There are some protections against harassing the really new players, though I think the biggest and most bannable offense is shooting at them in their starter systems or tricking them into aggressing you. Scamming new players out of a PLEX is something one should probably avoid, just because you don't want CCP deciding that you're costing them more than you're providing. They can invoke the grey rule on you and ban you for just about anything that causes them grief.

As for the moral side of it, I don't pass judgement on those who scam. It is up to the individual to protect themselves from scams by paying attention to warnings and making sure they understand the impact of their actions. I think a new player is warned very early that their in-game items are temporary and can be lost. It is up to the player to read these messages and take heed.

If you feel bad for those who fall to these scams, you can do your part to help by scamming newer or less experienced players out of smaller things. Once they get used to the brutal nature of the game and the players within it, they will begin to be more careful. Also, experiencing the various types of scams will help them to know what to look out for. For best results, don't give them their stuff back, or only give them part of it back. The actual loss may do as much to teach them as having watched it happen.

That is a great way to look at the situation. New players should get a bunch of smaller items to trade and learn with, not one that can be lost in the first exchange. Smaller items can still be scammed and stolen but the new player will learn the game and come back to Eve.

People don't spend money on things that they don't enjoy for one reason or another.

Trying to buy ISK with RL money and then being forced to use a trade system that is designed with the possibility of deception and manipulation and then being ripped off is not fun.

They will probably not buy another PLEX or come back to the sandbox.

The sandbox will shut down if people don't send CCP enough real money to pay staff and keep the servers running.

Allowing someone to come in and look around a bit and taking their ISK a little bit at a time does not make Eve any less grim and dark and dangerous. It makes Eve more vibrant and interesting. And even though the mark got ripped off they will most likely come back with more money in the future.

so you're suggesting that CCP sell ISK outright

it's almost like you don't understand why PLEX exists and why CCP doesn't sell ISK outright

go think about that for a bit

I'm suggesting that PLEX be removed as an option for new players to buy in game items. There are many other options which will better allow a new player to buy a few in game items and look around at Eve, idc which one they implement in its stead so long as it allows someone buying in game currency to play with it a bit, and that experience makes them more likely to come back to Eve and spend some more money.

I'm suggesting that PLEX be removed as an option for new players to buy in game items. There are many other options which will better allow a new player to buy a few in game items and look around at Eve, idc which one they implement in its stead so long as it allows someone buying in game currency to play with it a bit, and that experience makes them more likely to come back to Eve and spend some more money.

because new players are obviously the only buyers of PLEX right

because new players are obviously the only buyers of PLEX right

PLEX should still be an option in game. But it should be buried on the accounts page so that only veteran pilots will find it.

When a new player or his parents, grandparents, uncle, cousin, friend, want to spend extra money on Eve the option they first see available should be one that allows the new player in to Eve and gives them some time to look around and enjoy their experience here. That wont make Eve less dangerous or safe. It will make Eve more vibrant and profitable.

You guys are not going to find a secret agenda, I have none. I don't like business practices that drive away money and I don't like it when people manipulate facts for personal gain.

PLEX should still be an option in game. But it should be buried on the accounts page so that only veteran pilots will find it.

I don't like business practices that drive away money and I don't like it when people manipulate facts for personal gain.

No thanks to P2W "safe" ISK from midair. Solves no problem, generates many.

Where do you draw the line? I can scam someone out of "safe" ISK for $$$ just as fast as I can scam a PLEX. We'd be hearing about "Mommy bought me $30 worth of ISK for my birthday and some mean person sold me a piece of Carbon that I thought was a Charon!"

I don't even care if the if the value of PLEX is greater, making it the better option. Only that the initiated are not exposed to the risks of PLEX.

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Here's a shocker for you; Your idea would do exactly that. Advertising PLEX makes CCP money. Why would they stop doing that just because you heard about something that might not have happened?

The risk being an utter inability to work out that 0 does not equal 600,000,000.

There is (or was?) an exploit involving the trade window. I haven't used the trade window in years with a stranger, so I have no idea if it's ever been fixed. But people used to get scammed all the time due to a faulty interface, not due to their own mistake. Their 'stupidity' was in the fact that they were unaware of the bug/exploit itself.

The risk being that the in game exchange system, be it contracts or market or station trade, is designed to have some room for fraud.

Most people find the game more enjoyable having to earn their way. Buying PLEX & selling it on the market diminishes the whole experience & makes them less likely to continue playing.

They can advertise whatever the replacement is as easily as advertising PLEX.