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Dewa Cinta
painkiller.
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Posted - 2012.12.17 15:31:00 -
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Hmmm, everybody thinks its a bad idea.
Get the hint? |
Theresa Lamont
Rogue Fleet
56
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Posted - 2012.12.17 16:41:00 -
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This arena/simulator concept may have a very high potential as a player retention factor (and probably even attraction). I just look at World of Tanks`s "arranged fights" and it seems to have a lot of success. However, what would be the impact in Eve if this would be implemented? What would be the repercussion on Eve`s economy (less real ships being blown up)? How would this affect the number of real "targets" flying around. Roaming gangs will surely have a harder time finding people to shoot at (but do people like to roam in the 1st place or they just want to have a fight?). CCP needs to evaluate this carefully before implementing this.
The idea has its merits and sounds very interesting. To reject it without really considering its impact on the game is not very serious however, I think everyone agrees that a big change like this will have a major impact on the game. Good or bad, it remains to be seen. Also, CCP should not hold itself in undertaking major game changes just because of a significant amount of programming needs to be done. That argument is not a very good one in my opinion. Players, eventually, want to see major changes in "their" game. Small tweaks & improvements (even good) can still, with time, slowly kill your player base. The competition will sooner or later come up with something better then what you are providing. And that is when you will have serious issues in attracting and keeping your players. |
Imports Plus
Brothel of Slating Intellectual Lusts
144
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Posted - 2012.12.17 17:02:00 -
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It is the players job to organize and implement such a thing in the sandbox. These walls and borders and structures you guys keep begging CCP for keep shrinking and shrinking the sandbox. In a perfect game there would be nothing but tools for building and destroying with zero developer content- 100% player created content. Make it so. Take the training wheels off. Ron Paul 2016. |
Arec Bardwin
806
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Posted - 2012.12.17 17:15:00 -
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The day I can grind honor points to spend on special 'arena' pvp gear and compete in the ingame pvp ladder I will cancel all my accounts. |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
824
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Posted - 2012.12.17 17:16:00 -
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Arena's.... no thank you!!!!
A mechanic to create a limited engagement between two pilots (and hence 1v1's), HELL YES...
A tool to help create tournaments.... I don't know.... this sounds like arena's to me... Besides, doesn't the test server allow for this?? |
Viktor Fel
Dred Nots
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Posted - 2012.12.17 17:29:00 -
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Arenas? What an idiotic idea. Tears, I harvest them. |
bartos100
Living Ghost
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Posted - 2012.12.17 17:40:00 -
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i like the idea of arena's but only if they are owned and run by player corps that way there are still ways to disrupt it :) |
Mathrin
Synthetic Solution Synthetic Systems
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Posted - 2012.12.17 17:42:00 -
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Dear lord NO. This goes against everything eve stands for. If you want an area make one yourself (see RVB) |
Sara XIII
The Carnifex Corp
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Posted - 2012.12.17 17:45:00 -
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Last time I was in an arena I got beat to death by fish wielding rogue.
My self-esteem can't handle another such blow......
No
Between Ignorance and Wisdom |
baltec1
Bat Country
3337
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Posted - 2012.12.17 18:04:00 -
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Theresa Lamont wrote:
The idea has its merits and sounds very interesting. To reject it without really considering its impact on the game is not very serious however, I think everyone agrees that a big change like this will have a major impact on the game. Good or bad, it remains to be seen.
We have seen what happened in other MMOs. The PVP outside the arena died out in a matter of days because it is so much easier to get fights at the press of a button. |
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
671
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Posted - 2012.12.17 18:11:00 -
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EVE has an arena, it's called "everywhere but High Sec", y'all should try it sometimes. |
Theresa Lamont
Rogue Fleet
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Posted - 2012.12.17 18:15:00 -
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baltec1 wrote: We have seen what happened in other MMOs. The PVP outside the arena died out in a matter of days because it is so much easier to get fights at the press of a button.
Highly possible. You have examples? |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
2140
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Posted - 2012.12.17 18:20:00 -
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Theresa Lamont wrote:baltec1 wrote: We have seen what happened in other MMOs. The PVP outside the arena died out in a matter of days because it is so much easier to get fights at the press of a button. Highly possible. You have examples? I quit it by the time they introduced arenas, but I've heard about it: Runescape. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com |
cBOLTSON
Star Frontiers THORN Alliance
102
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Posted - 2012.12.17 18:26:00 -
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I agree. I mean like you said people are already trying to game the system to achieve this. You also have entities like RvB which sort of make arenas.
Thing is EVE is meant to be a living breathing universe. Why would they not have televised matches. Make it an isk sink, entertainment as well as a prestigious thing to have. You could have a 'top 10' like you do with the bounty system. "Were not elitists, were just tired of fail" - The Sorn |
Cynthia Gallente
Bio's Holdings Bio's Remnant.
858
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Posted - 2012.12.17 18:26:00 -
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Toshiroma McDiesel wrote:Phil Da Agony wrote:YEAH! Put arenas and let us bet ISK there, but please, the fights will involve only npc ships.
Ty CCP. Again, this is something that can be set up and run completely by players. (and the chances for meta gaming would be interesting) This is the best post in this whole thread, why are people overlooking this? Post with your lickGäó |
Tribunia
Ducks of Death
2
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Posted - 2012.12.17 18:37:00 -
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I dont like the term "arena" and it shouldnt only be for the pleasure of the involved parties only. If this thing is going into the game it needs to be packaged as some sort of sport that you can place bets on and earn ISK.
I m also for other in-game sports for betting, whatever they might be. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
216
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Posted - 2012.12.17 18:39:00 -
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OMG, how about resilience? And some pillars? Also put resilience in!
/facepalm If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |
highonpop
Eve Liberation Force Fatal Ascension
407
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Posted - 2012.12.17 18:49:00 -
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Ocih wrote:baltec1 wrote:Every time an arena is added to an MMO all the other pvp dies. You do realize it's dead in EVE too? An Arena wouldn't stop the T1 Industrial farming at low sec bottlenecks or PvE fit kill mails in anoms. Outside of those and random roaming kills, there is no PvP in EVE.
not to be mean.
but you're an idiot
pvp is dead?
do you follow eve-kill.net?
do you follow battleclinic's killboard?
pvp is alive and well. just because you can't think outside the box you've put your small brain inside, doesn't mean pvp is dead.
http://www.soundboard.com/sb/Very%20best%20of%20Makalu%20Zarya
R.I.P Vile Rat http://evemaps.dotlan.net/live/Outpost/Rename/2012-09-12 |
baltec1
Bat Country
3338
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Posted - 2012.12.17 19:18:00 -
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Theresa Lamont wrote:baltec1 wrote: We have seen what happened in other MMOs. The PVP outside the arena died out in a matter of days because it is so much easier to get fights at the press of a button. Highly possible. You have examples? Restus in SWG. The moment it hit pvp everywhere else died.
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Anemonae Ambrosia
Royal Order of Security Specialists Late Night Alliance
5
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Posted - 2012.12.17 20:01:00 -
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Instead of the OPs idea how about you just allow two pilots to willing enter a Limited Engagement with the same rules as now for the LE. Then let the players take that and turn it into whatever they want. RvB didn't kill PvP, can flipping for 1v1s didn't kill PvP, so this won't. It will just be another tool in the sandbox we can use to do some new things |
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Desert Ice78
Cobra Kai Dojo WHY so Seri0Us
177
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Posted - 2012.12.17 20:08:00 -
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In my opinion, the very next (small) step after creating dedicated PvP "Arena's" in hi-sec, is having PvP ONLY in said "Arena's."
Also, in my opinion, there is a whole world of PvP to be had; just find yourself a low-sec gate and enjoy. I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused. |
Viktor Fel
Dred Nots
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Posted - 2012.12.17 20:40:00 -
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PvP is very easy to find in EVE. It is an ideal sandbox for it in fact. I do not believe that segregated arenas are an answer or should even be entertained. Some one mentioned SWGs' fail in this regard and it is true. One could also mentio nthe lameness of LOTROs' PVP system as an example of how arena stuff is pretty much fail. Tears, I harvest them. |
Nytak
Ivar School of Galactic Brotherhood
4
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Posted - 2012.12.17 21:12:00 -
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Arenas in EVE??
Man, never thought I'd be offering this kinda advice but...
WOW is -------------------------------> That'a'way |
mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
204
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Posted - 2012.12.17 21:43:00 -
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Hell no!
I might support some light game support for player run events (like an "arena" can that marks players who have left a certain boundary), but totally taking the risk away? It would cheapen the game greatly. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1942
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Posted - 2012.12.17 21:51:00 -
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Nytak wrote:Arenas in EVE??
Man, never thought I'd be offering this kinda advice but...
WOW is -------------------------------> That'a'way Grinding PvP in WOW arenas, cold and harsh. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Kalissis
9
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Posted - 2012.12.17 22:30:00 -
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Arenas will break Eve and harm it even more as titan bridges and passive income (tech) do/did.
Simple solution to more fun pvp: remove titan bridges and passive income --> DONE! Eve will be alive again. |
Pretty GuyYeah
67
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Posted - 2012.12.17 22:33:00 -
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We need a battleground queue, so we can queue up anywhere. Then we enter the fight and take a break from missions, etc, and when it's over we respawn in warp where we entered the queue. We don't lose our ship of course!
Splendid idea, +1! Post with your main.
A legend walks among us, a genius so significant he so dares to degrade himself as camouflage when you dispute. |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
785
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Posted - 2012.12.17 22:38:00 -
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A R E N A was a horrible combination of letters to use.
Stop thinking WoW battleground guys.
Think sanctioned fights that you can bet on and watch. The EVE tournaments, but with more player control.
Stop thinking WoW and think EVE. |
Luke Visteen
Apostasy Prime
118
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Posted - 2012.12.17 22:40:00 -
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ccp could implement a tetris or farmville clone that could be played on the widescreens in stations .... I don't always do. But when I do - I do. |
Lord Wiggin
Furian Necromongers
37
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Posted - 2012.12.17 22:56:00 -
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The reason I think this would work, and even help the game:
Currently, the people sitting around waiting to gank suspects are not looking for 1 vs 1, they are looking for ganks.
Most of the suspects are now simply trying to use the system to gain a 1 vs 1, that thinks he has help...and doesn't....
And this is EvE, combat takes many forms in EVE, I doubt this would have an effect on any of them.
The only thing Arenas would be provide for is honor duels, where the players set the rules, and no outside interference is possible. Add to that a betting mini-game, that involves the community, and I think it would help the provide a more cohesive highsec experience in the long run. Low sec and 0.0 each have their own set of rules, and don't need or want an Arena. This is about High-sec, and the long term evolution of the game. Lowsec and 0.0 people constantly complain about wanting more people to come to 0.0, why not introduce a vanilla version of small pvp to Highsec, get them to watch it, and maybe get involved themselves.....wouldn't this be a win for all secs?
To be perfectly honest, I don't know that I would use an Arena that much, but I would certainly bet on the battles.
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