I own a freighter and have frequently moved billions of ISK worth of stuff with it. Never lost one.

If your freighters died, they died either in Niarja or Uedema. In other words use a scout through those two systems.
Very very few people suicide ganks freighters anywhere else.



Hahaha. No offence, and I agree with you in general by the way, but your talking **** there. If a freighter pilot wants to earn any ISK, he needs to move as much value as possible each trip, otherwise it's not worth buying the freighter for.

I am fully aware that is not against the rules so the use of the word "exploit" was probably misleading.

What I meant is that being able to bump a freighter with a ship the size of a spec of dust is quitely frankly ludicrous and it's this game mechanic that needs looking at.

I'm not in any way suggesting making hi sec 'safer' or stopping anyones fun who wants to shoot things.

I am fully aware that is not against the rules so the use of the word "exploit" was probably misleading.

What I meant is that being able to bump a freighter with a ship the size of a spec of dust is quitely frankly ludicrous and it's this game mechanic that needs looking at.

I'm not in any way suggesting making hi sec 'safer' or stopping anyones fun who wants to shoot things.

Hahaha. No offence, and I agree with you in general by the way, but your talking **** there. If a freighter pilot wants to earn any ISK, he needs to move as much value as possible each trip, otherwise it's not worth buying the freighter for.

Barges were only profitable if they fitted no tank and full rack of t2 mining lasers and MLU. Just about every subcap can be ganked for profit if they fit no tank and have a t2 fitting.

Solution: haul to system before uedama, niara etc, split it into multiple runs, and combine back into one run after that, or use an escort for the one jump. vOv

Hahaha. No offence, and I agree with you in general by the way, but your talking **** there. If a freighter pilot wants to earn any ISK, he needs to move as much value as possible each trip, otherwise it's not worth buying the freighter for.

yes, however to gank most of those other ships you need something other than a 14 day old character in a catalyst.

i doubt you'd be able to take down an untanked damnation with the same setup. could you?

I really hope the Devs are reading this.

You clearly don't appreciate how fucken stupid that sounds.

Remove cargo scanners from the game. Instant risk vs. reward balance for suicide ganking

Freighters don't need an EHP buff.

Really? Because I am 100% sure that any freighter carrying a certain amount of of loot will be scanned going out of Jita and anything above a certain level will probably get ganked if they pass through certain systems. If you are below that level you shouldn't have a problem with suicide gankers.

And on the subject of making money through the freight trade, how did these people make the isk to get a freighter in the first place? There are 1000's of different ways to make isk and freight is probably at the bottom of that for lucrative isk making machines. If you insist on doing this boring, boring trade, pick your contracts and only take ones that don't risk your freighter dying. 1.5billion isk losses must cut into your profit margin quite a bit.

I really hope the Devs are reading this.

You clearly don't appreciate how fucken stupid that sounds.

Really? Because I am 100% sure that any freighter carrying a certain amount of of loot will be scanned going out of Jita and anything above a certain level will probably get ganked if they pass through certain systems. If you are below that level you shouldn't have a problem with suicide gankers.

And on the subject of making money through the freight trade, how did these people make the isk to get a freighter in the first place? There are 1000's of different ways to make isk and freight is probably at the bottom of that for lucrative isk making machines. If you insist on doing this boring, boring trade, pick your contracts and only take ones that don't risk your freighter dying. 1.5billion isk losses must cut into your profit margin quite a bit.

Jita is a different bag of bolts.
They don't gank there for a reason. More Sentry that hit a lot harder and instant response from concord. EVE has always been in gross favor of offense over defense. I was looking at one of the kills and 6 guys took down a Providence. They even scrambled it so as to disrupt the warp. The thing with a freighter is, you can take 90 seconds to get to warp out but if you lose your wapr status you drop to near 0 speed almost right away. It's also what makes bumping so good. Bump and it isn't that it breaks the alignment, it's that it kills your speed climb back to stand still.

Goons are exploiting very old mechanics. Plain and simple.

Why? Because it means having to actually expend effort other than "drag to cargohold, set autopilot, undock, activate autopilot and go back to watching hentai"?

I split up my load every time I fear I might exceed the limit for being ganked, I see it as entirely logical to do this to limit my exposure. vOv

Please link the text that states bumping is against the rules.

Don't politic me.
You are sploiting.

14 freighters/jf suicide ganked in empire last 24h by just handful of ships in every gank. 10 bc do it easily or 20 destroyers... this thing is just escalating by day. ccp time to do something about easiness and huge profit and neglible risk suicideganking these big ships offers.

Increasing the value of the cargo increases the risk of the loss. The only limit to how much you can carry is the size of your cargo bay. If you want to carry 1.5B, and can carry 1.5B, and the payoff is worth the risk, then why shouldn't they haul it? If they CHOOSE to haul it, however, knowing the inherent risk, and they lose it, then they can't complain.

It's not stupid to carry valuable cargoes - it fits in with the risk vs reward mechanic quite nicely, actually. It's only stupid to assume that you'll be safe doing so, and not take every precaution possible to minimise that risk as much as possible.

Again, plese show us what rules we are supposedly breaking.

That's my point, no one in this thread really has a right to complain about it because they've made stupid, careless decisions and are facing the consequences.

Which is probably stems from their everyday life where they are very rarely acknowledged and usually overlooked and ignored. Which in turn is likely justified because they have no redeeming qualities in their personality , have no ability to take any kind of responsibility for their failures and refuse to approach any issues with an objective view.

Again, plese show us what rules we are supposedly breaking.

Is GS still sponsoring as well? I could toss 2-3B into a "revival", just to spice up Christmas.

Goons are exploiting very old mechanics. Plain and simple.

Correct me if I'm mistaken, but previously you were stating that it was stupid to carry more than this apparently perceived "limit" - it's not stupid, it's risky.

oh 2-3 b only? you can easily Madoff like 2-3 t.

14 freighters/jf suicide ganked in empire last 24h by just handful of ships in every gank. 10 bc do it easily or 20 destroyers... this thing is just escalating by day. ccp time to do something about easiness and huge profit and neglible risk suicideganking these big ships offers.

It's risky until you get ganked, then it's stupid.