Thanks for calling it griefing at least. Now I think you are confusing death penalty with griefing. I say again that you won't hear people say "man remember when EVE online had to be shut down when they removed some ganker alts ability to suicide gank someone." I would add that if suicide ganking in hisec is such a big part of your EVE play then you are doing it wrong.

You're suggesting that I'm playing a sandbox wrong?

Two opinions:

1. If one side would rather not have anything to do with a war, instead of forcing them to dock for a week, set up a surrender mechanism where they can pay a sum and get the guarantee that they won't be declared again for a week, with the war ending immediately upon payment. People can evade wars right now, it's just a hassle, but the fact that it's a hassle won't make them fight in the war. So it's a pointless hassle. I'd be pro letting the extortionist get his stuff right away and move on.

2. Have incentives for undocking even if you're clearly going to lose. Not monetary, obviously, but medals for valiant effort, something that can also be used as a coin in the NeX shop, or rent-free office space for the corporation, or NPC standings, accellerated skill training for the combat participants, something.

Sorry, no, I won't call it griefing because it isn't griefing. Is it griefing to snipe a guy in call of duty because he wanted to only use pistols? You only want to mine or mission, but maybe the other guy wants to use all the mechanics, including ones that end up with you getting shot

I'm a PVPer, you are wasting my time by depriving me of a target because you are more interested in carebear tears then having a showdown in low or null.

You don't even understand what griefing is I think. Here is a definition. A griefer derives pleasure primarily or exclusively from the act of annoying other users, and as such is a particular nuisance in online gaming communities, since griefers often cannot be deterred by penalties related to in-game goals. If you want to go suicide gank and AFKer or a miner you just want to be a douche, you're hardly going to rake in the isk, you want to **** someone off.
I'm a PVPer, you are wasting my time by depriving me of a target because you are more interested in carebear tears then having a showdown in low or null.

You don't even understand what griefing is I think. Here is a definition.

I'm a PVPer, you are wasting my time by depriving me of a target because you are more interested in carebear tears then having a showdown in low or null. I'm ALL about some player interection my man, now leave the safetly of hisec you stud and come play with the big kids. You are just as safe in hisec as the carebears as you use the safety of concord to keep you safe until no one can do anything when you strike.

That's a load of crap. You're basically saying all pvp in highsec is a result of someone wanting to childishly irk someone else. That's a silly statement and you know it. Even if it wasn't though, you haven't provided any reason why doing that shouldn't be mechanically possible, other than saying you don't want it to be.

I think things are out of whack. PVE people want to PVE and not be ganked, you want to go gank them. I want to PVP people like you but you want to hide in hisec hypocritically under the same Concord protection that the PVE people enjoy that you bemoan. I know what you are doing in a hisec belt in your Thrasher but I can't jack you because you are just as safe as the carebears until you decide at your safe leisure to LOLOVERHEATPEWPEWW.
PVP is like spinach, if you are forced to have it when you are young you don't want it when you grow up. Let the PVE people skill up, mine, make isk in peace in hisec and then let them get rich and bored and come to low null and play. You griefers cause your own problem, you turn noobs off to PVP from the start and they just never want to get into PVP.

[quote=Mister S Burke]

BTW, I realise you're just trying to live up to your name, but Concord don't protect suicide gankers; they shoot them.

I know what you are doing in a hisec belt in your Thrasher but I can't jack you because you are just as safe as the carebears until you decide at your safe leisure to LOLOVERHEATPEWPEWW.

Sure they do, no one mentions this hypocrisy. That suicide ganker is safe as can be until it's too late. I know what those Thrashers are doing, can't touch them because Concord keeps them safe too until they want to suicide when it pleases them.

PVE people want to PVE and not be ganked, you want to go gank them.

I want to PVP people like you but you want to hide in hisec hypocritically under the same Concord protection that the PVE people enjoy that you bemoan.

PVP is like spinach, if you are forced to have it when you are young you don't want it when you grow up. Let the PVE people skill up, mine, make isk in peace in hisec and then let them get rich and bored and come to low null and play.

You griefers cause your own problem, you turn noobs off to PVP from the start and they just never want to get into PVP.

[quote=Mister S Burke] You also don't get to define what griefing is.

Riedle

Maybe you've heard of security status?

I sure do and I just did. I've been playing games since the 80's so I know my way around gamers and the game culture. Griefing has and always will be taking advantage of someone who can't fight back. EVE has hardly reinvented the wheel here.

Maybe you're heard of alts?

Sure they do, no one mentions this hypocrisy. That suicide ganker is safe as can be until it's too late. I know what those Thrashers are doing, can't touch them because Concord keeps them safe too until they want to suicide when it pleases them.

You're suggesting that I'm playing a sandbox wrong?

Maybe you've heard of security status?

You could always get in a thrasher and gank them.

I think things are out of whack. PVE people want to PVE and not be ganked, you want to go gank them. I want to PVP people like you but you want to hide in hisec hypocritically under the same Concord protection that the PVE people enjoy that you bemoan. I know what you are doing in a hisec belt in your Thrasher but I can't jack you because you are just as safe as the carebears until you decide at your safe leisure to LOLOVERHEATPEWPEWW.
PVP is like spinach, if you are forced to have it when you are young you don't want it when you grow up. Let the PVE people skill up, mine, make isk in peace in hisec and then let them get rich and bored and come to low null and play. You griefers cause your own problem, you turn noobs off to PVP from the start and they just never want to get into PVP.

Time, effort, isk/hr, sinking to our level, etc.

You and your kind suggest everyone else is playing the sandbox wrong everyday.

And if they want to do so in perfect safety there are other games out there. If they want to *attempt* to PvE without being ganked then that's fine.

I think things are out of whack. PVE people want to PVE and not be ganked, you want to go gank them. I want to PVP people like you but you want to hide in hisec hypocritically under the same Concord protection that the PVE people enjoy that you bemoan. I know what you are doing in a hisec belt in your Thrasher but I can't jack you because you are just as safe as the carebears until you decide at your safe leisure to LOLOVERHEATPEWPEWW.
PVP is like spinach, if you are forced to have it when you are young you don't want it when you grow up. Let the PVE people skill up, mine, make isk in peace in hisec and then let them get rich and bored and come to low null and play. You griefers cause your own problem, you turn noobs off to PVP from the start and they just never want to get into PVP.

[quote=Anslo]No, the New Order makes it clear to highsec miners that theres is not the only way, and that if they elect to continue playing the same way we will confiscate their ships and pods.

Now, go back under your bridge.

You are missing the big picture, this is a business and they want people to play here. I think it's too reactionary to say that if griefing pvp is taken out of hisec then EVE becomes insta Runescape or a themepark MMO, that is silly. All I am saying to be clear is that we can keep our cake and eat it too. Let the PVE people play in peace, they will get rich, they will get bored and they will realize they can't take the isk with them if they unsub so they go to null and lowsec. How is this fair? Well they don't get PVP experience by taking the safe road to riches do they? So if you went the hard way to low and null you have an advantage because you rose the hard way, won't be as rich but everyone wins in the end.