I'm referring to the fact that you can get 100% refining in highsec for nothing other than doing some missions and training a few skills, not to mention you have TONS more manufacturing slots.

It's only fair that you'd have to pay something to use such services.

Your little argument boiled down to "nullsec sucks, don't nerf highsec, just buff nullsec instead" which ignores how that's not actually possible without breaking the game completely.

Don't think we want to make highsec suck for industry as a means of balance in itself. Highsec needs to be nerfed, but it doesn't need to suck. Not only that, but if we were to nerf highsec without buffing anywhere else that would hurt nullsec alliances as well because currently highsec is where most of our ships and modules are built.

You musn't take away even 1% of their refining in highsec.

Actually, yes we will. If hi-sec becomes less profitable for nullsec for industry, invention, missioning, or whatever, then the tens of thousands of null-sec owned alts that operate in hi-sec will repatriate to 0.0 as fast as you can say "ISK/hr".

Or maybe you think we will keep them there even though it makes no sense to? Why do you think we'll do that?

No theyll just unsub.

Prove it.

Oh no, there is dookey in your end of the sandbox! Shall you hold your nose and scoop it out, or just go and poop on the other side to make it match? Decisions, decisions. Oh wait, we're dealing with the vast web of insecurities & egomania of modern internet culture, so the answer is obvious: More poop for everyone.

"There is no such thing as justice. There is only the desire to see the pain spread around equally."
- Solomon Short

There is a lot of truth here, jealousy can get the better of people, so instead of doing something about improving their own circumstance, some just want every one to share their problems, that doesn't bode well for progress in Eve.

Those wanting to nerf Hi-sec really just need a bullet.

Is that a threat?

I was going to write something long.

But given the word I used bullet and the word threat in the same post I will just say NO.

mostly given to CCPs weird interpretation of DIAF some years back.

There will not be a one way "nerf" or "boost" on either high or null. The balance between high and null will be revised as a whole, make the risk/isk reward ratio always match the "risk/reward" rule.

There will not be a one way "nerf" or "boost" on either high or null. The balance between high and null will be revised as a whole, make the risk/isk reward ratio always match the "risk/reward" rule.

But would that not mean that WH space then needs to be buffed to make the risk vs reward higher than Nulls

W-space is already astonishingly lucrative. Even when I was only dabbling, 400M an hour was easily done, and I've heard credible schemas for even higher rates.

Hmm, wonder why the null bears dont cry "nerf WHs!" I mean if you find an isolated WH, and scan reguarly, risk is minimal.

400 mill an hour what a load of crap. Try way lower than that. And we can't just cyno our stuff to the nearest Hi-sec market.

Isolated is the word however and the more isolated the more of a ***** it is to get to a market.

W-space is already astonishingly lucrative. Even when I was only dabbling, 400M an hour was easily done, and I've heard credible schemas for even higher rates.

This thread sucks.

If their going to nerf anything nerf null get rid of the tech moons, make it so people actually have to work for their isk