Get out.

it's called lowsec and 0.0. try it sometime.

it's called lowsec and 0.0. try it sometime.

I think he wants PvP where he isn't being jumped by the gank-alot bear every time.

Every time an arena is added to an MMO all the other pvp dies.

Every time an arena is added to an MMO all the other pvp dies.

Get out.

You do realize it's dead in EVE too?

YEAH! Put arenas and let us bet ISK there, but please, the fights will involve only npc ships.

Ty CCP.

Put Arenas in the major hubs, allow players to arrange matches. Televise the match's in local and perhaps in CQ's. (I want my remote CCP)
Set up a betting system, with the house taking a cut. Part of the house cut goes to Isk prizes for the winner, based on a percentage of the take, so that the betting interest in the match directly affects the payout.
Isk sink....

I was never in favor of Arenas, I felt they would be game breaking, but after watching people attempt to manipulate the suspect system to get 1 vs 1 day after day, maybe it's time.
Outside of an Arena, there is no way to ensure a 1 vs 1. This solves the issue, provides passive entertainment for the couch potato/ship spinner types, as well as an isk sink.
With the number of gambling sites run by players, isn't it time CCP got in on the action?

Its so dead that the CFC has a dosen fleets up at any one time all getting fights.

Get out.

No, you are getting kills. The kind I mentioned before you hacked up my reply in your misquote. Industrial and PvE kills. You would continue to get those with an Arena because I can't haul trit through an Arena or grind ISK in an arena. Give it up, PvP is dead in this game.

It already exists, it is called the test sever. Go there.

No, you are getting kills. The kind I mentioned before you hacked up my reply in your misquote. Industrial and PvE kills. You would continue to get those with an Arena because I can't haul trit through an Arena or grind ISK in an arena. Give it up, PvP is dead in this game.

You do realize it's dead in EVE too?

An Arena wouldn't stop the T1 Industrial farming at low sec bottlenecks or PvE fit kill mails in anoms. Outside of those and random roaming kills, there is no PvP in EVE.

It's a good idea. Don't let the dedicate griefer entitlement gang tell you otherwise.

The idea isn't without merit, but would have to be done very carefully in a game such as Eve.

I would like to see us provide more and better support and tools for those players who are running or want to run their own tournaments and leagues. I think the Alliance Tournaments and New Eden Open have proved there's a place for sporting events in a game like Eve, and those kind of events are even better when they are player initiated and run.

PVP

is

dead

Nevermind the thousands of ships that get blown up doing it every single day...

The idea of a block of space that players can use that is immune from other players interacting with for their own benefit just doesn't seem very 'EVE' to me. In addition, there should be zero content available from doing it (no shield items, no BPs, no isk, no ships, etc) that is not player supplied or created. Such a system, with a leaderboard and official standings, will be exploited, pointless, and not worth the DEV's time to code.

"Not very EVE".

You mean that Sand box game that has a variety of things to do?

Or the Blob and grind, blow stuff uppy game where you spin ships 90% of the time?

Outside of an Arena, there is no way to ensure a 1 vs 1.

Put Arenas in the major hubs, allow players to arrange matches. Televise the match's in local and perhaps in CQ's. (I want my remote CCP)
Set up a betting system, with the house taking a cut. Part of the house cut goes to Isk prizes for the winner, based on a percentage of the take, so that the betting interest in the match directly affects the payout.
Isk sink....

I was never in favor of Arenas, I felt they would be game breaking, but after watching people attempt to manipulate the suspect system to get 1 vs 1 day after day, maybe it's time.
Outside of an Arena, there is no way to ensure a 1 vs 1. This solves the issue, provides passive entertainment for the couch potato/ship spinner types, as well as an isk sink.
With the number of gambling sites run by players, isn't it time CCP got in on the action?

EVE already has an arena like this and it's quite hard for people to find.
The easy way to tell if you have stumbled across it is to look at the top left corner of your screen, there will be a number there.
If it's 0.4 or lower, congratulations! You've found it.

The idea isn't without merit, but would have to be done very carefully in a game such as Eve.

I would like to see us provide more and better support and tools for those players who are running or want to run their own tournaments and leagues. I think the Alliance Tournaments and New Eden Open have proved there's a place for sporting events in a game like Eve, and those kind of events are even better when they are player initiated and run.

The idea isn't without merit, but would have to be done very carefully in a game such as Eve.

I would like to see us provide more and better support and tools for those players who are running or want to run their own tournaments and leagues. I think the Alliance Tournaments and New Eden Open have proved there's a place for sporting events in a game like Eve, and those kind of events are even better when they are player initiated and run.

You do realize if the griefers in this game can't interfere with these thing if players are running them they will need rage so hard.

Griefing is a bannable offence. If it won't get you banned then it's not griefing. Also, what is 'need rage'?

Probably meant "nerd rage".

Nobody cares about arenas or watching meaningless spaceship combat sports.

Focus on increasing and improving gameplay objectives for small and medium sized organisations, things to have real fights over.

Every time an arena is added to an MMO all the other pvp dies.

While I understand this is a topic that generates a lot of very extreme feelings from members of the Community, keep it civil and don't spam.

If you're going to contribute, do so in a coherent and civil manner. Posting one liners will be regarded as spam and treated as such.

The word 'Arena' however I hate

The idea isn't without merit, but would have to be done very carefully in a game such as Eve.

I would like to see us provide more and better support and tools for those players who are running or want to run their own tournaments and leagues. I think the Alliance Tournaments and New Eden Open have proved there's a place for sporting events in a game like Eve, and those kind of events are even better when they are player initiated and run.

[quote=Sura Sadiva]A portable mobile safe area bubble??? Are you serious?

Then why not just some isanced battleground with a queue when one can join and a countdown to start fights. "3, 2, 1... for the horde!"

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Because it sounds more real that way. Because there are allot of carebears that would love to blow some of their huge piles of ISK on this but will not otherwise via the low/null route or even high sec wars because of all the blobbing or the high sec shannanigans that the complex system allows.

The idea isn't without merit, but would have to be done very carefully in a game such as Eve.

I would like to see us provide more and better support and tools for those players who are running or want to run their own tournaments and leagues. I think the Alliance Tournaments and New Eden Open have proved there's a place for sporting events in a game like Eve, and those kind of events are even better when they are player initiated and run.

The idea isn't without merit, but would have to be done very carefully in a game such as Eve.

I would like to see us provide more and better support and tools for those players who are running or want to run their own tournaments and leagues. I think the Alliance Tournaments and New Eden Open have proved there's a place for sporting events in a game like Eve, and those kind of events are even better when they are player initiated and run.

The idea has its merits and sounds very interesting. To reject it without really considering its impact on the game is not very serious however, I think everyone agrees that a big change like this will have a major impact on the game. Good or bad, it remains to be seen.

We have seen what happened in other MMOs. The PVP outside the arena died out in a matter of days because it is so much easier to get fights at the press of a button.

Highly possible. You have examples?

Again, this is something that can be set up and run completely by players. (and the chances for meta gaming would be interesting)

You do realize it's dead in EVE too?

An Arena wouldn't stop the T1 Industrial farming at low sec bottlenecks or PvE fit kill mails in anoms. Outside of those and random roaming kills, there is no PvP in EVE.

Highly possible. You have examples?

Arenas in EVE??

Man, never thought I'd be offering this kinda advice but...


WOW is -------------------------------> That'a'way

ccp could implement a tetris or farmville clone that could be played on the widescreens in stations ....

The only thing Arenas would be provide for is honor duels, where the players set the rules, and no outside interference is possible.

This is about High-sec, and the long term evolution of the game.
Lowsec and 0.0 people constantly complain about wanting more people to come to 0.0, why not introduce a vanilla version of small pvp to Highsec, get them to watch it, and maybe get involved themselves.....wouldn't this be a win for all secs?

And please, stop to always talk about high sec people like they were some kind of subnormal always in need of some specific game mechanics to do anything:

"ah no but we have to change this to allow high sec people to do that" "we need to introduce this new mechanics cause they're idiots and couldn't do it" "here a special rule is needed for them retards"

... and so on.... Is not so, they're players abel to deal with EvE game settings like anyone else.

To play devils advocate; maybe a system like this would encourage some carebears to try their hand in low/null sec after a few victories?

To play devils advocate; maybe a system like this would encourage some carebears to try their hand in low/null sec after a few victories?

It's funny how almost everyone against it hints at the fact they will not be able to pray on the weak and lame. Fact is you will still catch the same amount of PVE ships at gates or trough probing, same amount of industrial ships, nothing is going away if this is introduced, all the PVP that is sought after just by one side will still be there. The ones that roam low/null now will roam after such a feature is introduced just like someone above pointed out happened after RvB and such.

Only thing missing is how it should be delivered. I am certain CCP will not release (if it ever comes to this) something that is as efficient as bounties where pre - Retribution.

- Risk free? hell no - 2 teams of 1 or more pilots each enters means there will be survivors only on one side if any(this is the hardest thing to implement I guess).
- No ranking system - this went out of fashion same time with powdered wigs
- Make the amount of isk required to start such a fixed match substantial enough as to encourage players to look at it mostly as an expensive training ground and make costs grow exponentially in relation to the number of ships involved in the brawl
-Make a betting system so involved parties or outside ones may bet on the outcome(also tax it)
-The loosing part should pay maybe a fee to the KSCO - Keep Space Clean Organization
-Create a wining terms set of rules with many options available(I haven't thought of any beside blow the other guy out of the sky)
-Make people register with Concord for a fee for a "gladiator" (I know I know) license
-Make so that this feature is only available in high and if any module(if any) should be necessary it only comes in a high sec version
- If a pilots corp is in a war either prevent them from participating in such matches or allow the pilots from the opposite side of the war to enter the fighting area and attack their WT's
-Profit...?

It's funny how almost everyone against it hints at the fact they will not be able to pray on the weak and lame.

No we don't like it because arenas have killed the pvp outside of them in every game they were put into.

The idea isn't without merit, but would have to be done very carefully in a game such as Eve.

I would like to see us provide more and better support and tools for those players who are running or want to run their own tournaments and leagues. I think the Alliance Tournaments and New Eden Open have proved there's a place for sporting events in a game like Eve, and those kind of events are even better when they are player initiated and run.

As long as everything that is destroyed is from the live economy, I don't see a problem with it.

In fact, it would open up a new official career path, The Bookie.

And if the money is controlled by players, such an idea would be cast aside as another 'don't do - it's a scam' and be another broken/dead mechanic.

However, the difference between this game and every other game out there is that the ships taken into these arenas give you an advantage based on how much isk you spend. If the Arena were setup where all ships/mods/implants were from the economy, it would actually encourage war in EVE simply due to the value of the stuff being blown up.

Every other game also runs on taking in the most expensive purple gear...

Quite possibly, but isn't that kind of the point to this game?

edit: people still use the contract system and for the most part, even with all the safeguards CCP has put in place, people still scam with it, people fall for them and it's still used.

To have developers waste time on a new game mechanic that never gets used? No thanks. I said earlier that there most likely is a list of must and must not do for 'arenas' and if they can't be followed there is absolutely zero point in wasting time when CCP can spend that time fixing lag... er, I mean other stuff.

However, that 'Purple Gear" isn't destroyed when your match is over.

Dosn't matter, the same would happen here. Arenas will kill pvp here as it has done in every single other game it has been added to.

The point you still miss is that when ships go into the arena, they're purchased from the work of the people in the economy.

The other games you discuss, the gear is earned from tokens which are earned via 'grinding' which then gets segregated off into a PVP aspect of the game which is separate gear, mechanics and economy. The one single saving grace to this actually functioning in EVE where it would have a different effect is that all of those aspects share a symbiotic relationship in EVE.

If you blow up a ship in an Arena, some dude who built that ship and those mods made isk off it.

This is unique to EVE.

Another aspect of an EVE arena that would have to be in order for it to work. What goes in is 100% player made, no fake ships and stuff.

Stupid idea if people could enter arenas and fight instead of roaming to find fights then it would be the end of 90% of all roams because hardly anyone would bother going on a roam if they can get an instant fights in some arena, and space would become even emptier than it is now

This is unique to EVE.

You're wrong.

Where would the people get the ships that go into the arena from?

Stupid idea if people could enter arenas and fight instead of roaming to find fights then it would be the end of 90% of all roams because hardly anyone would bother going on a roam if they can get an instant fights in some arena, and space would become even emptier than it is now

The idea isn't without merit, but would have to be done very carefully in a game such as Eve.

I would like to see us provide more and better support and tools for those players who are running or want to run their own tournaments and leagues. I think the Alliance Tournaments and New Eden Open have proved there's a place for sporting events in a game like Eve, and those kind of events are even better when they are player initiated and run.

So we end up with a slightly unique arena. Still doesnt change the outcome for the rest of the PVP out there, EVE arenas will kill it just as effectivly as the arenas in all those other games.

The people in the Arenas need to get their ships from somewhere.

Same place as they do now. From grinding up isk in pve and buying them from industrialists.

They get them from industialists like my alt. People who have no need to go blow up other people to build ships and mods.

Exactly... heh, you mean the targets who are currently widely available for all of us to shoot at? Who are the biggest draw for small gang engagements (home def etc.). You don't see this increasing by introducing more people who want to compete in EVE, thus drawing more industrialists to mine?

Opening up opportunities such as...

Suicide gankng the people harvesting the minerals (but with more targets).
The ratters saving up to get into the solo arena (but, more of these now).
The line member defending his alliance who controls moons, to feed the modules that go into the arena.

As it stands, it's Arenas or WiS for a 'big draw' to get people to play. Of those two, which would you rather have?

Firstly, I have an industry alt and in the past year of daily trips to and from jita I have been attacked exactly zero times.

Secondly, you do not find all that many industrial targets out in null or lowsec

And thirdly, when we go roaming we want a fight, not ratters hiding in their POS.

Arenas will destroy the pvp out there because it is so much easyer to push a button to get action rather than hunting for it. The more people that use it the less you will find inthe rest of EVE which means more will join the arena and we quickly end up with the arena and nothing else.

It has happened every single time in every game that hasadded an arena. I do not want that to happen here too.

This being a niche game, it's attracted a lot of people who don't ever want any aspect of it to ever change or evolve. It's rather closed minded.

Put Arenas in the major hubs, allow players to arrange matches. Televise the match's in local and perhaps in CQ's. (I want my remote CCP)
Set up a betting system, with the house taking a cut. Part of the house cut goes to Isk prizes for the winner, based on a percentage of the take, so that the betting interest in the match directly affects the payout.
Isk sink....

I was never in favor of Arenas, I felt they would be game breaking, but after watching people attempt to manipulate the suspect system to get 1 vs 1 day after day, maybe it's time.
Outside of an Arena, there is no way to ensure a 1 vs 1. This solves the issue, provides passive entertainment for the couch potato/ship spinner types, as well as an isk sink.
With the number of gambling sites run by players, isn't it time CCP got in on the action?

It's funny how almost everyone against it hints at the fact they will not be able to pray on the weak and lame. Fact is you will still catch the same amount of PVE ships at gates or trough probing, same amount of industrial ships, nothing is going away if this is introduced, all the PVP that is sought after just by one side will still be there. The ones that roam low/null now will roam after such a feature is introduced just like someone above pointed out happened after RvB and such.

The idea isn't without merit, but would have to be done very carefully in a game such as Eve.

I would like to see us provide more and better support and tools for those players who are running or want to run their own tournaments and leagues. I think the Alliance Tournaments and New Eden Open have proved there's a place for sporting events in a game like Eve, and those kind of events are even better when they are player initiated and run.

I do agree that there is a problem with adding this in EvE but if you look at other great esports games they all have some kind of rated league system where all people can play every day and then the biggest ones meet up in the organized tournaments and those draw more audience because of the league that others do play in.

I think that if EvE is supposed to have a esports value then you need organized arenas that run all the time with a rating system that everyone can see.

Should we have esports in EvE tho? I'm not so sure its a good idea..

If people actually want that they just need to create a chat channel to arrange fights, and i'm only say because i have no idea on how the RvB thing ended

well. And usually a very good chance to find 1vs1. The fleet fights in there are usually balanced between the 2 fc's aswell so properly the closest thing you can come to arena.

A gladiator arena of some form in EVE is missing. People need that level of completion, the ability to say "I'm the best".

Lets face it, it's going to happen eventually as there are far more pros in CCP's benefit than cons.

My friends who can't stand playing EVE watch the Alliance Tournaments that go on. They however don't like EVE

because in order to get a fight, I need to make a fleet, go on a roam for 4 hours and MAYBE I'll get a kill. Lets face it, EVE is VERY slow paced. This is fine for the vet or for people who are here for the niche genre.

This being a niche game, it's attracted a lot of people who don't ever want any aspect of it to ever change or evolve. It's rather closed minded.

You're wrong.

Where would the people get the ships that go into the arena from?

Restus in SWG. The moment it hit pvp everywhere else died.

time to drag out the dead horse...

i wrote this two years ago but now with can flopping being dead this seems to be prudent...

So my proposal is setting up a contract system that is sanctioned by Concord that allows said parties to temp declare war on each other (time period max 30 min)GǪ timmer starts once contract has been accepted...

The cost would be 5 million processing fee paid by each partyGǪ and there would be a betting price set by each partyGǪ

Each bet price would be negotiable between the parties and would not have to be the same amount.

The fights would run under war declaration rules but only the involved parties would be allowed to shoot each other or affect each other in any wayGǪ so that means any members of a gang or allies or corp mates would not be allowed to RR or shoot at either party at penalty of getting a suspect flagGǪ

here is how you win

1. whomever does more total damage (this includes repped damage) to the other player wins only the isk at risk... (this is in the situation where niether player can kill the other)

2. if a player leaves the field of combat (250km radius from start of fight) then the other player wins the isk at risk...

3. which ever player is left alive after the fight gets salvage rights to the wreak and the isk at risk...


and yes observers can bet money one who will win... they can enter the contract by right clicking on involved chars and adding money to the pool...

Set up a betting system

I can see all sorts of new scams arising out of people gaming such a system. Other than that, this idea is without merit. If you want arenas, there are tons of other games that have them. Can't we have one, just one game that is different. Please?

In WoT (world Of Tanks), arena PvP is pretty much alive and it does not kill PvP.

In WoT (world Of Tanks), arena PvP is pretty much alive and it does not kill PvP. You select the tank you wish to use, you hit BATTLE, and your fight starts in 30 seconds (15 vs 15). No need to roam for hours to get a fight. People saying that the arena concept would kill PvP in Eve are either wrong or hypocrits. Arenas would only "move" some of the PvP somewhere else. Maybe it would kill roams but who cares. We roam to get fights, not to fly as tourists. The rest of the PvP that would remain in the game would be more for fights that "matters". Just like in WoT where people fight on the World Map with their clan m8s to conquer or defend territory. Those type of fights happen constently. The Arena feature does not stop people to play on that map. In the contrary it helps it. Individual players use the arena to refine their skills. Clans use it to train their members for world map fights and elaborate strategies. We then go on that map to see how good we are and to conquer territory (and for Gold).

RvB? Hey, I been in there and had fun...until I was tired of T1 frig and destroyer fights. Often I had to stend down with a T1 cruiser. Battlecruisers seemed to raise complaints everytime someone would bring one on the field, and do not remember fights involving battleships. The RvB fun gets away quick when you have the skills to fly better ships and you are constently told not to fly them. In my opinion, RvB exist because their are no arena. So its disapearance would not botter me. So bring this arena (or simulator), make sure that their is still a cost to play in it (ISKs / fights or use your existing ships). I know a LOT of people would enjoy this.

The RMTers and adepts of cheap PvP can go cry to their moms if this is introduced. The though of reading all those rage posts excites me. Bring the arenas CCP.

You know, I might start an Arena. Setup 1v1 battles & stream it on to YouTube, allow people to bet on the participants. All I need is some trustworthy people to assist me with running it 23.5/7.

If you ignore the OP itself, don't think of it as "WoW style arena", and instead think of it in "EVE terms" it's not a bad idea.


The EVE tournaments, but player driven, and tools that facilitate the ability to bet on the outcomes.

I wouldn't mind a system dedicated to providing arenas for people to schedule matches. A jita like system with beacons that we can warp to to watch a match, or have them broadcast on monitors in space or in the CQ.

Players in the system can schedule matches for random apponents or schedule a match against someone specifically.
And I mean SCHEDULE. As in, you schedule a match for X date, around Y time. You know, when you know you'll be on and you'd like to participate. If you have enough system the schedule should be managable and create "regional champions".

They could even have GM run fight events periodically where the best people in the various regions will fight for "the belt" tha they would hold for a period of time.

I'm sure that CCP is capable of developing the system tools needed to mimic something like BOXING.


WoW arenas are horrible.

EVE "arenas" could be frigging awesome.


OP should just delete his OP and then copy/ paste this post in it's place.

PS: The AT's would be the olympics of EVE, this would be the boxing.

As bad as the op.

Geez, I wonder why it works in WoT. I wonder if it's got something to do with the entire game beign built around that very gameplay mechanic, wtf?

Holy ****, you just wrote a small wall of text trying to compare a non persistant world game and "how it works" to EVE.
Are you not actually playing EVE

I was logged in Eve almost all weekend m8.

Go back to WoW, no one wants this bullshit here

An arena in a pvp game? Isn't that redundant? Isn't .4 sec and below an arena?
Am I missing something or is this just another whine for more handholding in this once brutal game?
I don't know what to make of it. As all the other mmos continue to shrivel and die and old Eve keeps chugging along we keep hearing these pathetic cries to turn this game into yet another dying mmo. Come up with a NEW idea for one on one pvp!! Areyou that devoid of ideas?

Or that would be one of the pluses of a betting system.

People being able to manipulate ods. Just because it would be a "bad act" doesn't make it a "bad idea", or "unfun".

There is no such thing as unmanipualted ods, the fact that they exist means that someone is already manipulating something. Gambling is a scam by it's very nature.


Stop thinking about WoW arenas, the OP is off his rocker. Instead think EVE and tools. Because that would be a great addition to the game.

Yes, that's what I was saying - the scamming potential would be the only plus. As for the arena idea, or however you want to lable it, I dislike the idea completely. There are tons of games out there that hold your hand. If anything, they need to go even more in the direction of player created content.

I'll ask again - can't we have just one game that is different? Please?

It's a good idea. Don't let the dedicate griefer entitlement gang tell you otherwise.

I fully support this. Global ganking is and always has been a bad thing.

I wasn't proposing something like other games. I was talking 1 Arena per hub. 1 match at a time. Not instanced battle grounds. The ability for players to preselect allowed ships and fittings. You would have the choice of getting in a queue to fight, or scheduling a match. Prizes aren't really required, this is simply dueling.

People keep coming here from WOW with ideas from WOW.

Get Out.

Put Arenas in the major hubs, allow players to arrange matches. Televise the match's in local and perhaps in CQ's. (I want my remote CCP)
Set up a betting system, with the house taking a cut. Part of the house cut goes to Isk prizes for the winner, based on a percentage of the take, so that the betting interest in the match directly affects the payout.
Isk sink....

I was never in favor of Arenas, I felt they would be game breaking, but after watching people attempt to manipulate the suspect system to get 1 vs 1 day after day, maybe it's time.
Outside of an Arena, there is no way to ensure a 1 vs 1. This solves the issue, provides passive entertainment for the couch potato/ship spinner types, as well as an isk sink.
With the number of gambling sites run by players, isn't it time CCP got in on the action?

I wasn't proposing something like other games. I was talking 1 Arena per hub. 1 match at a time. Not instanced battle grounds. The ability for players to preselect allowed ships and fittings. You would have the choice of getting in a queue to fight, or scheduling a match. Prizes aren't really required, this is simply dueling. Pilots getting sponsorship is a nice idea. Maybe a minimal fee per ship to enter the Arena for an additional sink.

EVE is THE sandbox of MMO's. Or any game for that matter. IF you do not like it. Do not play it.

I agree with OP, it's about time. If you do it right, there are no real drawbacks. It also perfectly fits into the EVE backround story, just read the race info of Caldari. I know it's more challenging than creating another cruiser and destroyer or somesuch, but this could add a lot of fun to players who don't like to wait for hours to have a PVP experience and be something really new after a long time.

The box needs more sand. Would you like to fight in my arena?

how is it riskless if you still have the risk of losing your ship in the end? seriously asking this...