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Mister S Burke
Earths Naval Space Command The Mandalorians
20
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:20:00 -
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Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Are you saying that you just started playing Eve a couple of months ago?! Just shut up if that's the case! Your opinion is like raw bacon, or cookies made without butter and sugar, or like someone who lives under a bridge and charges a toll. WTF that like thread griefing.
Oh did I forget to ask permission from some old fogey if I could speak. A thousand apologies his majesty. Get over yourself, no one could tell I was new until I said as much. I know you guys act like it takes years of study to even undock from a noob station but frankly this game isn't that hard. It is hard compared to other MMOs but let's face it, it is still just a video game. You old times act like it take a degree from MIT to even load a weapon on a ship. |
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
121
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:20:00 -
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Increases and declines don't matter. Retention matters and is only possible in today's MMO market with a unique product getting regular GOOD expansions. I'd be hard pressed to name an MMO in full release right now that fits that criteria. Incursion is where EvE jumped the shark in my opinion. "WoW Raids in Space" is what I like to call that expansion. |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
1102
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:21:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: Repetitive words from an extremist troll. I thought you blocked me? Anyway, your opinion to me is moot int his matter.
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Whitehound
374
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:21:00 -
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If I ever leave then it is more likely because of all the drama Goons & Co. create. Reading here is almost like watching another episode of this vampire saga... |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
928
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:21:00 -
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If a player cannot be ganked anywhere outside a station, then Eve is no longer Eve.
Hell, I have been ganked so fast, I was dead and pod-killed before I could even read the 'danger' messages on the screen.
Good for them.
Dealing with being ganked is an attitude of mind.
If you cannot deal with it, this is simply not the game for you.
Knowing you can be ganked anywhere any time is what makes Eve exciting. This is not a signature. |
TheBlueMonkey
Don't Be a Menace That Red Alliance
350
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:22:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Malcanis wrote:What's good about EVE other than that the players are allowed the maximum possible freedom to interact with each other? Many people don't want freedom, they want guaranteed positive outcomes (just like in real life lol). Most MMOs try to give them that, which is why most fail.
Do you remember how awesome Starwars galaxies was when becoming a Jedi was hard? And a 10 vs 1 fight was fair because Jedi's were badass?
That was awesome, huge amounts of fun and when you met a Jedi it was all "ooooo, you're amazings"
Then they changed it so EVERYONE was a Jedi within 5mins of starting the game... and then subscriptions fell away.
Anything worth having is rarely easy to acquire and easy to acquire things are rarely worth having. |
Mister S Burke
Earths Naval Space Command The Mandalorians
20
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:23:00 -
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What I want to know is why EVE people can't stop talking about wow. Wow people have never even heard of EVE. I would wager many wow haters just could not get into a Naxx of ANQ 40 man guild. |
Mister S Burke
Earths Naval Space Command The Mandalorians
20
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:24:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Hell, I have been ganked so fast, I was dead and pod-killed before I could even read the 'danger' messages on the screen.
Good for them.
Yeah right, like that was you're initial reaction. I bet you are just pleased ad punched when you get wacked.
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NickyYo
StarHug
291
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:32:00 -
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This is Sony's doing, CCP should have never got into bed with them idiots. .. |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
928
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:32:00 -
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Mister S Burke wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Hell, I have been ganked so fast, I was dead and pod-killed before I could even read the 'danger' messages on the screen.
Good for them.
Yeah right, like that was you're initial reaction. I bet you are just pleased ad punched when you get wacked.
My initial reaction was one of, "what the hell just happened?" it was so fast.
My only concern was the 30 jumps back in my clone to my local area. Local clones are a good idea.
All the time I was flying back, I was thinking about how impressed I was by the pair that ganked me so quickly, and what skills would I need to do the same.
I even sent them an Eve-mail to say how impressed I was by the speed of the gank.
Remember, one cannot 'die' in Eve, one can only lose isk. This is not a signature. |
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Corey Fumimasa
The Advent of Faith
1
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:36:00 -
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Mister S Burke wrote:Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Are you saying that you just started playing Eve a couple of months ago?! Just shut up if that's the case! Your opinion is like raw bacon, or cookies made without butter and sugar, or like someone who lives under a bridge and charges a toll. WTF that like thread griefing.
Oh did I forget to ask permission from some old fogey if I could speak. A thousand apologies his majesty. Get over yourself, no one could tell I was new until I said as much. I know you guys act like it takes years of study to even undock from a noob station but frankly this game isn't that hard. It is hard compared to other MMOs but let's face it, it is still just a video game. You old times act like it take a degree from MIT to even load a weapon on a ship. You were given the benefit of the doubt, people here wanted to speak with you and to understand your position and reasoning on the assumption that you have spent some time in Eve and are a part of the community.
I am not an "old fogey" and in any case ones opinion here is not validated by age, rather by speaking with an understanding of the subject at hand, and by presenting your ideas in a clear and transparent format.
You absolutely don't need permission to speak here, this is Eve do what you want. But don't expect the mechanics of this place to forgive your misunderstanding. |
Riedle
Paradox Collective Choke Point
255
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:38:00 -
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Mister S Burke wrote:Riedle wrote:[quote=Mister S Burke]CCP do not agree with your flawed definition.
Conclusion: HTFU Actually they do which is why this topic we are in even exists. CCP knows they can't keep letting the gankers run off new people and they know they have a mob of veteran fanatics to deal with. The choice is clear, throw the die hard old vets under the bus and cater to the new players. Why? The old vets will grumble and won't go to WOW, but the young people will go play a competitors game. Just ask the American republican party what happens when you let the die hard fringe elements fly the ship. Evolve or die.
Incorrect. The OP exists because the OP misread the CSM minutes to think that CCP wants a consequence free arrangement in highsec which is could not be further from the truth.
HTFU or GTFO |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
1147
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:39:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:If I ever leave then it is more likely because of all the drama Goons & Co. create. Reading here is almost like watching another episode of this vampire saga...
And yet you make the personal choice to continue do it.
Whats wrong with you, you do know you don't have to read stuff you don't like right? |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
1102
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:40:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Whitehound wrote:If I ever leave then it is more likely because of all the drama Goons & Co. create. Reading here is almost like watching another episode of this vampire saga... And yet you make the personal choice to continue do it. Whats wrong with you, you do know you don't have to read stuff you don't like right?
FYI, don't bother replying to Jenn here. They use their own close-minded world view as if it's law and that you MUST agree, or you're wrong and a "second class citizen."
Confirming Jenn aSide for first class troll.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
1147
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:43:00 -
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TheBlueMonkey wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Malcanis wrote:What's good about EVE other than that the players are allowed the maximum possible freedom to interact with each other? Many people don't want freedom, they want guaranteed positive outcomes (just like in real life lol). Most MMOs try to give them that, which is why most fail. Do you remember how awesome Starwars galaxies was when becoming a Jedi was hard? And a 10 vs 1 fight was fair because Jedi's were badass? That was awesome, huge amounts of fun and when you met a Jedi it was all "ooooo, you're amazings" Then they changed it so EVERYONE was a Jedi within 5mins of starting the game... and then subscriptions fell away. Anything worth having is rarely easy to acquire and easy to acquire things are rarely worth having.
Spot on my blue tinted Simian friend (lol). And yet soooo many people ask for more and more and more not realizing they are turning the gold they have into dirt.
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Whitehound
378
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:46:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:And yet ... More drama. Go away. |
Mister S Burke
Earths Naval Space Command The Mandalorians
22
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:47:00 -
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Corey Fumimasa wrote:Mister S Burke wrote:Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Are you saying that you just started playing Eve a couple of months ago?! Just shut up if that's the case! Your opinion is like raw bacon, or cookies made without butter and sugar, or like someone who lives under a bridge and charges a toll. WTF that like thread griefing.
Oh did I forget to ask permission from some old fogey if I could speak. A thousand apologies his majesty. Get over yourself, no one could tell I was new until I said as much. I know you guys act like it takes years of study to even undock from a noob station but frankly this game isn't that hard. It is hard compared to other MMOs but let's face it, it is still just a video game. You old times act like it take a degree from MIT to even load a weapon on a ship. You were given the benefit of the doubt, people here wanted to speak with you and to understand your position and reasoning on the assumption that you have spent some time in Eve and are a part of the community. I am not an "old fogey" and in any case ones opinion here is not validated by age, rather by speaking with an understanding of the subject at hand, and by presenting your ideas in a clear and transparent format. You absolutely don't need permission to speak here, this is Eve do what you want. But don't expect the mechanics of this place to forgive your misunderstanding.
People have been speaking with me and they have been civil, you however told me to "shut up." So congratulations on bringing incivility to the table but I will not respond in kind. Yes I am new which puts me in the perfect position to discuss the topic. I was on trial in December, I subbed. You guys can see subs but you don't see the many people who never subbed because of the "harsh cold, bs ganking from the ghost of gaming past". You all are too high up in your ivory towers to see what is going on. I saw that and I have that perspective to bring to the table. My voice is needed because there are too many ganker alts just crying over the potential loss of their victims.
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Corey Fumimasa
The Advent of Faith
2
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:47:00 -
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IGÇÖve talked with a few carebears over the years and I have come to believe that they canGÇÖt PvP. Not because they donGÇÖt want to kill the griefers and gankers, but because they physically canGÇÖt do it. They freeze up at the keyboard when they get attacked.
Maybe if they were eased into it and trained they could get over that reflex, but it would take months or years to do.
It might be easier to give them a mechanic that they could prepare before combat, perhaps a castle building exercise of sorts. Let them hire NPC mercs in different types of ships and build a little npc fleet that they could preset some options for. So when they get attacked and freeze up the NPCGÇÖs will jump in and rep them and jam the attackers, giving the carebear a chance to warp out or perhaps even collect themselves enough to target the aggressor and actually shoot back.
Or maybe much longer locktimes across the board; the PvP community would adjust and it might allow the carebears time to react in a meaningful way. Or maybe just longer locktimes in highsec! Oh thatGÇÖs a great idea, it would push some PvPers into low and null, reduce suicide ganking, and maybe give care-bears a chance to do something besides stare dumbly at the screen and pray for CONCORD to show up.
Whatever the solution I think it needs to look at why some people donGÇÖt PvP.
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Riedle
Paradox Collective Choke Point
256
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:48:00 -
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Mister S Burke wrote:Andreus Ixiris wrote:Mister S Burke wrote:Wrong, I subbed in December and I am here to tell you it was in spite of the fact that some Thrasher srub suicide ganked my little ship and not because of it. I know at least 3 people who didn't sub because of that kind of BS. They uninstalled and went to another game and never looked back. Then with all due respect ot them they're probably not the kind of people who were suited to play EVE Online anyway. EVE Online has never had the mass-market appeal of World of Warcraft and it has never needed or aimed for it. EVE Online is a game in which at any point, at any time after you click undock, you are in danger of losing your ship. It will experience success by continuing in that vein. If you're not prepared to deal with that, you should probably let your subscription lapse. Yes, I just think there is a happy medium to get more people into the game as we all know it can take some time for it to "click". It can be hard enough to get around and get going then you add someone blowing up what little you have right at the start. I think things can be made more starter PVE friendly without turning anything into wow. WoW would be as small as EVE if you got stripped naked every time you died.
Confirmed, you want a consequence free game - this is not the game you are playing and it will not become that game.
With all due respect, you are subbed for a little over a month? Perhaps you should consider adjusting to the decade old game you are playing rather than demand the decade old game conform to what your 30 day long view of what this game is or should be.
Really, you lost a thrasher - hardly a reason to cry about it and certainly not a reason for CCP to change a successful game. You are just going to have to accept it.
Riedke |
Mister S Burke
Earths Naval Space Command The Mandalorians
22
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:50:00 -
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Riedle wrote:[quote=Mister S Burke]
Incorrect. The OP exists because the OP misread the CSM minutes to think that CCP wants a consequence free arrangement in highsec which is could not be further from the truth.
HTFU or GTFO
No! No! Look at how THESE sheep entrails are arranged!! What does HTFU mean, I must confess I'm a closet nerd and deal with regular people on a daily basis.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
1150
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:50:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:And yet ... More drama. Go away.
And yet again, rather than take responsibility for your own choices, you'd rather think the problem is me. This is not a good way to live ones life, but to each his own.
You choose to read this stuff, that's your fault, no one else's. |
Riedle
Paradox Collective Choke Point
256
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:50:00 -
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Mister S Burke wrote:Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Are you saying that you just started playing Eve a couple of months ago?! Just shut up if that's the case! Your opinion is like raw bacon, or cookies made without butter and sugar, or like someone who lives under a bridge and charges a toll. WTF that like thread griefing.
Oh did I forget to ask permission from some old fogey if I could speak. A thousand apologies his majesty. Get over yourself, no one could tell I was new until I said as much. I know you guys act like it takes years of study to even undock from a noob station but frankly this game isn't that hard. It is hard compared to other MMOs but let's face it, it is still just a video game. You old times act like it take a degree from MIT to even load a weapon on a ship.
I could tell you were new. You are full of entitlement. You have a misconception of what EVE is. You have an oversized sense of how important you think you are.
Riedle |
Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
20
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:50:00 -
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Jint Hikaru wrote:Speaking as someone who avoids PvP and is fairly carebear (but not afraid to go into WH or low/zero sec when needed)....
Making Hisec fully non-pvp will not be good for the game.
It may bring in, or retain, a few more players.... but the game as a whole will loose a lot of its street cred. And also probably loose some of its longer standing players.
I don't know.
The truth of the matter EvE the game and its subsequent development will only be around if there are many subscriptions paying the bills.
So lets say there are 450,000 subscriptions and we'll just assume that everyone pays $14.95 per month to play (this is obviously not the case since Plex is actually more and some people pay less by paying yearly for their subscriptions. Also this in USD and no the Euro excludes taxes).
So the total CCP makes gross per month is $6,727,500
If 1% of players quite because of ganking then that is 4500 players which doesn't seem like a lot over all.
But that is $67,275 in lost revenue.
Thats more than a years worth for a computer programmer used to advance eve.
The numbers might even be higher depending (it might be lower as we don't have the numbers of ganks from CCP).
Now the question you have to ask is "Will more people quit EvE because they can't gank than quite because they are ganked?" If the answer is more people will quit because they are ganked then obviously CCP is finacially obligated as a business to cut back on the possible ganking.
The best evidence to prove that CCP actually loses subscriptions (and money) due to ganking is simply the fact they buffed minging barges after hulkageddon.
If there was no finacial reason to buff the mining barges they would not have spent the resources (development, Q&A, and balancing) to actually have made the change.
In conclusion the truth of the matter is CCP is obligated as a business to reduce ganking and other activies that reduce subscriptions.
I predict this will happen whether you protest on the forums or not as the forums are only a fraction of the player base.
I suspect CCP knows that gankers will just play other forms of PvP when they nerf ganking in the future. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby" |
Whitehound
378
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:52:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:And yet ... More drama.
Are you this blind that you cannot see that I won't care for your comments? |
Fanatic Row
DED Drug Enforcement Department
28
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:54:00 -
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I think it is pretty obvious that CCP wants some level of ganking and non-consensual PvP in hi-sec.
The difference between CCP and the average "just want to blow stuff up" pilot, is that CCP sees it as acceptable when it's goal-oriented. Goals drive conflict and conflict keeps EVE alive. All playstyles.
Just blowing stuff up drives nothing. The people doing it either get bored or run out of stuff to blow up, since nobody sticks around to get blown up if there's no reason to stick around.
It happened to low-sec and it's slowly happening to null-sec. In the end, nobody wins.
It can't happen to hi-sec, hi-sec is the incubator in EVE. Blow it up and everything will eventually fade away.
That's why CCP is looking into hi-sec PvP. Looking for ways to add goals. Stuff like POCOs in hi-sec, better structure for war decs and transferable kill-rights.
They aren't looking to remove non-consensual PvP in hi-sec, but add structure and goals. Because FFA PvP with no goals has killed every single MMO that tried it. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
1152
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:58:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:Jint Hikaru wrote:Speaking as someone who avoids PvP and is fairly carebear (but not afraid to go into WH or low/zero sec when needed)....
Making Hisec fully non-pvp will not be good for the game.
It may bring in, or retain, a few more players.... but the game as a whole will loose a lot of its street cred. And also probably loose some of its longer standing players. I don't know. The truth of the matter EvE the game and its subsequent development will only be around if there are many subscriptions paying the bills. So lets say there are 450,000 subscriptions and we'll just assume that everyone pays $14.95 per month to play (this is obviously not the case since Plex is actually more and some people pay less by paying yearly for their subscriptions. Also this in USD and no the Euro excludes taxes). So the total CCP makes gross per month is $6,727,500 If 1% of players quite because of ganking then that is 4500 players which doesn't seem like a lot over all. But that is $67,275 in lost revenue. Thats more than a years worth for a computer programmer used to advance eve. The numbers might even be higher depending (it might be lower as we don't have the numbers of ganks from CCP). Now the question you have to ask is "Will more people quit EvE because they can't gank than quite because they are ganked?" If the answer is more people will quit because they are ganked then obviously CCP is finacially obligated as a business to cut back on the possible ganking. The best evidence to prove that CCP actually loses subscriptions (and money) due to ganking is simply the fact they buffed minging barges after hulkageddon. If there was no finacial reason to buff the mining barges they would not have spent the resources (development, Q&A, and balancing) to actually have made the change. In conclusion the truth of the matter is CCP is obligated as a business to reduce ganking and other activies that reduce subscriptions. I predict this will happen whether you protest on the forums or not as the forums are only a fraction of the player base. I suspect CCP knows that gankers will just play other forms of PvP when they nerf ganking in the future.
The problem is you have no proof that "ganking" reduces subscriptions. You create a false dichotomy (it's either the gankers of or the ganked people will go).
What DOES happen is people get ganked all the time and......nothing. A small minority of ganked people yell and holler and cry on the forums or file a petition (only to be told bascially HTFU lol) or maybe even quit (EVe wasn't for them in the 1st place if ANY player action can cause them to quit).
But the vast majority (evidenced by EVE online's continual growth and survival over the last 10 years) say GF, learn from their mistakes quietly and move on. The small minority of crying types cling to the idea that everyone is like them and thus will quit like them if "ganking" is allowed.
Funny thing is, the people who SAY they are going to quit after getting ganked or scammed seldom do....
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Mister S Burke
Earths Naval Space Command The Mandalorians
22
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:59:00 -
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Riedle wrote:[quote=Mister S Burke]
Confirmed, you want a consequence free game - this is not the game you are playing and it will not become that game.
With all due respect, you are subbed for a little over a month? Perhaps you should consider adjusting to the decade old game you are playing rather than demand the decade old game conform to what your 30 day long view of what this game is or should be.
Really, you lost a thrasher - hardly a reason to cry about it and certainly not a reason for CCP to change a successful game. You are just going to have to accept it.
Riedke
You need to read more. I don't have a dog in this fight, check the killboard, see any dead haulers or mining ships? I don't mine or carebear. I do PVP support in fleets. You are reading what you want to read at this point. I am saying that CCP has to get over catering to griefing or we are going to be stuck roaming and playing grabasss on gates instead of pew pewing. I just don't think EVE revolves around griefing, if it does though and I am wrong it's days are numbered. You have to remember Anarchy Online is still up what 13 years later? EVE is only a year and a half older than wow. CCP wants some more benjamins and I don't blame them. They can do that without theme-parking.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
1152
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Posted - 2013.01.17 16:00:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:And yet ... More drama. Are you this blind that you cannot see that I won't care for your comments?
And yet every reply to me is evidence of my dominion and power over you, power that you CHOOSE to give me by replying. It's like you're making yourself my slave, and thus are forcing me (A person with a Gallente White Chick Avatar) to go Full on Amarrian!
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
7160
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Posted - 2013.01.17 16:01:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Malcanis wrote:What's good about EVE other than that the players are allowed the maximum possible freedom to interact with each other? Many people don't want freedom, they want guaranteed positive outcomes (just like in real life lol). Most MMOs try to give them that, which is why most fail.
If you would destroy a man, give him what he wants.
- Boulet. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |
baltec1
Bat Country
4778
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Posted - 2013.01.17 16:02:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:
The best evidence to prove that CCP actually loses subscriptions (and money) due to ganking is simply the fact they buffed minging barges after hulkageddon.
Wrong. The barges were slated for teircide with the introduction of the mining frigate. Unfortunatly thanks to the 8 months of whines from miners CCP were fooled into thinking upping the tank on the mack was a good idea. As a result the teircide failed and we ended up with the same problem with barges that we had before in there being one barge for everything. |
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