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Corey Fumimasa
The Advent of Faith
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Posted - 2013.01.24 19:26:00 -
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Mai Khumm wrote:Apperently everyone doesn't read the EULA, ESP the part that says, "Everything contained within is the sole property of CCP Games"
So, every ship/bullet/module/drone and *gasp* PLEX is "owned" by CCP and CCP only. The kid "lost" the $20 the moment he bought it from his acct management page.
Now, what if he undocked with it in his cargo hold, and he got ganked? Next half of you will be up in arms to ban the ganker!!!
Sure, the scammer was low and scammed a noob!
Did the scammer say ANYTHING in the "Help" channel?
No, he did not, he private convo'd him.
This happens ALL THE TIME with recruitment scams!
Tell the kid to suck it up and say "Welcome to EVE"
/thread
See what I mean, this person learned RL lessons from Eve. Are these the kind of people you want to live with in the RW. Nothing would get done as contracts were studied and looked over by lawyers, and as people worked as hard as possible not to create but to steal.
This is a youtube playlist going over my first 30 ship losses. Video sucks but the audio came out well.There are some good lessons, and if you know the game there's some funny stories. |
De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade
The East India Co.
808
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Posted - 2013.01.24 19:26:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:
He did get the thing that she bought though, he just gave it away to someone.
You and I both know that.
But what do you think he's going to tell mommy?
The Margin Trading Scam: If you fell for it, it's your own damned fault.
Malcanis for CSM 8 |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
RAZOR Alliance
3504
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Posted - 2013.01.24 19:28:00 -
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I walk up to a man on the street and say "please let me borrow $20, I'll give it back to you", he gives it to me, and I never give it back.
Is it theft? Ethically, perhaps. Legally?
Malcanis for CSM 8
Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
Corey Fumimasa
The Advent of Faith
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Posted - 2013.01.24 19:29:00 -
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Psychotic Monk wrote:Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Its easy to define a noob. A kid who wants to sell a PLEX his mom got him and who doesn't know how to contract it. That is by definition a noob, and someone that needs a bit of direction.
Okay, so anyone who is a kid that wants to sell a PLEX his mom got him is a noob. Is there anyone else that is a noob? How can you confirm that this person is a kid? Most kids online are instructed to not tell anyone they're a kid. And if kids are going to get special consideration, what's to prevent someone like me from pretending to be a kid?
You cant confirm it, thats why DM's posing as players asking for help would be an effective deterrent.
This is a youtube playlist going over my first 30 ship losses. Video sucks but the audio came out well.There are some good lessons, and if you know the game there's some funny stories. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
RAZOR Alliance
3504
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Posted - 2013.01.24 19:31:00 -
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It would also be an effective waste of their time.
Malcanis for CSM 8
Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
Corey Fumimasa
The Advent of Faith
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Posted - 2013.01.24 19:32:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:I walk up to a man on the street and say "please let me borrow $20, I'll give it back to you", he gives it to me, and I never give it back.
Is it theft? Ethically, perhaps. Legally?
We don't need to define this legally, it is a game and we are all here by the grace of CCP. Like being at a party. If I invited a guest to a gathering and that guest started stealing, scamming, ganking, my other guests I would throw them out. And I wouldn't go get a rule book to explain myself.
This is a youtube playlist going over my first 30 ship losses. Video sucks but the audio came out well.There are some good lessons, and if you know the game there's some funny stories. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
1036
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Posted - 2013.01.24 19:32:00 -
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People have this strange tendency to treat new players like they are children when they are actually grown ass men who're entirely capable of making bad decisions for themselves. |
Ana Fox
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
53
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Posted - 2013.01.24 19:35:00 -
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Gelatine wrote:I'm no lawyer, but if I took $20 dollars off a child, my community would disown me and the law would make me pay - harshly where I live. I'm not aware of a country where theft is lawful actually - I'm going to test my google-fu after I post this to see if there is such a place.
All the mother needs to do is write to her senator/MEP or equivalent. It wouldn't take much of a push for a senator to see EVE promoting terrorism, piracy, theft and scamming to decide that this game isn't something a child should have any part in - perhaps even adults. Now that I think about it, I wouldn't let my kids play EVE either, and I'm starting to think CCP are so childish and immoral that I soon may no longer have patience to tolerate their game further.
Maybe that senator will ask your president to look for weapons of mass destruction in Iceland ,or to go fight against "terror" .
Go play some other game please like NOW. |
Corey Fumimasa
The Advent of Faith
60
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Posted - 2013.01.24 19:38:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:It would also be an effective waste of their time. Like moderating a chat forum for game geeks? If DM scam patrollers remove 50% of noob scammer's and that means that 10 kids per month don't get screwed. And lets say if they did get screwed then 70% of them would leave. So for a few hours of DM time 7 subs were saved. I actually think that is a great use of DM time. Better than answering petitions about lost items and bugged missions all day.
This is a youtube playlist going over my first 30 ship losses. Video sucks but the audio came out well.There are some good lessons, and if you know the game there's some funny stories. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
RAZOR Alliance
3504
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Posted - 2013.01.24 19:38:00 -
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Corey Fumimasa wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:It would also be an effective waste of their time. Like moderating a chat forum for game geeks? If DM scam patrollers remove 50% of noob scammer's and that means that 10 kids per month don't get screwed. If those kids did get screwed then 70% of them would leave. So for a few hours of DM time 7 subs were saved. I actually think that is a great use of DM time. Better than answering petitions about lost items and bugged missions all day.
They don't moderate the forum or the in game chat. It's rare that they even use it.
Malcanis for CSM 8
Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
133
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Posted - 2013.01.24 19:40:00 -
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Quote:EVE is a harsh and unforgiving place... But you can't scam noobs
Why? If they have ISK and are careless, they should by able to learn a lesson. 
Inside mining barge, true story |
Corey Fumimasa
The Advent of Faith
60
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Posted - 2013.01.24 19:50:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Corey Fumimasa wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:It would also be an effective waste of their time. Like moderating a chat forum for game geeks? If DM scam patrollers remove 50% of noob scammer's and that means that 10 kids per month don't get screwed. If those kids did get screwed then 70% of them would leave. So for a few hours of DM time 7 subs were saved. I actually think that is a great use of DM time. Better than answering petitions about lost items and bugged missions all day. They don't moderate the forum or the in game chat. It's rare that they even use it.
That is a good way to drag the argument off topic.
Stealing from new players is wrong, it is impolite, and it is not a "good lesson about life". It will drive new blood away from the game. It is not funny or challenging content. It is wrong.
If CCP enbedded ID codes on all PLEX and spent some time baiting such scammers then Eve would be a better place with more new subscribers. In fact it would be an even darker less forgiving place for those that are after that kind of content.
Stealing from new players is wrong and there are ways to punish those who do so.
This is a youtube playlist going over my first 30 ship losses. Video sucks but the audio came out well.There are some good lessons, and if you know the game there's some funny stories. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
2115
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Posted - 2013.01.24 19:52:00 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:Quote:EVE is a harsh and unforgiving place... But you can't scam noobs Why? If they have ISK and are careless, they should by able to learn a lesson.
Eve is a harsh and unforgiving place...but CCP still needs to turn a profit.
Does that make it any clearer?
Mr Epeen
-ávOv |
Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
427
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Posted - 2013.01.24 19:54:00 -
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So much miss-information posted with so much confidence.
"Scamming is part of the game, the only place it is not allowed is in the help channels. " |
Corey Fumimasa
The Advent of Faith
60
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Posted - 2013.01.24 19:59:00 -
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Thats a thread about the Help channel. And While I'm sure that ISD Charginmoose knows his stuff he is not CCP Charginmoose
Also even if that thread was in context it is no reason that things cannot change.
This is a youtube playlist going over my first 30 ship losses. Video sucks but the audio came out well.There are some good lessons, and if you know the game there's some funny stories. |
Cawfield
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2
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Posted - 2013.01.24 20:03:00 -
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Corey, do you still have the character name of this person?
If so, could you PM it to me? I'd like to send this kid some ISK
*Yes, I'm being serious. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
133
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Posted - 2013.01.24 20:06:00 -
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Quote:Eve is a harsh and unforgiving place...but CCP still needs to turn a profit.
Does that make it any clearer?
CCP never made any new player thinking EVE is like any other game. This game is famous for its player generated deceit.
Inside mining barge, true story |
Diamond Bull
State War Academy
Caldari State
96
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Posted - 2013.01.24 20:07:00 -
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I've personally always though the nature of PLEX meant it really should be handled with a different set of rules. No undocking with it in your cargo and no scamming it etc. Unlike any other item it results from the conversion of real money into an in game item. Once a PLEX is converted into time or ISK its truly an in game thing. That stuff is fair game. |
baltec1
Bat Country
4900
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Posted - 2013.01.24 20:08:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Bagrat Skalski wrote:Quote:EVE is a harsh and unforgiving place... But you can't scam noobs Why? If they have ISK and are careless, they should by able to learn a lesson. Eve is a harsh and unforgiving place...but CCP still needs to turn a profit. Does that make it any clearer? Mr Epeen
Given EVE is still up and running after 10 years and growing for all that time I would say its working just fine. |
Mister S Burke
LUNA INDUSTRIES
57
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Posted - 2013.01.24 20:10:00 -
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What is the kid's name? |
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
2116
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Posted - 2013.01.24 20:13:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Bagrat Skalski wrote:Quote:EVE is a harsh and unforgiving place... But you can't scam noobs Why? If they have ISK and are careless, they should by able to learn a lesson. Eve is a harsh and unforgiving place...but CCP still needs to turn a profit. Does that make it any clearer? Mr Epeen Given EVE is still up and running after 10 years and growing for all that time I would say its working just fine.
Because they do their best to keep griefer asshats away from noobs.
Mr Epeen
-ávOv |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
6460
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Posted - 2013.01.24 20:13:00 -
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Corey Fumimasa wrote:See what I mean, this person learned RL lessons from Eve. Are these the kind of people you want to live with in the RW. Nothing would get done as contracts were studied and looked over by lawyers, and as people worked as hard as possible not to create but to steal.
as if the real world isn't already like that?
~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.
Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Jita iswhereIsit
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.24 20:17:00 -
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Eve is real. |
Mister S Burke
LUNA INDUSTRIES
58
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Posted - 2013.01.24 20:19:00 -
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Andski wrote:Corey Fumimasa wrote:See what I mean, this person learned RL lessons from Eve. Are these the kind of people you want to live with in the RW. Nothing would get done as contracts were studied and looked over by lawyers, and as people worked as hard as possible not to create but to steal. as if the real world isn't already like that?
Yeah really, when is the last time you read fine print? In America companies are now fond of "arbitration agreements", in laymans terms you can't sue them in a court of law, the case would be dismissed with prejudice. While fools only mention the constitution when it comes to how many bullets their guns hold, companies have effectively dodged courts. Go read your cell phone contract, loans, lease etc. I wager this is the first you have heard of what that "arbitration agreement" means. Hell I had to sign one just to use USAA banks website (I am dumping them.) |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
133
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Posted - 2013.01.24 20:20:00 -
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And don't you think this story can be a scam too? Are you that naive? HTFU.
Inside mining barge, true story |
Mister S Burke
LUNA INDUSTRIES
58
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Posted - 2013.01.24 20:20:00 -
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Jita iswhereIsit wrote:Eve is real.
It's as real as the girlfriend I just right clicked and saved with my other girlfriends. |
Whitehound
454
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Posted - 2013.01.24 20:27:00 -
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I wonder where this thread is going to... This has to end in a lock.
Inappropriate signature removed. - The Pope, BBC, CIA and CCP, but not Chuck Norris! |
Merouk Baas
463
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Posted - 2013.01.24 20:32:00 -
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IMO CCP needs to add a 6th Career Agent that covers the "cold harsh game" situations, including the various trade interfaces and warnings about how they can be tricked / scammed. Because what's unfair about the situation with newbies is that they're not stupid, they just don't know the interface.
Have them go through "watch out you may be scammed" training and then nobody's going to feel bad about anyone losing a PLEX to the in-station trade interface tricks. |
KaarBaak
250
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Posted - 2013.01.24 20:32:00 -
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Corey Fumimasa wrote:Psychotic Monk wrote:Mistah Ewedynao wrote:Make all the conditions you like but scamming noobs, ganking noobs, sucking noobs into BS gank the noob corps etc, are all total Bullcrap and anyone caught doing such should be permabanned.
The game will be much better off without them. AND the whole scamming plex thing has gotten out of control IMO. Sure, those of us who have been around don't pay attention to them so why are they there? The only person who will fall for one is a noob, otherwise they just contribute to the local spam overload in trade hubs. I assure you that people many years into this game still do incredibly stupid things. But this opinion you have about scamming, ganking, and so on, does it apply to only noobs? Are more experienced players fair game, in your opinion? If so, how would you define a noob? Keep in mind that this definition has to avoid being gamed in order to confer protection to more veteran players. If, for instance, all accounts under a certain age or SP couldn't be scammed, I would use alts that fit that description to do all my business. In fact, I would probably use those alts to scam other people in a way that could be played off as ignorance. Its easy to define a noob. A kid who wants to sell a PLEX his mom got him and who doesn't know how to contract it. That is by definition a noob, and someone that needs a bit of direction. The trick here is not to try and enforce or investigate the matter after the fact, you are correct that is futile. Rather scamming noobs should be against policy, and DM's should go out acting like noobs and then ban the scammers that go after them. Once the scammers are not sure if they are talking to a kid or a DM they will be less brazen. I guess they will just use alts. Is there a way to know if alt accounts are from the same comp? or a way to track the PLEX once the scammer has it?
If I put up a contract to buy a PLEX titled "PLEX NEEDED NOW...PAYING 1.4B!!" and then setup the contract so that it pays 1.1M ISK (even after CCP nerfed the pricing to prevent this, it still works) and a new player bites...am I guilty of scamming a new player? I wasn't aiming for a new player, but it's all the same.
And I have to agree with the above response that stated that the REAL scammer is the person who gets into the help channel and pretends to have just been scammed in order to solicit donations for his sad state.
KB |
Merouk Baas
463
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Posted - 2013.01.24 20:36:00 -
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You are guilty of scamming a new player because it actually was a new player that you scammed. Not that being guilty of that should mean anything, like being "guilty" of engaging in PVP.
The problem with new players is they may not know the interface and/or haven't had a chance to read guides etc. to get over EVE's learning curve to even be able to identify a scam. |
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