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Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2137	Posted - 2013.01.25 05:42:00 - [181] - Quote Galaxy Pig wrote: Thank you sir, I fixed it ;) Yes, of course the starter systems not just the station, and Arnola (Sisters of EVE arc system) if I'm not mistaken. Anyway, CCP, if anyone is listening, I'm happy with the current PLEX system and scammability of noobs. ;) Good work. I should probably also mention that never leaving the starter system doesn't give you immunity from such actions either. The Adventures of a Belligerent Undesirable
Galaxy Pig New Order Logistics CODE. 664	Posted - 2013.01.25 05:52:00 - [182] - Quote Should we go regulate in Duripant right now? We should probably make sure there aren't any month-olds in there thinking EVE won't find them.
Garou Carew Ordo Carnifex 3	Posted - 2013.01.25 05:53:00 - [183] - Quote Interestingly enough there was a case in Japan several years ago that set a precedent for theft of virtual property under International Law, the malefactor was convicted in absentia and the gaming company was required to replace the virtual goods taken. Not all jurisdictions recognise gaming company agreements as legal contracts and international warrants can be issued where local/state legislation overrides them.
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2138	Posted - 2013.01.25 05:56:00 - [184] - Quote Garou Carew wrote: Interestingly enough there was a case in Japan several years ago that set a precedent for theft of virtual property under International Law, the malefactor was convicted in absentia and the gaming company was required to replace the virtual goods taken. Not all jurisdictions recognise gaming company agreements as legal contracts and international warrants can be issued where local/state legislation overrides them. Source? The Adventures of a Belligerent Undesirable
Galaxy Pig New Order Logistics CODE. 664	Posted - 2013.01.25 05:58:00 - [185] - Quote Ya, links or that didn't happen.
Arduemont Rotten Legion Ops THE ROYAL NAVY 1178	Posted - 2013.01.25 06:05:00 - [186] - Quote I am pretty sure acts like this contribute to Eve's over all low new player retention. Now, frankly, what happened in this instance is appalling, but I understand and like the fact that Eve is a harsh and foreboding environment. Although I have never done any scamming myself (unless you count asking for a 1 vs 1 and then ganking someone. I justified that to myself because I would have ruined them 1 vs 1 anyway, so it didn't make his chances any worse. = P ), and so if scamming disappeared tomorrow it wouldn't cause me any hassle at all, I understand and appreciate people wanting to keep scamming in the game. That said, something needs to be done to stop assholes scaring off new players, because it's not good for Eve, and that's not good for us. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice."
Daisai The Riot Formation Unclaimed. 70	Posted - 2013.01.25 06:11:00 - [187] - Quote Corey Fumimasa wrote: Jita iswhereIsit wrote: Its part of the game, as long as he didn't use the recruitment channel or the help channel directly then whoever scammed him did nothing wrong. Against the rules and Wrong are 2 different things. It was wrong. Scamming a few million isk is one thing, but that was 20$, and now the kid feels like **** about the game. No reason for that. And that is why eve online has never became a succes subscription number wise. New players might end up with a bad experience, together with a long training time to do the fun stuff.
Galaxy Pig New Order Logistics CODE. 664	Posted - 2013.01.25 06:14:00 - [188] - Quote Any ideas???? Oh dang, there's not any ideas that aren't complete arbitrary nonsense that only lend themselves to exploit (see Malcanis' law), and ruin EVE's street-cred. You'll never improve player retention much without gutting EVE. Most MMO players can't hang in this game.
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2138	Posted - 2013.01.25 06:17:00 - [189] - Quote Daisai wrote: And that is why eve online has never became a succes subscription number wise. New players might end up with a bad experience, together with a long training time to do the fun stuff. Like real life scams, EVE scams can be easily avoided by reading words & using common sense. EVE's success in subscription numbers comes in the form of steadily rising numbers for 10 years running. The Adventures of a Belligerent Undesirable
FluffyDice Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension 466	Posted - 2013.01.25 06:22:00 - [190] - Quote The guy who stole this PLEX is a champ. So many soft whiners posting in this thread though. Scamming is a big part of the game. If people can't do a small amount of research before playing and realise this then I really have no sympathy for them.
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2138	Posted - 2013.01.25 06:26:00 - [191] - Quote FluffyDice wrote: The guy who stole this PLEX is a champ. If it actually happened. This thread is another one of those "I heard about this from another person" threads. The Adventures of a Belligerent Undesirable
Hilmar Fudd Wery Wascally Wabbits 18	Posted - 2013.01.25 06:27:00 - [192] - Quote [quote}=Andskis is clearly indicative that it is a game intended for 11 year olds"[/quote] Wow, fwum yu potwait is u age gwoup? Goonswawm is bunch of wewdos, fow weal. Is it twu many devs bewong to dem?
Daisai The Riot Formation Unclaimed. 70	Posted - 2013.01.25 06:28:00 - [193] - Quote Mallak Azaria wrote: Daisai wrote: And that is why eve online has never became a succes subscription number wise. New players might end up with a bad experience, together with a long training time to do the fun stuff. Like real life scams, EVE scams can be easily avoided by reading words & using common sense. EVE's success in subscription numbers comes in the form of steadily rising numbers for 10 years running. Eve online is a game.... Eve online subscription numbers are 400k atm thanks to a 2nd server in china, most of which are multiboxing accounts. A steady increase yes, but most of which are plexed accounts from the same owners, but still a very low number for mmo's.
Hilmar Fudd Wery Wascally Wabbits 18	Posted - 2013.01.25 06:30:00 - [194] - Quote FluffyDice wrote: Am too dum to make iskies except fow scamming. U hab bots?
Bagrat Skalski Poseidaon 138	Posted - 2013.01.25 06:31:00 - [195] - Quote Quote: No, the problem is with PLEX. It is a problem because it puts too much value into a package that is too vulnerable. It's a feature, not a problem. If you bought PLEX from CCP, it's real money for CCP and features that you can sell to someone else for ISK. You are in the middle of the PLEX chain, and earning ISKs. Whole value of PLEX can be derived from the features it adds to your account when you use it, ISK value is dependant on the state of game economy, this is like a self regulating system. CCP don't have to regulate the price for it. Players do it. It is best that way. Inside mining barge, true story
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2138	Posted - 2013.01.25 06:32:00 - [196] - Quote Daisai wrote: Mallak Azaria wrote: Daisai wrote: And that is why eve online has never became a succes subscription number wise. New players might end up with a bad experience, together with a long training time to do the fun stuff. Like real life scams, EVE scams can be easily avoided by reading words & using common sense. EVE's success in subscription numbers comes in the form of steadily rising numbers for 10 years running. Eve online is a game.... Really? I never would've guessed... Daisai wrote: Eve online subscription numbers are 400k atm thanks to a 2nd server in china, most of which are multiboxing accounts. A steady increase yes, but most of which are plexed accounts from the same owners, but still a very low number for mmo's. The 400k number you just handed out has nothing to do with China's subs, & that number is wrong anyway. It's a low number because it's a niche game. The masses like cookie-cutter MMO's, which EVE is not. The Adventures of a Belligerent Undesirable
Danalee Wicked Intention 0	Posted - 2013.01.25 06:32:00 - [197] - Quote I think the guys sympathysing with this 'kid' are doing it just because... well... It's a kid! The first time you logon to eve there is this big wall of text you need to accept, if you would read it, you would see that kids are not allowed to play EVE. So naturally we need to assume the 'kid' in this wonderous tale is at least 18Years old. Now... an 18 year old dude, who got a plex from his mom got scammed. I personally find that pretty funny :) D.
baltec1 Bat Country 4904	Posted - 2013.01.25 06:37:00 - [198] - Quote Daisai wrote: Mallak Azaria wrote: Daisai wrote: And that is why eve online has never became a succes subscription number wise. New players might end up with a bad experience, together with a long training time to do the fun stuff. Like real life scams, EVE scams can be easily avoided by reading words & using common sense. EVE's success in subscription numbers comes in the form of steadily rising numbers for 10 years running. Eve online is a game.... Eve online subscription numbers are 400k atm thanks to a 2nd server in china, most of which are multiboxing accounts. A steady increase yes, but most of which are plexed accounts from the same owners, but still a very low number for mmo's. Yet it still has more subs than all the ndw mmos to ome out over the last five years.
Mistah Ewedynao Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 358	Posted - 2013.01.25 06:39:00 - [199] - Quote Wow! The goon damage control boys are on this like stink on crap! Wonder why? Nerf Goons Nuke em from orbit....it's the only way to be sure.
Galaxy Pig New Order Logistics CODE. 664	Posted - 2013.01.25 06:47:00 - [200] - Quote 'Cause the omniscient CIA word-recognition software detected the words "scamming new players"?
baltec1 Bat Country 4904	Posted - 2013.01.25 06:54:00 - [201] - Quote Mistah Ewedynao wrote: Wow! The goon damage control boys are on this like stink on crap! Wonder why? To stop another bad change like the barge buff from happening.
Daisai The Riot Formation Unclaimed. 70	Posted - 2013.01.25 06:59:00 - [202] - Quote Mallak Azaria wrote: Daisai wrote: Mallak Azaria wrote: Daisai wrote: And that is why eve online has never became a succes subscription number wise. New players might end up with a bad experience, together with a long training time to do the fun stuff. Like real life scams, EVE scams can be easily avoided by reading words & using common sense. EVE's success in subscription numbers comes in the form of steadily rising numbers for 10 years running. Eve online is a game.... Really? I never would've guessed... Daisai wrote: Eve online subscription numbers are 400k atm thanks to a 2nd server in china, most of which are multiboxing accounts. A steady increase yes, but most of which are plexed accounts from the same owners, but still a very low number for mmo's. The 400k number you just handed out has nothing to do with China's subs, & that number is wrong anyway. It's a low number because it's a niche game. The masses like cookie-cutter MMO's, which EVE is not. http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/12/12/eve-online-breaks-the-450k-subscriber-mark/ "EVE developer CCP partnered up with TianCity to bring the sandbox back into the Chinese market. According to a CCP press release, the game's business in China has surpassed expectations." Anyway, using the excuse that eve online is a niche game is false. Alot of succesfull games have sandbox elements, im not saying the low subscription numbers are only because of the unfriendly attitude towards new players. However its a big factor as to why new players would easily stop playing the game ones they had a bad experience at the start.
Mistah Ewedynao Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 358	Posted - 2013.01.25 07:00:00 - [203] - Quote Galaxy Pig wrote: 'Cause the omniscient CIA word-recognition software detected the words "scamming new players"? And like the New Order lame bumpers aren't Goons? Nerf Goons Nuke em from orbit....it's the only way to be sure.
Mistah Ewedynao Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 358	Posted - 2013.01.25 07:02:00 - [204] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Mistah Ewedynao wrote: Wow! The goon damage control boys are on this like stink on crap! Wonder why? To stop another bad change like the barge buff from happening. So you can't gank a 200M ship with a couple of 20M dessies? No idea why that happened? So...in a nutshell, your game is ganking, scamming noobs? Nerf Goons Nuke em from orbit....it's the only way to be sure.
Psychotic Monk The Skunkworks 570	Posted - 2013.01.25 07:10:00 - [205] - Quote Mistah, are you actually argueing that the tank or dps of a ship should be tied to price? Are you saying that it should take 20 10m isk ships to kill a 200m isk ship? And you expect this will somehow help little old 8m-isk-per-hour bot aspirant miner against active players who actually do things? Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Mistah Ewedynao Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 358	Posted - 2013.01.25 07:20:00 - [206] - Quote Psychotic Monk wrote: Mistah, are you actually argueing that the tank or dps of a ship should be tied to price? Are you saying that it should take 20 10m isk ships to kill a 200m isk ship? And you expect this will somehow help little old 8m-isk-per-hour bot aspirant miner against active players who actually do things? No. And yes I tank my exhumers when forced to mine. No way is it fair that a couple of cheap dessies should be able to gank a 200M isk Hulk. That, or Hulk's should go the way of the Wooly Mammoths. Gank all the bot's u want, hell I will help. Fine line between a working miner and a bot though. I would suggest more bot reporting if you are sincerely concerned about them. If you are just butt hurt about your loss of easy, cheap ganks...well...just...HTFU...and adapt! Nerf Goons Nuke em from orbit....it's the only way to be sure.
baltec1 Bat Country 4904	Posted - 2013.01.25 07:21:00 - [207] - Quote Mistah Ewedynao wrote: baltec1 wrote: Mistah Ewedynao wrote: Wow! The goon damage control boys are on this like stink on crap! Wonder why? To stop another bad change like the barge buff from happening. So you can't gank a 200M ship with a couple of 20M dessies? No idea why that happened? So...in a nutshell, your game is ganking, scamming noobs? Hull cost has no impact upon the gank target. 90% of subcaps are profitable to gank if they fit no tank and t2 mods.
Mistah Ewedynao Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 358	Posted - 2013.01.25 07:25:00 - [208] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Mistah Ewedynao wrote: baltec1 wrote: Mistah Ewedynao wrote: Wow! The goon damage control boys are on this like stink on crap! Wonder why? To stop another bad change like the barge buff from happening. So you can't gank a 200M ship with a couple of 20M dessies? No idea why that happened? So...in a nutshell, your game is ganking, scamming noobs? Hull cost has no impact upon the gank target. 90% of subcaps are profitable to gank if they fit no tank and t2 mods. Actually, the math fascinates me. Gonna take now...what 2 or 3 Nado's to one volley a well tanked hulk? Doesn't sound profitable to me? What if the guy has an ASB and Crystals? Nerf Goons Nuke em from orbit....it's the only way to be sure.
FluffyDice Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension 466	Posted - 2013.01.25 07:28:00 - [209] - Quote Hilmar Fudd wrote: FluffyDice wrote: Am too dum to make iskies except fow scamming. I hab no valid argments so I erm going 2 tipe like a spastic and fake qwote ppl. Good to know.
baltec1 Bat Country 4906	Posted - 2013.01.25 07:37:00 - [210] - Quote Mistah Ewedynao wrote: baltec1 wrote: Mistah Ewedynao wrote: baltec1 wrote: Mistah Ewedynao wrote: Wow! The goon damage control boys are on this like stink on crap! Wonder why? To stop another bad change like the barge buff from happening. So you can't gank a 200M ship with a couple of 20M dessies? No idea why that happened? So...in a nutshell, your game is ganking, scamming noobs? Hull cost has no impact upon the gank target. 90% of subcaps are profitable to gank if they fit no tank and t2 mods. Actually, the math fascinates me. Gonna take now...what 2 or 3 Nado's to one volley a well tanked hulk? Doesn't sound profitable to me? What if the guy has an ASB and Crystals? It took 3 nados to take down a well tanked hulk before the patch, 5 for a supertank. Needless to say that it was massivly unprofitable to do that so it ever happened outside of hulkageddon and even then it was the very last target you would go for.

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