If I wanted your grammar advice I'd ask for it. "Extortion is the (illegal) obtaining of money, goods or services via force, or threat of force." This is exactly what you guys do, regardless what wording you use to justify you corrupt code. Criminal's have have been making excusing for there crime's to justify there actions for years. The Code Alliance is no different.

..."Extortion is the (illegal) obtaining of money, goods or services via force, or threat of force." This is exactly what you guys do, regardless what wording you use to justify you corrupt code. Criminal's have have been making excusing for there crime's to justify there actions for years. The Code Alliance is no different.

1. What the New Order does is not illegal.

2. ISK are neither money, goods, nor services.

3. It is hard to fathom how anything done in a game involving imaginary spaceships could be construed as force.

nice, I bet there are some great laughs to be had doing that.

if you do that to us, we will continue mining and LOL and wave at you in local, ask you how your day is going and generally BS with you until you go on to a different system, or until the convo ends.

Look, obviously there are a multitude of shades of gray. The Wis mines with a huge multiboxed fleet of 100 ships(https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=200503) and I think most of us will agree he is not botting. Not that his behavior is in any way Code compliant, as far as the New Order is concerned.

But let's say you want to mine in highsec, and you cannot bring yourself to buy a permit. By definition you are not Code compliant. Does that mean you must toss the rest of the Code baby out with the bathwater? I would say no. We advocate being ATK (which we define as paying attention to what's happening around you, and watching local chat). That's good advice for anyone, anywhere in EVE. (Well, maybe not in Jita - it's probably best to ignore local chat there. But then again - you aren't mining in Jita.) We advocate choosing and fitting your ship with an eye toward survivability. Again, good advice for everyone. We constantly try to send the message that there is danger any time you undock, even in highsec. That's good to know, right? And we advise avoiding particularly dangerous situations. If the system where you are mining is populated by players who can be expected to adversely affect your personal play style, perhaps it would be wise to relocate to a different system.

When the New Order has a number of targets to choose from, we will typically choose the most egregious offenders of the Code. The obviously inattentive are high on the list. The woefully undertanked or ridiculously shiny fitted ships are as well (yes, our scouts do scan our targets). And the New Order cannot (yet) be everywhere at once. So as an ATK, attentive, intelligent, but sadly non-permit-holding miner, you can still greatly minimize your risk of interaction with the New Order. Be aware. Be tanky. Be somewhere else. It's not very hard, but it is too hard for a multitude of highsec miners. And those are the miners that make our work so necessary and so satisfying.

@ Lina Drasselbaff, sounds like you're having a riot

Extortion implies illegal, if it was illegal in Eve then people who have been the victim of extortion would have some form of legal recourse. There is no legal recourse for "extortion" in Eve, therefore it is not illegal, ergo it is not extortion but coercion. You can of course create your own recourse for coercion, in Eve it's normally done at gunpoint, but that requires you actually do something.

As for my grammar/spelling advice, I gave it to you as a gift, if you want to refuse my gifts then that is your prerogative, it won't stop me giving them to you though.

Have some more gifts, it's making excuses not making excusing, their crimes not there crime's, their actions not there actions and your corrupt code not you corrupt code. If English is your native language then please stop ganking it in this fashion, if it's not then please take the opportunity to learn from the gifts I just gave you.

1. What the New Order does is not illegal.

2. ISK are neither money, goods, nor services.

3. It is hard to fathom how anything done in a game involving imaginary spaceships could be construed as force.

not necessarily, eve is the wild wild west of space therefore they would have no legal right other then shooting at you. It doesn't matter what you call it or how you justify it, it will still be extortion.

No? then why is it you can't sit in empire space without being hunted by concord? If it isn't approved by the 4 great empires then it is illegal.
1. extortion is illegal rl or eve. As is ganking in game, therefore what New order does is consider illegal by the 4 empires.

2. ISK is money or have you been buying ships with rl money if so your all idiots.

3. and third this whole game is based on the use of force or have I been playing a totally different type of eve then everyone else? Hell, New Order has been using force and the threat of force to make miners submit to there rule and buy permits or are you finally denying the code at least and turning from your life of crime? If you can't fathom that then maybe you should stop playing eve until you do.

No? then why is it you can't sit in empire space without being hunted by concord? If it isn't approved by the 4 great empires then it is illegal.
1. extortion is illegal rl or eve. As is ganking in game, therefore what New order does is consider illegal by the 4 empires.

2. ISK is money or have you been buying ships with rl money if so your all idiots.

3. and third this whole game is based on the use of force or have I been playing a totally different type of eve then everyone else? Hell, New Order has been using force and the threat of force to make miners submit to there rule and buy permits or are you finally denying the code at least and turning from your life of crime? If you can't fathom that then maybe you should stop playing eve until you do.

being that Manny just made a very important point, I want to reiterate it here in a single response so as not to get lost in the rest of the thread.

"While Role Playing is fun and can be intense, we should all (miner and knights of the code alike) never forget that this is after all just a game, nothing more, nothing less"

:)

Celly

Extortion? In MY New Order? It's less likely than you think!

We simply provide stern, yet loving, guidance to those that require it.

Your New Order? I thought it was James315's order? Or are you trying to upsert what little power he has. Or maybe you are claiming to be one of his alts perhaps?

I thought we established very early into this thread that everyone in EVE is an alt of James.

sorry but im no alt of the fake James315

That's exactly what a James 315 alt would say.

well if that the case tell him to come down to null so we can sort out the real James315

That's exactly what a James 315 alt would say.

Man, what kind of collective front against miner bumping can't even keeo CODE. permanently wardecced?

Have some more gifts, it's making excuses not making excusing, their crimes not there crime's, their actions not there actions and your corrupt code not you corrupt code. If English is your native language then please stop ganking it in this fashion, if it's not then please take the opportunity to learn from the gifts I just gave you.

Man, what kind of collective front against miner bumping can't even keeo CODE. permanently wardecced?

James315 and the New order, it's time to end your harassment and return to normal game play.