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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6474
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Posted - 2013.01.25 18:03:00 -
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prohibiting plex scams isn't going to bring in more new players period, stop talking ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |

Corey Fumimasa
The Advent of Faith
64
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Posted - 2013.01.25 18:07:00 -
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Andski wrote:prohibiting plex scams isn't going to bring in more new players period, stop talking It will cause more to stay.
This is a youtube playlist going over my first 30 ship losses. Video sucks but the audio came out well.There are some good lessons, and if you know the game there's some funny stories. |

Corey Fumimasa
The Advent of Faith
64
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Posted - 2013.01.25 18:10:00 -
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Corey Fumimasa wrote:Andski wrote:prohibiting plex scams isn't going to bring in more new players period, stop talking It will cause more to stay.
Jump up and down on one foot!
This is a youtube playlist going over my first 30 ship losses. Video sucks but the audio came out well.There are some good lessons, and if you know the game there's some funny stories. |

baltec1
Bat Country
4925
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Posted - 2013.01.25 18:16:00 -
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Corey Fumimasa wrote:Andski wrote:prohibiting plex scams isn't going to bring in more new players period, stop talking It will cause more to stay.
No it wont. |

Lovely Dumplings
Lambda Mining
51
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Posted - 2013.01.25 18:20:00 -
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I'm not seeing a connection between PLEX and new people, here. You tend to outstrip easy ISK generation at what, around BC/BS range? Even at "I'm a dumb noob flying a ship I can't fit", that's still a couple weeks in.
If you haven't figured out EVE is a harsh world full of scams by then...
The whole "newbie" argument is just a red herring. True don't often buy PLEX. When they do, they buy, redeem, and directly sell to a buy order.
I don't see a reason for screwing with a system that works. Lord knows, EVE has very few of those as is. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6475
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Posted - 2013.01.25 18:59:00 -
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Lovely Dumplings wrote:I don't see a reason for screwing with a system that works. Lord knows, EVE has very few of those as is.
Because kids or something apparently ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2142
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Posted - 2013.01.25 19:01:00 -
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Mike Mulder wrote:CCP has a vested interest in not letting people scam/grief noobs.
You can freely scam them, but it's looked down upon by the player base & very few people do it as a result. The Adventures of a Belligerent Undesirable |

Google Voices
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2013.01.25 19:01:00 -
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The Plex system is not the problem. It's the lack of a real tutorial on the game.
New players come in, get basic training from the tutorial system and go on their way. Unless they know someone in game, they have very little idea how the game really works. CCP needs to put actual useful information in the tutorial, things that pod pilots really need to know about the universe they live in.
How about a scamming tutorial? A spy tutorial? An alt tutorial.....
I am the voices of Google! Want answers? Learn to read...... |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2142
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Posted - 2013.01.25 19:02:00 -
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Corey Fumimasa wrote:Maybe it was me.
And that is the point, If the kid came to help bitching about a lost ship no one would care. Yet this instance of a PLEX scam produces 13 pages and 2000 hits.
PLEX is different and it needs to be treated differently.
He isn't here complaining about it though. It's you using a made up story to push for changes to PLEX, probably because you got scammed. The Adventures of a Belligerent Undesirable |

Google Voices
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2013.01.25 19:03:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Mike Mulder wrote:CCP has a vested interest in not letting people scam/grief noobs. You can freely scam them, but it's looked down upon by the player base & very few people do it as a result.
I'm looking hard for the sarcasm tag...but I'm not seein it.... I am the voices of Google! Want answers? Learn to read...... |
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2142
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Posted - 2013.01.25 19:05:00 -
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Corey Fumimasa wrote:allow people to buy items in game with no risk
This should tell you why your ideas are awful. The Adventures of a Belligerent Undesirable |

Corey Fumimasa
The Advent of Faith
64
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Posted - 2013.01.25 19:30:00 -
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Google Voices wrote:The Plex system is not the problem. It's the lack of a real tutorial on the game. New players come in, get basic training from the tutorial system and go on their way. Unless they know someone in game, they have very little idea how the game really works. CCP needs to put actual useful information in the tutorial, things that pod pilots really need to know about the universe they live in. How about a scamming tutorial? A spy tutorial? An alt tutorial..... 
Thats a great point. I tried to play through the tutorial the other day and just couldn't do it. There is prolly a lot of way s that they could be made better.
This is a youtube playlist going over my first 30 ship losses. Video sucks but the audio came out well.There are some good lessons, and if you know the game there's some funny stories. |

Corey Fumimasa
The Advent of Faith
64
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Posted - 2013.01.25 19:34:00 -
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Do Goons have hangers full of PLEX with some idea of a way to hyper inflate the price of PLEX?
Oh, maybe just by making PLEX a bad buy for new players by scamming them, less PLEX will be bought and the return on the stockpiled Goon PLEX will be substantial.
Thats a neat idea. Is there any way to see what people have in their lockers? That would be a neat in game option. Spy nanopaste!
This is a youtube playlist going over my first 30 ship losses. Video sucks but the audio came out well.There are some good lessons, and if you know the game there's some funny stories. |

Corey Fumimasa
The Advent of Faith
64
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Posted - 2013.01.25 19:35:00 -
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Corey Fumimasa wrote:Do Goons have hangers full of PLEX with some idea of a way to hyper inflate the price of PLEX?
Oh, maybe just by making PLEX a bad buy for new players by scamming them, less PLEX will be bought and the return on the stockpiled Goon PLEX will be substantial.
Thats a neat idea. Is there any way to see what people have in their lockers? That would be a neat in game option. Spy nanopaste!
Got to be something more than just scam based inflation. It would be a great way to suck ISK out of highsec though.
This is a youtube playlist going over my first 30 ship losses. Video sucks but the audio came out well.There are some good lessons, and if you know the game there's some funny stories. |

Corey Fumimasa
The Advent of Faith
64
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Posted - 2013.01.25 19:36:00 -
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Corey Fumimasa wrote:Corey Fumimasa wrote:Do Goons have hangers full of PLEX with some idea of a way to hyper inflate the price of PLEX?
Oh, maybe just by making PLEX a bad buy for new players by scamming them, less PLEX will be bought and the return on the stockpiled Goon PLEX will be substantial.
Thats a neat idea. Is there any way to see what people have in their lockers? That would be a neat in game option. Spy nanopaste! Got to be something more than just scam based inflation. It would be a great way to suck ISK out of highsec though.
If all the PLEXed hulk fleets saw a 20% rise in the cost of PLEX on 6 or 10 accounts. Maybe thats what is going on here.
This is a youtube playlist going over my first 30 ship losses. Video sucks but the audio came out well.There are some good lessons, and if you know the game there's some funny stories. |

Lovely Dumplings
Lambda Mining
51
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Posted - 2013.01.25 19:39:00 -
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hey, not to be mean...but you kinda forgot to switch chars when posting up there.
Don't feel bad, happens to the best of us. |

Corey Fumimasa
The Advent of Faith
64
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Posted - 2013.01.25 19:41:00 -
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Lovely Dumplings wrote:hey, not to be mean...but you kinda forgot to switch chars when posting up there.
Don't feel bad, happens to the best of us. I was just so excited by the idea! What a great scam. Wish I had thought of it and ha the resources to pull it off.
This is a youtube playlist going over my first 30 ship losses. Video sucks but the audio came out well.There are some good lessons, and if you know the game there's some funny stories. |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2143
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Posted - 2013.01.25 19:43:00 -
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Corey Fumimasa wrote:Corey Fumimasa wrote:Do Goons have hangers full of PLEX with some idea of a way to hyper inflate the price of PLEX?
Oh, maybe just by making PLEX a bad buy for new players by scamming them, less PLEX will be bought and the return on the stockpiled Goon PLEX will be substantial.
Thats a neat idea. Is there any way to see what people have in their lockers? That would be a neat in game option. Spy nanopaste! Got to be something more than just scam based inflation. It would be a great way to suck ISK out of highsec though.
Pretty juch all of our free PLEX come from people like this. The rest are bought off the market for special people, because they are really special to us. The Adventures of a Belligerent Undesirable |

Corey Fumimasa
The Advent of Faith
64
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Posted - 2013.01.25 19:46:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Corey Fumimasa wrote:Corey Fumimasa wrote:Do Goons have hangers full of PLEX with some idea of a way to hyper inflate the price of PLEX?
Oh, maybe just by making PLEX a bad buy for new players by scamming them, less PLEX will be bought and the return on the stockpiled Goon PLEX will be substantial.
Thats a neat idea. Is there any way to see what people have in their lockers? That would be a neat in game option. Spy nanopaste! Got to be something more than just scam based inflation. It would be a great way to suck ISK out of highsec though. Pretty juch all of our free PLEX come from people like this. The rest are bought off the market for special people, because they are really special to us.
Yeah but do you guys have a huge surplus of PLEX? or just enough to get by?
This is a youtube playlist going over my first 30 ship losses. Video sucks but the audio came out well.There are some good lessons, and if you know the game there's some funny stories. |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2143
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Posted - 2013.01.25 20:00:00 -
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Corey Fumimasa wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Corey Fumimasa wrote:Corey Fumimasa wrote:Do Goons have hangers full of PLEX with some idea of a way to hyper inflate the price of PLEX?
Oh, maybe just by making PLEX a bad buy for new players by scamming them, less PLEX will be bought and the return on the stockpiled Goon PLEX will be substantial.
Thats a neat idea. Is there any way to see what people have in their lockers? That would be a neat in game option. Spy nanopaste! Got to be something more than just scam based inflation. It would be a great way to suck ISK out of highsec though. Pretty juch all of our free PLEX come from people like this. The rest are bought off the market for special people, because they are really special to us. Yeah but do you guys have a huge surplus of PLEX? or just enough to get by?
Hard to say. We have a dozen or so seperate squads that manage their assets on an individual basis. It wouldn't give your argument any weight regardless of the answer. The Adventures of a Belligerent Undesirable |
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Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics CODE.
667
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Posted - 2013.01.25 22:07:00 -
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Grasping at that ol' goonspiracy ay? |

Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
774
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Posted - 2013.01.26 01:21:00 -
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ChaseX wrote:Maybe the kid shouldn't play EVE at all and what the heck is going on if you get a PLEX from your mom to birthday or something. Jesus go play outside when you are a kid.
Maybe the kid is in a wheelchair. Maybe the kid has asthma. Maybe the kid just likes playing EvE. One thing is for certain, though: Someone out there just stole some kid's birthday present.
EvE Forum Bingo |

Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
45
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Posted - 2013.01.26 01:30:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:ChaseX wrote:Maybe the kid shouldn't play EVE at all and what the heck is going on if you get a PLEX from your mom to birthday or something. Jesus go play outside when you are a kid. Maybe the kid is in a wheelchair. Maybe the kid has asthma. Maybe the kid just likes playing EvE. One thing is for certain, though: Someone out there just stole some kid's birthday present.
I would argue that scamming in EvE doesn't make you a bad person but shows that you fantasize about being a bad person.
Which I suppose if you think about it, still makes you a bad person.
If there is a god, he probaly still considers stealing play money as stealing. You probaly won't burn in the same circle of hell as say Bernie Madoff, but it is probaly not a pleasant place. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby" |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2151
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Posted - 2013.01.26 01:35:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:Katran Luftschreck wrote:ChaseX wrote:Maybe the kid shouldn't play EVE at all and what the heck is going on if you get a PLEX from your mom to birthday or something. Jesus go play outside when you are a kid. Maybe the kid is in a wheelchair. Maybe the kid has asthma. Maybe the kid just likes playing EvE. One thing is for certain, though: Someone out there just stole some kid's birthday present. I would argue that scamming in EvE doesn't make you a bad person but shows that you fantasize about being a bad person. Which I suppose if you think about it, still makes you a bad person. If there is a god, he probaly still considers stealing play money as stealing. You probaly won't burn in the same circle of hell as say Bernie Madoff, but it is probaly not a pleasant place.
Fortunately, most of us have the ability to differentiate reality from fantasy. The Adventures of a Belligerent Undesirable |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3289
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Posted - 2013.01.26 01:39:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:Katran Luftschreck wrote:ChaseX wrote:Maybe the kid shouldn't play EVE at all and what the heck is going on if you get a PLEX from your mom to birthday or something. Jesus go play outside when you are a kid. Maybe the kid is in a wheelchair. Maybe the kid has asthma. Maybe the kid just likes playing EvE. One thing is for certain, though: Someone out there just stole some kid's birthday present. I would argue that scamming in EvE doesn't make you a bad person but shows that you fantasize about being a bad person. Which I suppose if you think about it, still makes you a bad person. If there is a god, he probaly still considers stealing play money as stealing. You probaly won't burn in the same circle of hell as say Bernie Madoff, but it is probaly not a pleasant place. Fortunately, most of us have the ability to differentiate reality from fantasy. As long as it isn't the type that requires a daily sacrifice of hearts to rise the next morning.
Perhaps we'll have you do a "service" then Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6477
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Posted - 2013.01.26 01:48:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:I would argue that scamming in EvE doesn't make you a bad person but shows that you fantasize about being a bad person. Which I suppose if you think about it, still makes you a bad person. If there is a god, he probaly still considers stealing play money as stealing. You probaly won't burn in the same circle of hell as say Bernie Madoff, but it is probaly not a pleasant place.
theft is not possible in this game unless you hack somebody's account, which is against the EULA. all forms of "theft" in this game are actually fraud or embezzlement, hth ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |

Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
46
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Posted - 2013.01.26 02:05:00 -
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Andski wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:I would argue that scamming in EvE doesn't make you a bad person but shows that you fantasize about being a bad person. Which I suppose if you think about it, still makes you a bad person. If there is a god, he probaly still considers stealing play money as stealing. You probaly won't burn in the same circle of hell as say Bernie Madoff, but it is probaly not a pleasant place. theft is not possible in this game unless you hack somebody's account, which is against the EULA. all forms of "theft" in this game are actually fraud or embezzlement, hth
Technically, the EvE banks that folded did the same thing Bernie Madoff did. They took money promising to give a return and eventually never returned anything and made off with the money.
Sure the investors willingly gave their money over, but in the end the money was gone and therfore theft happened.
Theft happens all the time in EvE in other forms. People steal out of miners cans, other people's wrecks, and from player ships that somehow ended up as wreck.
I'm still calling it fantasy theft, but isn't it still stealing?
I mean I stole from the monopoly bank a few times growing up.
Its not really moral. I mean its not like robbing an old lady on the street immoral, but its negative behavior.
And if you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
Which in the whole karmic nature of the universe makes you a somewhat bad person.
I've done some bad things in video games before. I've lied cheated and stole. So yes I am a bad person.
Don't be afraid of your nature. Be truthful about being a bad person deep down. Its not going to put you in jail or make your position of being right or wrong into question.
You like doing bad things to be people in fantasy environments in which there is no recourse to punish you.
Its not like you are going go out into the real world and try a ponzi scheme with old people.
Just admit that being bad in a video game does make you somewhat bad. Not that bad. But somewhat bad. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |

NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
305
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Posted - 2013.01.26 02:07:00 -
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_crime
So basically all current virtual crime has also involved a real world component which complicates matters. But the conclusion is that the virtual crime was still a real crime and was decoupled from the real crime when judgement was pronounced. Basically even if the real crime did not occur the case would still have been on the virtual theft. |

Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics CODE.
668
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Posted - 2013.01.26 02:21:00 -
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I'm a good person for shouldering the responsibility and stigma of an antagonist. |

Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
46
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Posted - 2013.01.26 02:33:00 -
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Galaxy Pig wrote:I'm a good person for shouldering the responsibility and stigma of an antagonist.
Galaxy Pig is a bad person.
See doesn't that make you feel better about yourself. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
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