idk, stop sucking or something.

Lost one Charon full of trit yesterday.

Now we aren't allowed to haul trit in High Sec because other players say so.

Lost one Charon full of trit yesterday.

By that logic if someone pops 20 empty shuttles you are no longer able to fly empty shuttles through Hi Sec.

Do you think players should be allowed to gank shuttles, freighters and other ships in Hi Sec?

Your game is being griefed off the map. Ball is in your court.

You can scout yourself, web yourself, and fly safer loads. Ball has actually been in your court the entire time.

And by your logic there will always be an excuse.

Funny thing though, Goons had their freighter full of Zydrine reimbursed when someone popped it in low.

So much for webs, fleet, not hauling more than this and that amount.

I don't forget things like that.

Funny thing though, Goons had their freighter full of Zydrine reimbursed when someone popped it in low.

CCP will now punish you for lies about GM actions now. Just a little heads up

You now speak for CCP and when they take action against the player base?
Is there something I should know about your account?

Is there something I should know about your account?

Also a lot people atack freigters just for lulz.

I fly megathrons and am a member of one of EVEs most destructive terrorist organisations. I can also provide some rather fun numbers on high sec ganking ativities and I am one of a number of Bat scientists working on the next high sec campain.

Nobody ganks these things just for the "lulz". Its always for the isk.

Gratz, thread derailed.

It's still about a freighter full of Trit being ganked in High Sec for no other reason than to smother everyone out of the game.

It's still about a freighter full of Trit being ganked in High Sec for no other reason than to smother everyone out of the game.

Lost one Charon full of trit yesterday.

Gratz, thread derailed.

It's still about a freighter full of Trit being ganked in High Sec for no other reason than to smother everyone out of the game.

Why shouldn't people be allowed to gank freighters full of trit in high sec?

Gratz, thread derailed.

It's still about a freighter full of Trit being ganked in High Sec for no other reason than to smother everyone out of the game.

It is just Mining with a Neutron Blaster.

Stop trying to nerf Miners!.

How does that smother anyone out of the game?

Don't fly what you can not afford to lose, it isn't Goons fault if people don't understand what is rule #1 of EVE.

Everything that I fly that I do not expect to lose has a few back up options just in case, unless of course it is something I deemed completely expendable.

Freighters have enough EHP as it is, their one of the highest EHP ships in Eve, especially high sec. If you want complete security hello kitty online is that way ---> www.hellokittyonline.com

Eve will not provide security you have to play smart in order to survive. Don't fly anything that is remotely profitable to gank you in high sec, and don't afk.

It isn't about EHP. It's about bump mechanics. Speaking of Hello Kittie, not like Bumping someone to death isn't as fruity as it gets.

Go back to WoW lost the touch? We need to abuse Hello Kitty now?

It isn't about EHP. It's about bump mechanics. Speaking of Hello Kittie, not like Bumping someone to death isn't as fruity as it gets.

It isn't about EHP. It's about bump mechanics. Speaking of Hello Kittie, not like Bumping someone to death isn't as fruity as it gets.

So, what, you want bumping to be removed from the game too, now?

So, what, you want bumping to be removed from the game too, now?

Or countered.

You can scout yourself, web yourself, and fly safer loads. Ball has actually been in your court the entire time.

Or countered.

In addition, the claim was it was too easy to do High Sec incursions, they had to be balanced.
It was to easy to farm LP in FW. It needed to be balanced.

It's too easy to hold a freighter or other slow to warp ship using bump mechanics. It needs to balanced.
Or does that not apply when it's your Kill Mail gravy train on the line?

So you`ve seen the balls up close then. Please then tell us what you`ve already said one more time, with your mouth full, 400 mil gank, is able to push down 1.5-5 bil ship in high sec just for lolz.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=17641147

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=17644123

And these are only a couple of lolz killz :D. I don`t feel sorry for them. Ppl should fly only things they can afford to loose. But still a 400 mil gank vs 1.5 bil, the rates don`t match.

So I hear there's this thing called "corps can shoot people who aggress other people from your corp". And since people have whined long and hard about EVE Online not being kitty online enough, or that they really, really want EVE Online: Trammel, CCP are bringing out Retribution with Crimewatch 2.0, which enables everyone to shoot at anyone who do anything illegal.

And still, this is not enough? Do CCP have to remove any and all player interaction from hisec before people like you'll stop whining? Do we really have to turn hisec into Trammel/Hello Kitty before you'll be satisfied?

So you`ve seen the balls up close then. Please then tell us what you`ve already said one more time, with your mouth full, 400 mil gank, is able to push down 1.5-5 bil ship in high sec just for lolz.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=17641147

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=17644123

And these are only a couple of lolz killz :D. I don`t feel sorry for them. Ppl should fly only things they can afford to loose. But still a 400 mil gank vs 1.5 bil, the rates don`t match.

Are you really that hell bent on making EVE so unattractive to all but the extreme minimum it takes to keep the servers up?

Do you have any idea what's inside that plastic wrap? Any idea at all? No?

I bet baltec does.

I bet baltec does.

You seem to be hellbent on presenting the ganking of a few ships as oh god this will kill eve. This is a fallacy.

To some degree but EVE is an old game and has a very bad reputation for being full of antisocial misfits. Like you.

You damage EVE when EVE needs new blood. You are selfish. You could be in any 0.0 sec doing roams, not to take Sov, just for PvP. No, you chose to sit in one system and exploit human flaw and ruin a game for others. You won't be missed. You won't be welcome in any other MMO either. They would put you out on your ear in the blink of an eye.

You twist EVE in to something it wasn't supposed to be. A place with a complete lack of common sense or dignity.

Keep your stuff. Donate it to one of the people you griefed.

To some degree but EVE is an old game and has a very bad reputation for being full of antisocial misfits. Like you.

You damage EVE when EVE needs new blood. You are selfish. You could be in any 0.0 sec doing roams, not to take Sov, just for PvP. No, you chose to sit in one system and exploit human flaw and ruin a game for others. You won't be missed. You won't be welcome in any other MMO either. They would put you out on your ear in the blink of an eye.

You twist EVE in to something it wasn't supposed to be. A place with a complete lack of common sense or dignity.

Freighters aren't "new blood". Stop being a drama queen.

tldr: long winded rant about angry entitlements

No
You hide behind this illusion that EVE is going to become some evil carebear incarnation of itself.

It will be Hello Kitty and Trammel and all this other alarmist, drama queen nonsense. All to justify antisocial behavior in a virtual world because you lack fundamental empathy required to see you are wasting someone elses time.

No
You hide behind this illusion that EVE is going to become some evil carebear incarnation of itself.
It will be Hello Kitty and Trammel and all this other alarmist, drama queen nonsense. All to justify antisocial behavior in a virtual world because you lack fundamental empathy required to see you are wasting someone elses time.

Don't let the door smack you in the ass.

No
You hide behind this illusion that EVE is going to become some evil carebear incarnation of itself.
It will be Hello Kitty and Trammel and all this other alarmist, drama queen nonsense. All to justify antisocial behavior in a virtual world because you lack fundamental empathy required to see you are wasting someone elses time.

Don't let the door smack you in the ass.

Oh come on, say it. Say I'm a sociopath, instead of skirting around the word like this. You know you can do it.

You must be mad. Lose a freighter lately?

No
Never
Goons have never taken a ship from me and they won't.
This is about empathy. About seeing the frustration they cause other people. I know it's unimaginable in a game like EVE but it really isn't about me.

No
Never
Goons have never taken a ship from me and they won't.
This is about empathy. About seeing the frustration they cause other people. I know it's unimaginable in a game like EVE but it really isn't about me.

I fly megathrons and am a member of one of EVEs most destructive terrorist organisations. I can also provide some rather fun numbers on high sec ganking ativities and I am one of a number of Bat scientists working on the next high sec campain.

In a game in which you can be a pirate why are you so shocked there are pirates?

Say it.

"If you gank someone in a PVP game, you're a mean and evil person and you should be locked up in an insane asylum for your anti-social behavior".

Say it.

Go on, say it.

No
Never
Goons have never taken a ship from me and they won't.

This is about empathy. About seeing the frustration they cause other people. I know it's unimaginable in a game like EVE but it really isn't about me.

Pirates were shot on sight.
You fail to see the point in High Security space.

You are a pirate? Why are you there?

No
Never
Goons have never taken a ship from me and they won't.
This is about empathy. About seeing the frustration they cause other people. I know it's unimaginable in a game like EVE but it really isn't about me.

What would make your corp return ganking barges again?

Pirates were shot on sight.
You fail to see the point in High Security space.

You are a pirate? Why are you there?

No, I just don't think you belong in this game. You damage its potential.

Pirates were shot on sight.
You fail to see the point in High Security space.

You are a pirate? Why are you there?

Then, for one, why do you care? Secondly, Goons have never bothered me. Thirdly... I know it's unimaginable in a game like EVE, but Goons are players too, and have the exact same mechanics available to them as every other player. FYI, my corp has a freighter pilot who runs stuff in and out of Jita frequently - specifically, a Charon. He's never lost the ship, not once. He's been attacked, even webbed, but never once lost the ship. He's flown the same one coming up on about 3 or 4 months now.

No, I do not. You damage it far more than I do, since you're actually under the illusion hisec is supposed to be perfectly safe, and by god you will whine until CCP caters to you.

Have you ever seen a gank in hisec where the pirates didn't get shot?

Why do I care?

I've been playing for 7 years. I like EVE. I like it rough and tumble. I just have enough self control to moderate my bad behavior. It's called being an adult.

Macks need to have their tank reduced to that of the hulk. Still very tankable but if you fit nothing we can make enough of a profit to make it last over a long enough timescale to make our isk.

Most Goons never leave Deklein. I have no issue with them. I'd have no issue if they chased me out of Deklein. I wouldn't have an issue if they chased me out of some low sec system in Khanid space.

Why do I care?

I've been playing for 7 years. I like EVE. I like it rough and tumble. I just have enough self control to moderate my bad behavior. It's called being an adult.

You know, if you actually wanted to pretend you're "an adult", you would be mature enough to see EVE for what it is, i.e. a dark and harsh world where unconsented PVP happens even in hisec.

Notice the word "high" in hisec, not "perfect". Suck it up.

Let me be more specific.

How much - in terms of ISK would a mass suicide gank event require per average mack killed, considering losing the gank boats, selling the drops etc? IE what's the "deficit"?

I am thinking about sponsoring some Hulkageddon revival but the expense has to be within a budget.

I've been playing for 7 years. I like EVE. I like it rough and tumble. I just have enough self control to moderate my bad behavior. It's called being an adult.

And I still make more sense than you, clinging to this half baked idea that EVE can work when people don't use self control to restrict the damage they do. I'm out numbered here, being ganked in to the ground and while I do care, not enough to fight battles CCP have chosen not to fight.

If it's OK with them, it's OK with me. You still missed the point in me debating you. Maybe EVE is healthy as a horse. If so, carry on. Maybe this is what they want.

And I still make more sense than you, clinging to this half baked idea that EVE can work when people don't use self control to restrict the damage they do. I'm out numbered here, being ganked in to the ground and while I do care, not enough to fight battles CCP have chosen not to fight.

If it's OK with them, it's OK with me. You still missed the point in me debating you. Maybe EVE is healthy as a horse. If so, carry on. Maybe this is what they want.

And I still make more sense than you, clinging to this half baked idea that EVE can work when people don't use self control to restrict the damage they do.

I'm out numbered here, being ganked in to the ground and while I do care, not enough to fight battles CCP have chosen not to fight.

If it's OK with them, it's OK with me. You still missed the point in me debating you. Maybe EVE is healthy as a horse. If so, carry on. Maybe this is what they want.

I just have enough intelligence to not be bothered or effected by attackers.

If everyone had that then problem solved. For the minority who don't, I would rather not have the Devs move the goal post and lose the people who take time to plan things out.

If everyone had that then problem solved. For the minority who don't, I would rather not have the Devs move the goal post and lose the people who take time to plan things out. There are a bunch of games for the few idiots where everybody is a winner, EVE is for the sensible.

Not even the smart, just the sensible.

and the introduction of "you do anything illegal in hisec and everyone can shoot you scot free" which'll come dec 4th.

I'm guessing that my optimism at CCP eventually realizing what a terrible idea this is and rolling it back is rather misguided...

I actually see potential for this to encourage miners to learn to fight back, or at least to defend themselves properly - I can see most people wanting to avoid getting involved instead of playing white-knight anyway.

I actually see potential for this to encourage miners to learn to fight back, or at least to defend themselves properly

You must be right, after all, it's not like they could do any of this before this upcoming patch, or before the changes that outright buffed mining barge and exhumer defenses.

10 to 20 million per mack when attacking them in a 0.7 system which is where most of them live.

Hulks need no subsity.

My objection to hi sec freighter ganking is that it cannot be defended against.

Scout ahead? Scout for what exactly? The gankers don't sit in the system, they warp in after the freighter has been bumped to stop it aligning. That's just stupid game mechanics, like knocking a jumbo jet off course by flying a cessna close to it.

Don't carry any cargo worth more than a half a billion? Even if that supposedly helps it renders frieghters totally useless as a ship class. Is that by design? I don't think so.

I've lost a freighter to this exploit, and yes, using the bumping mechanic to get the kill IS an exploit. I wasn't AFK, yes I CAN afford to lose it, no I'm not stupid and no, I'm not whining about losing a ship, I really don't give a XXXX. I have however still cancelled my accounts as I am not comfortable with the game mechanic that allows a freighter to be killed so easily with zero risk.

Flame me all you like about 'rage quitting' but it's nothing like that. If you see what you think is a flaw which spoils a game for you then you stop playing it, no matter what game it is.

And no, you can't have my stuff before some highly unoriginal child asks.

My objection to hi sec freighter ganking is that it cannot be defended against.

I've lost a freighter to this exploit, and yes, using the bumping mechanic to get the kill IS an exploit.

My objection to hi sec freighter ganking is that it cannot be defended against.

Scout ahead? Scout for what exactly? The gankers don't sit in the system, they warp in after the freighter has been bumped to stop it aligning. That's just stupid game mechanics, like knocking a jumbo jet off course by flying a cessna close to it.

Don't carry any cargo worth more than a half a billion? Even if that supposedly helps it renders frieghters totally useless as a ship class. Is that by design? I don't think so.

I've lost a freighter to this exploit, and yes, using the bumping mechanic to get the kill IS an exploit. I wasn't AFK, yes I CAN afford to lose it, no I'm not stupid and no, I'm not whining about losing a ship, I really don't give a XXXX. I have however still cancelled my accounts as I am not comfortable with the game mechanic that allows a freighter to be killed so easily with zero risk.

Flame me all you like about 'rage quitting' but it's nothing like that. If you see what you think is a flaw which spoils a game for you then you stop playing it, no matter what game it is.

And no, you can't have my stuff before some highly unoriginal child asks.

I've lost a freighter to this exploit, and yes, using the bumping mechanic to get the kill IS an exploit.

My objection to hi sec freighter ganking is that it cannot be defended against.

Scout ahead? Scout for what exactly? The gankers don't sit in the system, they warp in after the freighter has been bumped to stop it aligning. That's just stupid game mechanics, like knocking a jumbo jet off course by flying a cessna close to it.

Don't carry any cargo worth more than a half a billion? Even if that supposedly helps it renders frieghters totally useless as a ship class. Is that by design? I don't think so.

I've lost a freighter to this exploit, and yes, using the bumping mechanic to get the kill IS an exploit. I wasn't AFK, yes I CAN afford to lose it, no I'm not stupid and no, I'm not whining about losing a ship, I really don't give a XXXX. I have however still cancelled my accounts as I am not comfortable with the game mechanic that allows a freighter to be killed so easily with zero risk.

Flame me all you like about 'rage quitting' but it's nothing like that. If you see what you think is a flaw which spoils a game for you then you stop playing it, no matter what game it is.

And no, you can't have my stuff before some highly unoriginal child asks.

I feel bad for you. It doesn't help though. I spent 45 minutes getting mauled over by the forum patrol. It was 45 minutes wasted.

I'll just leave this here...

when people say 'no risk' in regards to suicide ganking for profit I think what they are usually trying to say is that for the gankers they're able to calculate the number of ships and DPS to almost be assured of a successful gank

it's still a wrong thing to say, of course, i imagine it's pretty easy to foul up a gank because three people disconnected halfway through and one was burping the worm when the call went out

besides if they took the effort to organise and calculate the odds of success i think they're entitled to a reward

also it's possible that the gankers fail because the freighter/barge took some basic precautio- oh

gankers calculate how much dps is needed to take down a freighter, and thus how much loot has to be in a freighter for it to be worth ganking.

why can't freighter pilots do the same calculation and then work out how much loot is the limit to carry before they become a space pinata?

are freighter pilots unable to do basic mathematics?

Is GS still sponsoring as well? I could toss 2-3B into a "revival", just to spice up Christmas.

Do the same line of reasoning for mining barges, and see how that worked out. You can probably assume that the same thing is going to happen for freighters.

I'll just leave this here...

i'm not so sure.

mining barges needed rebalancing, regardless of hulkageddon and ganking. also the crucial difference is that an EMPTY exhumer was profitable to gank. is an empty freighter profitable to gank?

there are some subtle but important differences.

i'm not so sure.

mining barges needed rebalancing, regardless of hulkageddon and ganking. also the crucial difference is that an EMPTY exhumer was profitable to gank. is an empty freighter profitable to gank?

there are some subtle but important differences.

I am fully aware that is not against the rules so the use of the word "exploit" was probably misleading.

What I meant is that being able to bump a freighter with a ship the size of a spec of dust is quitely frankly ludicrous and it's this game mechanic that needs looking at.

I'm not in any way suggesting making hi sec 'safer' or stopping anyones fun who wants to shoot things.

I own a freighter and have frequently moved billions of ISK worth of stuff with it. Never lost one.

If your freighters died, they died either in Niarja or Uedema. In other words use a scout through those two systems.
Very very few people suicide ganks freighters anywhere else.



Hahaha. No offence, and I agree with you in general by the way, but your talking **** there. If a freighter pilot wants to earn any ISK, he needs to move as much value as possible each trip, otherwise it's not worth buying the freighter for.

I am fully aware that is not against the rules so the use of the word "exploit" was probably misleading.

What I meant is that being able to bump a freighter with a ship the size of a spec of dust is quitely frankly ludicrous and it's this game mechanic that needs looking at.

I'm not in any way suggesting making hi sec 'safer' or stopping anyones fun who wants to shoot things.

I am fully aware that is not against the rules so the use of the word "exploit" was probably misleading.

What I meant is that being able to bump a freighter with a ship the size of a spec of dust is quitely frankly ludicrous and it's this game mechanic that needs looking at.

I'm not in any way suggesting making hi sec 'safer' or stopping anyones fun who wants to shoot things.

Hahaha. No offence, and I agree with you in general by the way, but your talking **** there. If a freighter pilot wants to earn any ISK, he needs to move as much value as possible each trip, otherwise it's not worth buying the freighter for.

Barges were only profitable if they fitted no tank and full rack of t2 mining lasers and MLU. Just about every subcap can be ganked for profit if they fit no tank and have a t2 fitting.

Solution: haul to system before uedama, niara etc, split it into multiple runs, and combine back into one run after that, or use an escort for the one jump. vOv

Hahaha. No offence, and I agree with you in general by the way, but your talking **** there. If a freighter pilot wants to earn any ISK, he needs to move as much value as possible each trip, otherwise it's not worth buying the freighter for.

yes, however to gank most of those other ships you need something other than a 14 day old character in a catalyst.

i doubt you'd be able to take down an untanked damnation with the same setup. could you?

I really hope the Devs are reading this.

You clearly don't appreciate how fucken stupid that sounds.

Remove cargo scanners from the game. Instant risk vs. reward balance for suicide ganking

Freighters don't need an EHP buff.

Really? Because I am 100% sure that any freighter carrying a certain amount of of loot will be scanned going out of Jita and anything above a certain level will probably get ganked if they pass through certain systems. If you are below that level you shouldn't have a problem with suicide gankers.

And on the subject of making money through the freight trade, how did these people make the isk to get a freighter in the first place? There are 1000's of different ways to make isk and freight is probably at the bottom of that for lucrative isk making machines. If you insist on doing this boring, boring trade, pick your contracts and only take ones that don't risk your freighter dying. 1.5billion isk losses must cut into your profit margin quite a bit.

I really hope the Devs are reading this.

You clearly don't appreciate how fucken stupid that sounds.

Really? Because I am 100% sure that any freighter carrying a certain amount of of loot will be scanned going out of Jita and anything above a certain level will probably get ganked if they pass through certain systems. If you are below that level you shouldn't have a problem with suicide gankers.

And on the subject of making money through the freight trade, how did these people make the isk to get a freighter in the first place? There are 1000's of different ways to make isk and freight is probably at the bottom of that for lucrative isk making machines. If you insist on doing this boring, boring trade, pick your contracts and only take ones that don't risk your freighter dying. 1.5billion isk losses must cut into your profit margin quite a bit.

Jita is a different bag of bolts.
They don't gank there for a reason. More Sentry that hit a lot harder and instant response from concord. EVE has always been in gross favor of offense over defense. I was looking at one of the kills and 6 guys took down a Providence. They even scrambled it so as to disrupt the warp. The thing with a freighter is, you can take 90 seconds to get to warp out but if you lose your wapr status you drop to near 0 speed almost right away. It's also what makes bumping so good. Bump and it isn't that it breaks the alignment, it's that it kills your speed climb back to stand still.

Goons are exploiting very old mechanics. Plain and simple.

Why? Because it means having to actually expend effort other than "drag to cargohold, set autopilot, undock, activate autopilot and go back to watching hentai"?

I split up my load every time I fear I might exceed the limit for being ganked, I see it as entirely logical to do this to limit my exposure. vOv

Please link the text that states bumping is against the rules.

Don't politic me.
You are sploiting.

14 freighters/jf suicide ganked in empire last 24h by just handful of ships in every gank. 10 bc do it easily or 20 destroyers... this thing is just escalating by day. ccp time to do something about easiness and huge profit and neglible risk suicideganking these big ships offers.

Increasing the value of the cargo increases the risk of the loss. The only limit to how much you can carry is the size of your cargo bay. If you want to carry 1.5B, and can carry 1.5B, and the payoff is worth the risk, then why shouldn't they haul it? If they CHOOSE to haul it, however, knowing the inherent risk, and they lose it, then they can't complain.

It's not stupid to carry valuable cargoes - it fits in with the risk vs reward mechanic quite nicely, actually. It's only stupid to assume that you'll be safe doing so, and not take every precaution possible to minimise that risk as much as possible.

Again, plese show us what rules we are supposedly breaking.

That's my point, no one in this thread really has a right to complain about it because they've made stupid, careless decisions and are facing the consequences.

Which is probably stems from their everyday life where they are very rarely acknowledged and usually overlooked and ignored. Which in turn is likely justified because they have no redeeming qualities in their personality , have no ability to take any kind of responsibility for their failures and refuse to approach any issues with an objective view.

Again, plese show us what rules we are supposedly breaking.

Is GS still sponsoring as well? I could toss 2-3B into a "revival", just to spice up Christmas.

Goons are exploiting very old mechanics. Plain and simple.

Correct me if I'm mistaken, but previously you were stating that it was stupid to carry more than this apparently perceived "limit" - it's not stupid, it's risky.

oh 2-3 b only? you can easily Madoff like 2-3 t.

14 freighters/jf suicide ganked in empire last 24h by just handful of ships in every gank. 10 bc do it easily or 20 destroyers... this thing is just escalating by day. ccp time to do something about easiness and huge profit and neglible risk suicideganking these big ships offers.

It's risky until you get ganked, then it's stupid.

There's no exploit being utilized.

If it's so easy, why aren't more people doing it?

Development teams implement mechanics in context. Much like your quoting style, you have an adept ability to rip those mechanics out of their context and hack them to death. It's exploit like any use of the definition.

In that respect GS have the upper hand. They show how broken EVE is. I'm sure CCP would just as soon see them do it in other ways but it all comes out in the wash.

Correct me if I'm mistaken, but previously you were stating that it was stupid to carry more than this apparently perceived "limit" - it's not stupid, it's risky. There's a difference. If you play smart, you can minimise the risk by either reducing your cargo, or utilising any number of methods for safer transit from one system to another while maintaining the maximum possible cargo.

Also, people need to stop translating how people play the game as how people live their real lives - the two are not one and the same. While I agree that freighter pilots need to stop bitching, I stand firmly against your assumption that any one of them is incapable of taking responsibility of their real life. This is just a game, so please try to keep that in mind before you go libelling people expatiously.

Sure you could call it "risky" if you so desired, but there is a point where "risky" becomes stupidity. I mean carrying 20billion isk worth of stuff on autopilot is stupidity. Moving 32 plexes in a freighter is stupidity. Carrying 6 months worth of moon goo is stupidity.

The excuse "it's a game" goes out the window once you log into these forums and start complaining about completely legitimate game mechanics that have been around for as long as eve has been running. There is no substantial criticism about the current state of freighter ganking, nor is there people providing viable solutions to the problem. So i stand firmly behind what i said.

Explain to us how it's an exploit, then, and how you would like it to be fixed.

And before we lose sight of what's important here, so about that presumed "all trit freighter", where's the killmail for it?

I explained how it's an exploited use of the mechanic.
Ships lose velocity when they are jammed or bumped at a different rate than they gain it. Knowing that you can hold a ship as long as you need to in order to kill it.

tons of tinfoil

I don't have a tin foil hat on.

Why, you want to buy him off?

Will it be 10 billion this time around too?

Why, you want to buy him off?

Will it be 10 billion this time around too?

You wanted the spot light you got it.

The greatest thing about an EULA is, it pretty much says CCP can make it up as they go. I hate to hate anyone but I know a rat when I see it.

So, I just spoke to the GM Team regarding this to get some clarification:

Firstly, people who are bumped always have the right to petition. It is the right of any player who feels that they want to petition an issue to do so.

However, with regards to the rules in EVE Online our current view is:

• Bumping is not considered harassment.
• Bumping is not considered griefing.
• Bumping is not against the rules.

It's actually been used for a long time to prevent warping as a rudimentary form of tackling when you don't have a point, or don't have sufficient disruption strength to keep someone pinned.

Along with that, the people that are doing this for the best part are in player corporations. If you don't like what they're doing, declare war on them so that you can punish them, or pay a merc corp to do so on your behalf if you don't want to fight.

There are plenty of options to counter this, if you use your imagination.

Let's get one thing straight here, I'm not making excuses. It's a fact. People are wrong to criticize the game mechanics, but that's all they are - wrong. You have no right to visit the personalities or mental states of people you know nothing about. It is ellitist, immature, and quite frankly unnecessary if you have a good argument to counter their criticism with. What you said about these people was absolutely disgraceful. By making such pithy remarks about people, you are doing your arguments a disservice, and discrediting yourself as a civilised and legitimate member of the EVE community.

You know the entire manufacturing structure of EVE is in Jita due to the proximity to all the technetium, you know anyone not in your NAP train needs to run freighters through Niarja and Eudama. You know that even if the random neutral is caught up in it, none of that matters to you.

You control the game. Because of systems made years ago using an engine that wasn't made to run the EVE it sits on now, you control the game. You manipulate markets, you manipulate T2, you manipulate traffic lanes. CCP are powerless to stop it. They hope for a miracle from the player base but in the end, you control the game.

And before we lose sight of what's important here, so about that presumed "all trit freighter", where's the killmail for it?

Because the rest of us aren't antisocial sociopaths with no empathy.

Null isn't a Call of Duty match, it is about finding the high ground and taking it, putting people in a jam. Using strategy beyond Drakes and Rokhs to win wars. Though of course then the complaint is they have more, repaint your recruiting office then. The game you are looking for is Call of Duty.

Empathizing with the buffalo won't get you a meal or a nice coat.

Yes, I've seen that one, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was that one, but that's still just 202227.25m3. The guy claimed it was a full freighter of nothing but trit. So I'm still calling "it doesn't exist" until someone coughs up a proper, api-verified killmail with nothing but trit in it.

Yes, I've seen that one, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was that one, but that's still just 202227.25m3. The guy claimed it was a full freighter of nothing but trit. So I'm still calling "it doesn't exist" until someone coughs up a proper, api-verified killmail with nothing but trit in it.

idk, stop sucking or something.

I've been monitoring the killboards and nothings shown up recently with "just trit". Is it even possible to have a value of a freighter that provides a chance of a reward when it contains only trit?

I'm not saying that you personally are making excuses, my comments were directed more towards the people actually making excuses in this thread. And as for my "rights" this is a forum for people to voice their opinions, there are plently of people making assumptions about peoples lives all throughout this forums, the game and everything else associated with eve. Just because i happen to hit a sore spot doesn't mean that I am "elitist" or "Immature" and saying I'm not going to make it as a legitimate member of the "eve community" I really can't understand which community you mean.

Is it the people who whinge about nothing?
Is it the people who can't understand basic game mechanics?
Is it the people who have their heads up their ass?
The highsec carebears?
The faction warfare guys?
Is it the wormhole corps?
Is it the mission runners in 0.0?
Is it the sov warfare grunts?

(please enlighten me because I really want to know)


And I fit in quite well within my own social bubble in eve online and while I may not be a truly be a messiah of the people you should really understand that thousands of different people play this game. And there are a lot of different people from different cultures, upbringings, socioeconomic backgrounds, different jobs, ages, ways of life and many, many more differences among us. Maybe you need to accept the fact that some people won't agree with you on everything that you say or do. But one thing stays the same throughout the world; people who would rather point the blame finger at someone else than provide constructive arguments.

Yes, I've seen that one, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was that one, but that's still just 202227.25m3. The guy claimed it was a full freighter of nothing but trit. So I'm still calling "it doesn't exist" until someone coughs up a proper, api-verified killmail with nothing but trit in it.

That last part - you should keep it in mind the next time you want to refer to someone you don't know as having no personality. And you've been doing as much finger pointing and blaming. You were the one calling people stupid. I only need to go back a page or two to find the posts, but I think you know the one's I'm talking about. If you want to make constructive arguments, then why do you feel the need to inject such hostility? There's no point to it. Talk to people, don't antagonise them, and maybe they'll be more willing to listen. Or, antagonise them and watch them ignore you completely - seriously, what do you expect?

You hit no sore spot with me, but why you seem to think that's some kind of victory or something to achieve suggests that it is what you were trying to achieve to begin with, hence why I assume you have nothing constructive to offer that hasn't already been offered.

Ps. Remember after mining barges buf, some people swich to freigters... just becuse is easy to destroy, small buf for freigters would be nice, but come on, even buf cant protect silly pilots.

You know the entire manufacturing structure of EVE is in Jita due to the proximity to all the technetium...

Yes, the reason that Jita is the game's main trade hub is because of technetium and goons. That's the only possible reason.

Which is probably stems from their everyday life where they are very rarely acknowledged and usually overlooked and ignored. Which in turn is likely justified because they have no redeeming qualities in their personality , have no ability to take any kind of responsibility for their failures and refuse to approach any issues with an objective view.

Get a room, you two.

Get a room, you two.

I've been monitoring the killboards and nothings shown up recently with "just trit". Is it even possible to have a value of a freighter that provides a chance of a reward when it contains only trit?

To some degree but EVE is an old game and has a very bad reputation for being full of antisocial misfits. Like you.

You damage EVE when EVE needs new blood. You are selfish. You could be in any 0.0 sec doing roams, not to take Sov, just for PvP. No, you chose to sit in one system and exploit human flaw and ruin a game for others. You won't be missed. You won't be welcome in any other MMO either. They would put you out on your ear in the blink of an eye.

You twist EVE in to something it wasn't supposed to be. A place with a complete lack of common sense or dignity.

Keep your stuff. Donate it to one of the people you griefed.

Hmm, what's been the lowest cargo freigther gank done in the last 2 months?
If it's >= 1B then the game is not broken.

We do gank red freighters and JFs for much less.

You'd be stupid to have a freighter full of only trit instead of compressing it in to T1 large guns. which is done to transport trit.

"Which is probably stems from their everyday life where they are very rarely acknowledged and usually overlooked and ignored."

You don't know anything about their everyday life.

"Which in turn is likely justified because they have no redeeming qualities in their personality"

You don't know enough about their personality to make this either a justification or a conclusion.

"have no ability to take any kind of responsibility for their failures and refuse to approach any issues with an objective view"

Now, I can see why this would be relevant if you were talking specifically about using the forums to complain instead of doing something about their problems in-game, but when you start your post with "probably stems from their everyday life" it becomes antagonistic and presumptuous, and not just a little arrogant.

Those kinds of posts are disgusting, and they don't reflect well on your argument at all.

We do gank red freighters and JFs for much less.

You've raised those points already and I believe I've provided suitable rebuttals to counter your arguments. There is really nothing left to say to you but I shall provide you with some light viewing that you might find informative and skills that provide you with the tools to argue properly, both on the internet and in real life.

The "straw man" fallacy.


Also i'm down to get rid of this sexual tension. Bring some lotion unless you want me to go in dry.

So, in other words, the only way to "fix this exploit" is to completely remove any and all bumping in the game?

I've lost a freighter to this exploit, and yes, using the bumping mechanic to get the kill IS an exploit.

Bumping should be allowed, it should just make more sense. A frigate going 5km/s should explode into scrap when it flies directly into a freighter. Contrast this with what actually occurs in game right now.

Now picture the undock at Jita 4-4 as small ships come flying out and bumping into larger ones... or as ships are warping in to bookmarked points at the undock. Just picture the chaos... the death and destruction ;) that is, if you are suggesting collision damage, there are a wide range of physics issues that would have to be tended to to implement these ships "exploding into scrap" and it's just not cost effective when there are already means available to players to avoid being bumped. Such as not being AFK, or on AP.

And I still make more sense than you, clinging to this half baked idea that EVE can work when people don't use self control to restrict the damage they do. I'm out numbered here, being ganked in to the ground and while I do care, not enough to fight battles CCP have chosen not to fight.

If it's OK with them, it's OK with me. You still missed the point in me debating you. Maybe EVE is healthy as a horse. If so, carry on. Maybe this is what they want.

I am imagining Cribba putting the Veldnaught in siege mode with Reppers in front of the Amarr dock. People coming online and undocking into the side of it like throwing eggs on a barn.

Now picture the undock at Jita 4-4 as small ships come flying out and bumping into larger ones... or as ships are warping in to bookmarked points at the undock. Just picture the chaos... the death and destruction ;) that is, if you are suggesting collision damage, there are a wide range of physics issues that would have to be tended to to implement these ships "exploding into scrap" and it's just not cost effective when there are already means available to players to avoid being bumped. Such as not being AFK, or on AP.

Now picture the undock at Jita 4-4 as small ships come flying out and bumping into larger ones... or as ships are warping in to bookmarked points at the undock. Just picture the chaos... the death and destruction ;) that is, if you are suggesting collision damage, there are a wide range of physics issues that would have to be tended to to implement these ships "exploding into scrap" and it's just not cost effective when there are already means available to players to avoid being bumped. Such as not being AFK, or on AP.

Ah yes, the jita undock strawman argument, brought out every single time someone suggests collision damage. If someone actually says "just implement collision damage, it's just 3 lines of code", then yes, that's a reasonably reply. If the person you're responding to doesn't say something like that, then assuming that the implementation of collision damage won't in some fashion address the jita 4-4 undock, when just that has been mentioned over 656 quintillion times on the forums, is so naive as to definitively fall into the strawman fallacy category.