When the hell has anyone been saying that?

This is what gets me.

A bunch of peopel point out problems they encounter, that stems from an entire area of the game, and then you geniuses come along and act like we're complaining about something else.

There is no content in the systems that we live in that supports the number of people living in them. Tell me about how empty those NPC null systems are again.

Industry is not segregated. Building in high sec is not self cofined, it impacts every other area of the game, and you guys keep acting like it's "no big deal". As a dedicated null industrialist, I assure you, it's a HUGE ******* deal.

Everything in eve is tied to something else, if not then the PAX Amarra would be going for alot more but since its mostly a useless item it is worth doodoo.
You can say that with a Goon fleet behind you but howbout the single industrialists can I set up shop in an NPC null station, no of course not I'd be pod killed faster then I can say cht.

Ok join a corporation that's in an alliance ha! Goons should talk, they sure make it easy for a player to join don't they.
And no I will not bare my soul just to join a null corp.

I'm not sure I understand how any of that has anything to do with what I wrote?


Being a goon doesn't put more content in our systems, nor does it make it better to produce T2 goods in null sec.

What a shock.
The largest group of null players are constantly on the forums, pointing out the same things over and over. Almost like you've got this huge cross segement of players who have played in more than just a single are of EVE, to know what they're talking about.

Whoda thunk it, right?

We are all aware of the situation out there in null sec.
What is our problem is when we start seeing threads on a consistent basis generated by null alliance members or their alts.
threads that attempt to erode the very nature of eve.

T2 production shouldn't be undermined by high sec, and it is. That's not right when it's null materials that are required to build T2 goods.

Tell you what get your goons buddies onboard and recruit existing industrialist player to live in you're NPC station, give them protection services and they will fill you're NPC station full of items, just drop the requirements that joining must be for SA forums.

Tell you what get your goons buddies onboard and recruit existing industrialist player to live in you're NPC station, give them protection services and they will fill you're NPC station full of items, just drop the requirements that joining must be SA forums.

We already have industrial characters. I have one that I use to build non-capships in nullsec. And I'm considered an oddball for doing it.

Most of our members end up moving their industry operations to highsec for a variety of reasons. If you want to make T2 stuff, it is pretty much required you do it in highsec because it is the only place where you can easily acquire and move large amounts of T2 building materials. Even our members who mine (and yes, we do have guys that enjoy mining for some reason) have been packing up and moving to highsec because of current mineral prices. You can make more consistent income sucking up scordite and pyroxeres a few jumps out of Jita than dealing with spod and maintaining a high industry index in some backwater nullsec system.


Much of our complaints about highsec industry and ideas for nerfs are about getting our own industry guys to move back to nullsec.

then the problem imo is nullsec moving too many moongoo materials to highsec and making T2 production too easy, not the fact that highsec is making T2.

Where do you buy T2 components?


I want players to be able to tax NPC corp members through control of stations in .7-.5, station services on par with high sec ones, and the ability of sov holders to upgrade a system for PvE content that supports more people in there space.

I dont buy them.

....and allowing sov holders to upgrade their space for PVE will just lead to even more null sec bots of said alliances appearing

We already have industrial characters. I have one that I use to build non-capships in nullsec. And I'm considered an oddball for doing it.

Most of our members end up moving their industry operations to highsec for a variety of reasons. If you want to make T2 stuff, it is pretty much required you do it in highsec because it is the only place where you can easily acquire and move large amounts of T2 building materials. Even our members who mine (and yes, we do have guys that enjoy mining for some reason) have been packing up and moving to highsec because of current mineral prices. You can make more consistent income sucking up scordite and pyroxeres a few jumps out of Jita than dealing with spod and maintaining a high industry index in some backwater nullsec system.


Much of our complaints about highsec industry and ideas for nerfs are about getting out own industry guys to move back to nullsec.

systems have been upgradeable for PvE for 3 years now, you certainly sound knowledgeable about what you're talking about

I dont buy them.

....and allowing sov holders to upgrade their space for PVE will just lead to even more null sec bots of said alliances appearing.

We are all aware of the situation out there in null sec.

What is our problem is when we start seeing threads on a consistent basis generated by null alliance members or their alts.

threads that attempt to erode the very nature of eve.

Lets examine the sectors of space that eve is split into and decide whether they need attention.

1. Null Sec
working as intended? Probably not. The conflict drivers appear to be broken. Sov battles are soul destroying and a chore. Static ISK fountains. Force projection. Lots and lots of areas requiring work.

2. Worm Holes
no complaints, the inhabitants of worm holes appear to be the happiest eve players at the moment.

3. Low sec
Under populated. No unique reason to visit this area in terms of resources but FW is providing much needed life. FW working much better than first implementation but still requires additional iterations.

4. High sec
working as intended. Combat still occurs here on a regular basis. As the NPC factions control these areas of space it seems logical that they are the safest to gather many resources in - most secure and policed. High end resources and rewards such as moon goo, faction and officer items and high end minerals are not available here - rightly. NPC corporations provide somewhere for new pilots to start but also for many of our alts to work from.

if I was to prioritise CCPs workload for the coming year based on system security my list would look like this:
1. null sec
2. low sec
3. high sec and worm holes.

What we are experiencing at the minute is the conquering armies of null sec running out of things to conquer. They have hit a hard edge - partly through their own actions and partly through CCPs game design. As a result of hitting that edge they have turned inward - where could they conquer next?

low sec is sort of pointless - by default if you own null sec you can use your resources to take low sec so mentally you already own these areas. Worm holes dont allow force projection which makes them a much tougher nut to crack. This is easily seen by the lack of any of the large null sec alliances as a force in worm hole conquest.

which leaves high sec. If CCP are lobbied enough they will look to change high sec - a little here, a little there, until the conditions are such that the conquering hoardes can move in and allow our faction NPC empires to be rulers in name only.

Increasing the problem further is the fact that each account has 3 character slots. We know from previous experience that CCP keep an eye on these forums. Major threadnoughts in the past have gotten their attention. In effect with 3 characters per account the current residents of null sec that are pushing for game change in empire can create a thread that looks like lively discussion but in fact is all the same people having a conversation.

to those of us living freely in our own area of the sandbox ask the following:

of a given request for change, who will benefit most?

here is the reply to the static income stupidity:

static income

the part i like best is where we have a goon confirming this hehe

in answer to the above post, you are trying to suggest that these same static sources are not also a vital component of T2 production?

try harder.

We love to post, this should not surprise anyone- however, post locations and methods of static isk fountains please.

I really really hope you're not talking about anomalies. I spent 2 1/2 hours last night and farmed up 200m with an ishtar. Sure I could do a little better and a little worse with different ships and fighters and such. All the while dodging hostile gangs.

I think I could do a little better in highsec with L4 missions and not even have to pay attention. So- where are the isk fountains?

Well you most certainly showed the extend of your knowledge here.

I didn't say upgrade FOR PvE content for a reason. I said upgrade for content that supported MORE PEOPLE.



I have to ask, do you know where T2 components come from?

Just amazing....

Here we have the people with a freakin MONOPOLY on the basic building blocks for T2 components saying that u can't get T2 components in null? This from a self appointed Nullsec "industrialist"

And most of the rest of the Nullbears are saying Nerf highsec industry, but don't do it until you buff null industry. I want to keep my cake while eating it too.........

I believe CCP designed this game to have Nullsec as lawless space, not a safe haven for organized industry and production. Which certainly doesn't fit in with Goonswarms vision of what they want THEIR nullsec to be.

They want it all, their way.

Not good for the game, but sure as hell good for Goons.

I believe CCP designed this game to have Nullsec as lawless space, not a safe haven for organized industry and production. Which certainly doesn't fit in with Goonswarms vision of what they want THEIR nullsec to be.

Just amazing....

Here we have the people with a freakin MONOPOLY on the basic building blocks for T2 components saying that u can't get T2 components in null? This from a self appointed Nullsec "industrialist"

And most of the rest of the Nullbears are saying Nerf highsec industry, but don't do it until you buff null industry. I want to keep my cake while eating it too.........

I believe CCP designed this game to have Nullsec as lawless space, not a safe haven for organized industry and production. Which certainly doesn't fit in with Goonswarms vision of what they want THEIR nullsec to be.

They want it all, their way.

Not good for the game, but sure as hell good for Goons.

Here we have the people with a freakin MONOPOLY on the basic building blocks for T2 components saying that u can't get T2 components in null? This from a self appointed Nullsec "industrialist"

We already have industrial characters. I have one that I use to build non-capships in nullsec. And I'm considered an oddball for doing it.

Most of our members end up moving their industry operations to highsec for a variety of reasons. If you want to make T2 stuff, it is pretty much required you do it in highsec because it is the only place where you can easily acquire and move large amounts of T2 building materials. Even our members who mine (and yes, we do have guys that enjoy mining for some reason) have been packing up and moving to highsec because of current mineral prices. You can make more consistent income sucking up scordite and pyroxeres a few jumps out of Jita than dealing with spod and maintaining a high industry index in some backwater nullsec system.


Much of our complaints about highsec industry and ideas for nerfs are about getting out own industry guys to move back to nullsec.

looks like someone actually understands hisec does have an issue that isnt a nullseccer...

honesly its true. Drop hisec's indie slots and one major issue is in check. but it must be done while a nullsec industry revamp happens

Who said anything about making it safe? Unsafe industry is the entire point.

Tell me, do you think the current system, where Goons have maximized the profit they receive for delivering raw Tech, and minimized the manufacturing of said tech into products by outsourcing it to a region flooded with cheap labor that has no recourse but to undercut each other, disadvantages them?