CCP looked at this and decided their work was complete, and would not iterate on nullsec for the next 2 1/2 years after threats of mass unsubs, instead focusing on developing WoW-style raids and Space Barbie.

Hrm... If I didn't know any better, it seems CCP can justify itself with its current subscription numbers.

Tell you what get your goons buddies onboard and recruit existing industrialist player to live in you're NPC station, give them protection services and they will fill you're NPC station full of items, just drop the requirements that joining must be SA forums.

Sir you said earlier that industry in hi is not confined to hi, and that to you as a null industrialist it's a big f'ing deal, one of my problems living in null was the lack of BPC BPO availablility, I tried to change that I got blown to bits trying to "make it" work the problem I had and you have is that most industrialists do not want to be constant targets it's contrary to building.

If you assure me it's a problem then why, can't you sell them to corp mates?

You want higher prices for hi end minerals null has to tighten supply just like OPEC does IRL those Arab states have a conglomeration all working to keep supplies at a certain level, which involves cooperation most nullies can't seem to do.

There is a reason why industry doesn't work in null but it is not hi sec.
See gun toting trigger happy folks, see mineral supply, see moon goo sales, see unable to dock at outposts, it's not a hi sec thing, why can't null sec see this.

I just wonder why you make it sound like it's hi sec's fault null can't get it together but at the same time a Goon said he'd get a fleet of 6000 tornados to visit hi sec but yet I'm supposed to believe industry in null is broken thru and thru?

Sir you said earlier that industry in hi is not confined to hi, and that to you as a null industrialist it's a big f'ing deal, one of my problems living in null was the lack of BPC BPO availablility, I tried to change that I got blown to bits trying to "make it" work the problem I had and you have is that most industrialists do not want to be constant targets it's contrary to building.

If you assure me it's a problem then why, can't you sell them to corp mates?

You want higher prices for hi end minerals null has to tighten supply just like OPEC does IRL those Arab states have a conglomeration all working to keep supplies at a certain level, which involves cooperation most nullies can't seem to do.

But you do know better, don't you?

I'm beginning to see the problem.

You guys seem to think that a single area of null can produce the T2 components that a single industrialist needs.
That's impossible.

The stuff that goes into building T2 goods doesn't come out of a single region of New Eden. Some of it will come from here, some from there, and it all meets in the middle.

High sec is like ancient middle east. Trade routes from Europe, Africa, and Asia all converged in regions of the middle east. An asian trader doesn't deliver silk and spices to Rome or Egypt, they sold them to Roman and Egyptian traders in towns in the middle east.

Some Arab tribes become very wealthy and powerful for as long as those trade routes all converged on thier territory; that is Jita.

You can not fix this with a buff to null sec, it's intended to work this way.
The balance can only come from higher T2 production in high sec through the NPC stations, as well as limitting the available slots for T2 production to encourage more of it being done in PoS and low and null stations.

We are not self sustaining, and you guys keep thinking we are.

I'm only saying record subscription numbers and record current connected users seem to be saying something along the lines of "Our wallet full of money says you are wrong."

As someone who does build stuff I will just take this time to tell you that it is not only far cheaper to build everything in empire and ship it to null but there are also nowhere near enough slots to build much of anything in null sec.

I'm only saying record subscription numbers and record current connected users seem to be saying something along the lines of "Our wallet full of money says you are wrong."

Tell me more about these static fountains. I'd love to go park five accounts right on top of them.

And what happened to those rich states that got fat and lazy, decadent, corrupt, greedy?
If anyone in hi sec is getting rich it ante me....blame the traders they are the one's who set prices I assure you when it comes to trading I stink.

Why won't you large alliances learn to trade moo goo, supplies become tightened in trade hub prices spike moon gooey Louises win?

Im curious about this.

http://eve.1019.net/pos/?ct=00&mod=03030303031N1N1N1N1N1O1O1O1O1O1P1P1P1P1P0V0V0V0V0W0W0W0W0U0U&off=

That has more production slots than a hisec station 5x, they can be traded around if you want to make more and it can be tanked better without losing as much production as a station.
And as there are more moons than stations well why are you complaining?
Aside from logistics but that is separate from your claim.

Im curious about this.

http://eve.1019.net/pos/?ct=00&mod=03030303031N1N1N1N1N1O1O1O1O1O1P1P1P1P1P0V0V0V0V0W0W0W0W0U0U&off=

That has more production slots than a hisec station 5x, they can be traded around if you want to make more and it can be tanked better without losing as much production as a station.
And as there are more moons than stations well why are you complaining?
Aside from logistics but that is separate from your claim.

So we can anchor more than one PoS to a moon now?

And why would you put that in null when you've got even more moons available in high sec; where you don't have to import anything to build.

Of course we are focused on the ALLIANCE you are in.

Scammers, cheaters, self proclaimed destroyers of other folks fun in games for the lulz.

Most of you are very hard to take seriously, despite the fact that some of you are very knowledgeable about the game.

Wow didn't take long for the establishment to jump right into this thread, and the same crowd. Are you guys running a word parsing bot here?

That's a good point Shepard.
What if accessing station services for a highsec station cost a 125m flat fee and 90m isk per month after that.
Then highsec and nullsec industry would legit be on even footing.

That's a good point Shepard.
What if accessing station services for a highsec station cost a 125m flat fee and 90m isk per month after that.
Then highsec and nullsec industry would legit be on even footing.

Increasing the manufacturing tax would definitely help with the isk sink issue, though I am not sure quite how much deflation of the money supply an increase of that magnitude would result in.

Honestly, the feeling I get is that the Goons just want everything that is better to do in high sec made even better to do in Nullsec.

If that is fair, then I guess high sec should get Moon Goo, Killer ratting and plexs, way better exploration, ABC asteroids.

You want equal?

Let's make it really equal.

And PLEASE don't tell me your stations/POS, which are protected by your uncountable minions aren't as safe as high sec operations.

Why?

They raised it once, they saw it did nothing but encouraged peopel to form one man corps. Raise it again, and it does the same.

Higher taxes only starts to be a problem for new players.
It doesn't solve the droping of your corp when there's a wardec, or encourage anyone to join other peoples corps.

Personally, I think going after highsec industry on cost and access to slots would balance out a lot of stuff.

Like a 100x increase in install cost, and 10x increase in per hour costs. And either use better standing to lower install cost or increase max number of slots one can use.

As it is now, you can roll a new industry alt with what ever race and plop them in any faction's station and have everything available for dirt cheap. We already accept standings for lowering refining and sales taxes, and opening POS anchoring based on system security level. There should be standings involved in who gets to use research and manufacturing slots and how much they cost.

And PLEASE don't tell me your stations/POS, which are protected by your uncountable minions aren't as safe as high sec operations.

Good lord, you're like a roadie that doesn't shut up. NIRVANANIRVANANIRVANANIRVANA!