yet to see one even trying. Do you want to take a stab at guessing why?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Sixx Spades
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
40
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Posted - 2012.11.18 21:54:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Ok, let's try again...
How is The Stuff going to move to new location if nobody is going to move it?
The point isn't that you're not allowed to move it. What we're trying to tell you is that you should be smart about how you move it. For instance, move your stuff in chunks instead of taking it all at once. If you can't be bothered to be at the keyboard for a single round trip, is it really that much more effort for you to do two round trips instead?
Jade Constantine, self-made space harlot. News at 11.
http://bit.ly/LTW5gW |
Silk daShocka
Greasy Hair Club
113
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Posted - 2012.11.18 21:55:00 -
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Since people seem to think this is such an important issue to talk about (16 pages in one day)
Here is the solution to not getting your freighter ganked in hi-sec: Red Frog Freight or Push Industries.
If it's so bloody dangerous to fly your freighter around, why don't you pay these guys to do it for you? I have a freighter myself and barely use it simply because these couriers are so cheap to use it's not worth me jumping my freighter around for 500k/jump most of the time. Even if it was worth me jumping for 500k, the opportunity cost since moving a freighter does take a lot of time even with webs, just isn't worth it.
If you are rich enough to afford to put 4 billion worth of cargo in your freighter, you are rich enough to pay a courier to do something that your not good at.
You can put up to 1 bil worth of **** for 500k/jump. The service to move it will cost you about 1% of the items you are moving. Most people move stuff around to make money, if you aren't making more than 1% on the items you are moving, your doing it wrong in the first place. Let's say you are making 10%. After the courier cost you now make 9% oh noes.
Disclaimer: I am not a courier, nor am I affiliated with them in any way. |
Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
10710
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Posted - 2012.11.18 21:55:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Now let's see you twist that one into incomprehensibility. I'm sure you'll try. Your wish and all that.
CCP Zulu.....
Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Lord Zim
2030
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Posted - 2012.11.18 21:56:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Your reading abilities leave something to be desired. Tippia said before you undock, not don't undock. I didn't know you can decided not to undock after you have undocked...
For the sake of mankind, I'm going to just assume you're trolling. Nobody can be this bad at reading.
Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. |
psycho freak
Snuff Box
19
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Posted - 2012.11.18 21:57:00 -
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Personaly i suport empire ganking its good player content
id like to see some the tiers you guys get in mails any links to any you posted or could you post a few on C+P
on side note this is why we dont want carebares in losec becouse all they do is fu#king cry to ccp to get game changed to suit them |
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