[quote=Mister S Burke]


Confirmed, you want a consequence free game - this is not the game you are playing and it will not become that game.

With all due respect, you are subbed for a little over a month?
Perhaps you should consider adjusting to the decade old game you are playing rather than demand the decade old game conform to what your 30 day long view of what this game is or should be.

Really, you lost a thrasher - hardly a reason to cry about it and certainly not a reason for CCP to change a successful game.
You are just going to have to accept it.

Riedke

[quote=Mister S Burke]


Confirmed, you want a consequence free game - this is not the game you are playing and it will not become that game.

With all due respect, you are subbed for a little over a month?
Perhaps you should consider adjusting to the decade old game you are playing rather than demand the decade old game conform to what your 30 day long view of what this game is or should be.

Really, you lost a thrasher - hardly a reason to cry about it and certainly not a reason for CCP to change a successful game.
You are just going to have to accept it.

Riedke

I don't know.

The truth of the matter EvE the game and its subsequent development will only be around if there are many subscriptions paying the bills.

So lets say there are 450,000 subscriptions and we'll just assume that everyone pays $14.95 per month to play (this is obviously not the case since Plex is actually more and some people pay less by paying yearly for their subscriptions. Also this in USD and no the Euro excludes taxes).

So the total CCP makes gross per month is $6,727,500

If 1% of players quite because of ganking then that is 4500 players which doesn't seem like a lot over all.

But that is $67,275 in lost revenue.

Thats more than a years worth for a computer programmer used to advance eve.

The numbers might even be higher depending (it might be lower as we don't have the numbers of ganks from CCP).

Now the question you have to ask is "Will more people quit EvE because they can't gank than quite because they are ganked?"
If the answer is more people will quit because they are ganked then obviously CCP is finacially obligated as a business to cut back on the possible ganking.

The best evidence to prove that CCP actually loses subscriptions (and money) due to ganking is simply the fact they buffed minging barges after hulkageddon.

If there was no finacial reason to buff the mining barges they would not have spent the resources (development, Q&A, and balancing) to actually have made the change.

In conclusion the truth of the matter is CCP is obligated as a business to reduce ganking and other activies that reduce subscriptions.

I predict this will happen whether you protest on the forums or not as the forums are only a fraction of the player base.

I suspect CCP knows that gankers will just play other forms of PvP when they nerf ganking in the future.

The problem is you have no proof that "ganking" reduces subscriptions. You create a false dichotomy (it's either the gankers of or the ganked people will go).

What DOES happen is people get ganked all the time and......nothing. A small minority of ganked people yell and holler and cry on the forums or file a petition (only to be told bascially HTFU lol) or maybe even quit (EVe wasn't for them in the 1st place if ANY player action can cause them to quit).

But the vast majority (evidenced by EVE online's continual growth and survival over the last 10 years) say GF, learn from their mistakes quietly and move on. The small minority of crying types cling to the idea that everyone is like them and thus will quit like them if "ganking" is allowed.

Funny thing is, the people who SAY they are going to quit after getting ganked or scammed seldom do....

Funny thing is, the people who SAY they are going to quit after getting ganked or scammed seldom do....

You've played this game that takes YEARS to understand for a month and feel confident enough to comment on it?

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And yet you make the personal choice to continue do it.

Whats wrong with you, you do know you don't have to read stuff you don't like right?

My evidence that ganking reduces subscriptions is the fact that CCP buffed mining barges after hulkaggeddon.

Why would they spend the effort to change this if it is not to prevent lost subs?

If ganking was fine and just emergent gameplay they would have left it alone.

Yes there was a lot of complaints on the forums, but I beleive they used exit polls when people canceled their subscriptions as their reason to make the change.

People complaining on the forums threating to cancel their subscription does not always equal lost subs (the person may not go through with it), but when actual subscription cancellation happen and they give the reason "my ship was ganked" then obviously they decided to do something about it.

Again, obviously there was some sort of problem as they changed the game mechanics to buff miner barges.

If CCP wasn't worried about losing subs they would have done nothing.

I have no idea what you are talking about or what the meaning of your response is. All I can read is that you want CCP to close the doors of high-sec to you.

Would you mind trying again?

Speaking as someone who avoids PvP and is fairly carebear (but not afraid to go into WH or low/zero sec when needed)....

Making Hisec fully non-pvp will not be good for the game.

It may bring in, or retain, a few more players.... but the game as a whole will loose a lot of its street cred.
And also probably loose some of its longer standing players.

is English not your 1st language? I posted in English, maybe the internets turned it into russian or something.

Where did I say i want CCP to do any door closing or what not? What does that even mean?

By "catering to griefing" are you referring to non-consensual PvP? Because that's pretty much a core theme of EVE. Getting rid of that would be like making rugby into a non contact game. Go play volleyball if that's what you want.

I'm sure some people kept going after their first hulk loss, but what about the second? Or third? Why keep playing after that point? It is logically in this regard that ganking must cause subscription losses of some sort.