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Elrich Kouvo
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.12.28 02:23:00 -
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Katherine Jasmone wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Katherine Jasmone wrote: STFU, MTFU and look at the game from a perspective of balance. Yeah, EVE Online is reallu unbalanced as it is. This must continue in order to keep to a consistent trend. Never nerf highsec ~~ Nope, highsec has its definite imbalances (just in the direction of catering to carebears, macroers and afkers.) Just make it a stepping stone - and in some regard a pseudo-haven while moving on to greater things. Hi-sec should in someways provide any area for individuals and corps willing to stage into lo and null to gather enough resources: capitol, labor and other resources. Current null mechanics, industry, politics and PvP-blob mentality are barriers to entry into such areas for most if they never can muster the aforementioned resources to do so. A thought for perhaps the F&I section - make asteroid belts "hidden" and force those who thrive on this to actually put in the effort to actually find their ore (like miners in the old days who had to collect soil and rock samples) instead of rinse and repeat the method of mining today. Similarly that those who would gank/pirate/ransom/grief would too have to work for their living. Not simply warp-to, ctrl and f1 (mash keys randomly). But then again why should I agree with an individual in a corp that shelters/lives in an alliance that is in of itself an imbalance due to the blob mentality. When things (mechanics of null, lo or hi and some regards alliances) grow to the point of having their own inertia and this influence can be felt in a detrimental way then the game is in of itself imbalanced. I was with ya till you compared mining on earth to mining in internet space ships. Soil samples in space? WTF? but yeah they could add more hidden belts to low and null, and they could buff low and null to be more rewarding. Yes High sec corps need to "muster" resources to venture into low/null, which is why they should get rid of war decs. |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow C.L.O.N.E.
1011
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Posted - 2012.12.28 02:30:00 -
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I think hi sec needs to be more like real world western democracies where most people are wage slaves. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
491
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Posted - 2012.12.28 02:35:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:I think hi sec needs to be more like real world western democracies where most people are wage slaves. So... no real change then? |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow C.L.O.N.E.
1011
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Posted - 2012.12.28 02:36:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:masternerdguy wrote:I think hi sec needs to be more like real world western democracies where most people are wage slaves. So... no real change then?
No, I think hi seccers should have to file a realistic income tax with realistic tax forms. Also there needs to be rent paid to live in hi sec. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
491
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Posted - 2012.12.28 02:37:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:masternerdguy wrote:I think hi sec needs to be more like real world western democracies where most people are wage slaves. So... no real change then? No, I think hi seccers should have to file a realistic income tax with realistic tax forms. Also there needs to be rent paid to live in hi sec. Ah, so you just hate people and want the game to reflect that. Gotcha. |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow C.L.O.N.E.
1011
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Posted - 2012.12.28 02:39:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:masternerdguy wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:masternerdguy wrote:I think hi sec needs to be more like real world western democracies where most people are wage slaves. So... no real change then? No, I think hi seccers should have to file a realistic income tax with realistic tax forms. Also there needs to be rent paid to live in hi sec. Ah, so you just hate people and want the game to reflect that. Gotcha.
They could pay a corporate tax to all the stations they keep stuff in. Then we can add on a faction tax so you have to pay the empire you live in. Finally a concord tax.
Maybe we can add a system where you can cheat on your taxes at the risk of a sec status penalty if discovered. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Randolph Rothstein
whatever corp.
206
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Posted - 2012.12.28 02:43:00 -
[187] - Quote
masternerdguy wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:masternerdguy wrote:I think hi sec needs to be more like real world western democracies where most people are wage slaves. So... no real change then? No, I think hi seccers should have to file a realistic income tax with realistic tax forms. Also there needs to be rent paid to live in hi sec.
whats more realistic than evading tax? its rl feature
if you want me to pay the rent give me some real estate,like corp office but for players to walk in and sjit so i can admire my collection of dancers and garage - it totaly should be a crib,maybe even on a planet ,id pay a rent for that
real estate market is what this game needs,it would be awesome to have house on a lava planet etc. |
James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
1869
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Posted - 2012.12.28 02:44:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:masternerdguy wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:masternerdguy wrote:I think hi sec needs to be more like real world western democracies where most people are wage slaves. So... no real change then? No, I think hi seccers should have to file a realistic income tax with realistic tax forms. Also there needs to be rent paid to live in hi sec. Ah, so you just hate people and want the game to reflect that. Gotcha. Ahhh, more entitlement. Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
DSpite Culhach
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
16
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Posted - 2012.12.28 02:45:00 -
[189] - Quote
What's wrong with just adding more activities to high/low/null, and only having some of those cross over. We already have game content that can only be done with expensive ships and high SP like Incursions, why not add more stuff into the mix?
Wouldn't that be a carrot to get people to move around more? Why do people always want to use the stick to motivate players to do stuff? |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
5449
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Posted - 2012.12.28 02:47:00 -
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DSpite Culhach wrote:What's wrong with just adding more activities to high/low/null, and only having some of those cross over. We already have game content that can only be done with expensive ships and high SP like Incursions, why not add more stuff into the mix?
Wouldn't that be a carrot to get people to move around more? Why do people always want to use the stick to motivate players to do stuff?
The stick is more fun for us "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
491
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Posted - 2012.12.28 02:51:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:masternerdguy wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:masternerdguy wrote:I think hi sec needs to be more like real world western democracies where most people are wage slaves. So... no real change then? No, I think hi seccers should have to file a realistic income tax with realistic tax forms. Also there needs to be rent paid to live in hi sec. Ah, so you just hate people and want the game to reflect that. Gotcha. Ahhh, more entitlement. You see, there is a point where accusations of entitlement lose their bite. For me it's somewhere around the place where not liking a proposal which is designed to introduce bad gameplay for an area you don't like is "entitlement." You see a need for greater income disparity between sec statuses? Fine, really does make sense. Seriously. Want to turn an area of the game into a punishment? Not so much. Do you have an actual argument as to why it's a good thing or is that just an old fallback? |
James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
1869
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Posted - 2012.12.28 02:54:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:You see, there is a point where accusations of entitlement lose their bite. For me it's somewhere around the place where not liking a proposal which is designed to introduce bad gameplay for an area you don't like is "entitlement." You see a need for greater income disparity between sec statuses? Fine, really does make sense. Seriously. Want to turn an area of the game into a punishment? Not so much. Do you have an actual argument as to why it's a good thing or is that just an old fallback? Why should you get the best stuff for free? Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
491
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Posted - 2012.12.28 02:56:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:You see, there is a point where accusations of entitlement lose their bite. For me it's somewhere around the place where not liking a proposal which is designed to introduce bad gameplay for an area you don't like is "entitlement." You see a need for greater income disparity between sec statuses? Fine, really does make sense. Seriously. Want to turn an area of the game into a punishment? Not so much. Do you have an actual argument as to why it's a good thing or is that just an old fallback? Why should you get the best stuff for free? How would greater income disparity in trade be for free? |
James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
1869
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Posted - 2012.12.28 03:01:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:You see, there is a point where accusations of entitlement lose their bite. For me it's somewhere around the place where not liking a proposal which is designed to introduce bad gameplay for an area you don't like is "entitlement." You see a need for greater income disparity between sec statuses? Fine, really does make sense. Seriously. Want to turn an area of the game into a punishment? Not so much. Do you have an actual argument as to why it's a good thing or is that just an old fallback? Why should you get the best stuff for free? How would greater income disparity in trade be for free? I'm referring to the fact that you can get 100% refining in highsec for nothing other than doing some missions and training a few skills, not to mention you have TONS more manufacturing slots.
It's only fair that you'd have to pay something to use such services. Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
Lady Katherine Devonshire
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
105
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Posted - 2012.12.28 03:02:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:You and most hi-seccers seem to think sov null is just Turn up, Plant flag, Collect free Technetium & Anomalies. . You're missing the titanic amount of ISK (amd effort) that's required to gain, control, upgrade and maintain space. And that's not even including what it costs to fight for it. Just to claim it costs many billions per region, and then more billions per month to keep it.
Oh no, there is dookey in your end of the sandbox! Shall you hold your nose and scoop it out, or just go and poop on the other side to make it match? Decisions, decisions. Oh wait, we're dealing with the vast web of insecurities & egomania of modern internet culture, so the answer is obvious: More poop for everyone.
"There is no such thing as justice. There is only the desire to see the pain spread around equally." - Solomon Short EvE Forum Bingo |
James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
1869
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Posted - 2012.12.28 03:04:00 -
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Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:Malcanis wrote:You and most hi-seccers seem to think sov null is just Turn up, Plant flag, Collect free Technetium & Anomalies. . You're missing the titanic amount of ISK (amd effort) that's required to gain, control, upgrade and maintain space. And that's not even including what it costs to fight for it. Just to claim it costs many billions per region, and then more billions per month to keep it. Oh no, there is dookey in your end of the sandbox! Shall you hold your nose and scoop it out, or just go and poop on the other side to make it match? Decisions, decisions. Oh wait, we're dealing with the vast web insecurities & egomania of modern internet culture, so the answer is obvious: More poop for everyone. "There is no such thing as justice. There is only the desire to see the pain spread around equally." - Solomon Short Yeah, let's respond to sensible arguments with childishness and irrelevant quotes! Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
491
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Posted - 2012.12.28 03:04:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:You see, there is a point where accusations of entitlement lose their bite. For me it's somewhere around the place where not liking a proposal which is designed to introduce bad gameplay for an area you don't like is "entitlement." You see a need for greater income disparity between sec statuses? Fine, really does make sense. Seriously. Want to turn an area of the game into a punishment? Not so much. Do you have an actual argument as to why it's a good thing or is that just an old fallback? Why should you get the best stuff for free? How would greater income disparity in trade be for free? I'm referring to the fact that you can get 100% refining in highsec for nothing other than doing some missions and training a few skills, not to mention you have TONS more manufacturing slots. It's only fair that you'd have to pay something to use such services. I've argued that this shouldn't be the case, so I won't argue in favor of a situation I don't believe is beneficial nor would I like to see it's correction replaced with excess tedium. |
Elrich Kouvo
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.12.28 03:07:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:masternerdguy wrote:I think hi sec needs to be more like real world western democracies where most people are wage slaves. So... no real change then? No, I think hi seccers should have to file a realistic income tax with realistic tax forms. Also there needs to be rent paid to live in hi sec. You sir need to go play turbo tax then and not EVE Online. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2455
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Posted - 2012.12.28 03:24:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:DSpite Culhach wrote:What's wrong with just adding more activities to high/low/null, and only having some of those cross over. We already have game content that can only be done with expensive ships and high SP like Incursions, why not add more stuff into the mix?
Wouldn't that be a carrot to get people to move around more? Why do people always want to use the stick to motivate players to do stuff? The stick is more fun for us The tears, eh... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Lady Katherine Devonshire
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
105
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Posted - 2012.12.28 04:12:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Yeah, let's respond to sensible arguments with childishness and irrelevant quotes!
The quote was quite relevant, as it was a clear indication of the psychological dysfunction of the common whining nullbear. Childishness is simply my way of lowering the bar of conversation down to their own level of intellect for greater ease of comprehension. Did you enjoy it, or should I go back to being superciliously brusque?
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Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
371
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Posted - 2012.12.28 05:33:00 -
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Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:Malcanis wrote:You and most hi-seccers seem to think sov null is just Turn up, Plant flag, Collect free Technetium & Anomalies. . You're missing the titanic amount of ISK (amd effort) that's required to gain, control, upgrade and maintain space. And that's not even including what it costs to fight for it. Just to claim it costs many billions per region, and then more billions per month to keep it. Oh no, there is dookey in your end of the sandbox! Shall you hold your nose and scoop it out, or just go and poop on the other side to make it match? Decisions, decisions. Oh wait, we're dealing with the vast web of insecurities & egomania of modern internet culture, so the answer is obvious: More poop for everyone. "There is no such thing as justice. There is only the desire to see the pain spread around equally." - Solomon Short
There is a lot of truth here, jealousy can get the better of people, so instead of doing something about improving their own circumstance, some just want every one to share their problems, that doesn't bode well for progress in Eve. Evelopedia;-á
The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á |
James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
1875
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Posted - 2012.12.28 05:46:00 -
[202] - Quote
Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Yeah, let's respond to sensible arguments with childishness and irrelevant quotes! The quote was quite relevant, as it was a clear indication of the psychological dysfunction of the common whining nullbear. Childishness is simply my way of lowering the bar of conversation down to their own level of intellect for greater ease of comprehension. Did you enjoy it, or should I go back to being superciliously brusque? Your little argument boiled down to "nullsec sucks, don't nerf highsec, just buff nullsec instead" which ignores how that's not actually possible without breaking the game completely.
Don't think we want to make highsec suck for industry as a means of balance in itself. Highsec needs to be nerfed, but it doesn't need to suck. Not only that, but if we were to nerf highsec without buffing anywhere else that would hurt nullsec alliances as well because currently highsec is where most of our ships and modules are built. Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
DSpite Culhach
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2012.12.28 06:07:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:You see, there is a point where accusations of entitlement lose their bite. For me it's somewhere around the place where not liking a proposal which is designed to introduce bad gameplay for an area you don't like is "entitlement." You see a need for greater income disparity between sec statuses? Fine, really does make sense. Seriously. Want to turn an area of the game into a punishment? Not so much. Do you have an actual argument as to why it's a good thing or is that just an old fallback? Why should you get the best stuff for free? How would greater income disparity in trade be for free? I'm referring to the fact that you can get 100% refining in highsec for nothing other than doing some missions and training a few skills, not to mention you have TONS more manufacturing slots. It's only fair that you'd have to pay something to use such services.
If you make it harder for people in hisec, you wont get more people moving to low/null, you will just see people roam less in low/null because it takes them longer to make ships. If it was EASIER to make isk and stuff in hisec, I'd be roaming around looking for fights all the time, lose said ships, rinse and repeat.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2496
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Posted - 2012.12.28 06:07:00 -
[204] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Yeah, let's respond to sensible arguments with childishness and irrelevant quotes! The quote was quite relevant, as it was a clear indication of the psychological dysfunction of the common whining nullbear. Childishness is simply my way of lowering the bar of conversation down to their own level of intellect for greater ease of comprehension. Did you enjoy it, or should I go back to being superciliously brusque? Your little argument boiled down to "nullsec sucks, don't nerf highsec, just buff nullsec instead" which ignores how that's not actually possible without breaking the game completely. Don't think we want to make highsec suck for industry as a means of balance in itself. Highsec needs to be nerfed, but it doesn't need to suck. Not only that, but if we were to nerf highsec without buffing anywhere else that would hurt nullsec alliances as well because currently highsec is where most of our ships and modules are built. You musn't take away even 1% of their refining in highsec. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
1892
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Posted - 2012.12.28 06:08:00 -
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It can't be better than perfect. Sorry. I don't know how many times I need to say it before you'll understand. Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2496
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Posted - 2012.12.28 06:11:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:It can't be better than perfect. Sorry. I don't know how many times I need to say it before you'll understand. This is general discussion, you'd need a lot more than just a few dozen,.. hundred of posts. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
371
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Posted - 2012.12.28 06:13:00 -
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DSpite Culhach wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:You see, there is a point where accusations of entitlement lose their bite. For me it's somewhere around the place where not liking a proposal which is designed to introduce bad gameplay for an area you don't like is "entitlement." You see a need for greater income disparity between sec statuses? Fine, really does make sense. Seriously. Want to turn an area of the game into a punishment? Not so much. Do you have an actual argument as to why it's a good thing or is that just an old fallback? Why should you get the best stuff for free? How would greater income disparity in trade be for free? I'm referring to the fact that you can get 100% refining in highsec for nothing other than doing some missions and training a few skills, not to mention you have TONS more manufacturing slots. It's only fair that you'd have to pay something to use such services. If you make it harder for people in hisec, you wont get more people moving to low/null, you will just see people roam less in low/null because it takes them longer to make ships. If it was EASIER to make isk and stuff in hisec, I'd be roaming around looking for fights all the time, lose said ships, rinse and repeat.
I agree with this, atm prices are stable, economy going along nicely, nerf hisec and even pirates will start thinking twice before they try to fight with a standard frigate that cost 40 million in jita. Evelopedia;-á
The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2496
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Posted - 2012.12.28 06:15:00 -
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EI Digin wrote:RAGE QU1T wrote:Confirming, no one likes EMO raging FC's spamming alliance crying for more Logi's, furthermore people are tired of CTA online So don't join an alliance that demands you to play on their terms? Actually I think we finally got our scimitar fleet participation giveaway system working. Someone has already been awarded the first payout. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
5861
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Posted - 2012.12.28 06:17:00 -
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Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:Malcanis wrote:You and most hi-seccers seem to think sov null is just Turn up, Plant flag, Collect free Technetium & Anomalies. . You're missing the titanic amount of ISK (amd effort) that's required to gain, control, upgrade and maintain space. And that's not even including what it costs to fight for it. Just to claim it costs many billions per region, and then more billions per month to keep it. Oh no, there is dookey in your end of the sandbox! Shall you hold your nose and scoop it out, or just go and poop on the other side to make it match? Decisions, decisions. Oh wait, we're dealing with the vast web of insecurities & egomania of modern internet culture, so the answer is obvious: More poop for everyone. "There is no such thing as justice. There is only the desire to see the pain spread around equally." - Solomon Short
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James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
1892
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Posted - 2012.12.28 06:19:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:EI Digin wrote:RAGE QU1T wrote:Confirming, no one likes EMO raging FC's spamming alliance crying for more Logi's, furthermore people are tired of CTA online So don't join an alliance that demands you to play on their terms? Actually I think we finally got our scimitar fleet participation giveaway system working. Someone has already been awarded the first payout. Scimitar fleet? Is this a fleet where you just swarm everybody with light combat drones and RR the **** out of everybody? Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
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