funny how null needs so much help yet most of the botters in game are from null

I don't believe CCP will ever improve Null-sec industry significantly.

Because If they did we wouldn't need to be paying additional subs for all those Jita alts would we? Income that CCP depends on.

90% of the tech moons are controlled by 3 alliances, and they've overwhelmingly concentrated in one corner of the map. What about alliances who don't get any of the tech goodness?

Implying that anyone pays a sub just to check prices instead of using an unrtained alt on account they already have.

90% of the tech moons are controlled by 3 alliances, and they've overwhelmingly concentrated in one corner of the map. What about alliances who don't get any of the tech goodness?

Sreegs has confirmed that the region with the highest density of bots is... The Forge.

Sreegs has confirmed that the region with the highest density of bots is... The Forge.

CCP can verify the location with the most botters, but can't do anything about the botters. Huh... Curious.

By the way: prove it. Please provide a link to support your statement.

Then something happened and now apparently if you don't have 30% of the moons in the game and don't force CCP to provide "bottom up income" and don't nerf hi sec industry you just can't survive.

The question comes natural: Terrible Dominion or terrible, whiny current players or both?

They do, the problem is they get replaced just as fast. Well, apart from when we did the miner interdictions that depleated their isk piles but the mining community soon saw to that.

You know perfectly well that many if not most null-sec dwellers run a second (or even more) highsec account to do the things that are far easier and more profitable than is possible in nullsec. Industry, mining etc.

They do? Awesome... so you have links to verifiable, reliable info on that other than Holy Unholiness or whatever that tripe was called? Kewl, thanks.

Remember, "Forge is the seat of all botting." Looking for links. Thanks.

Look up last years fanfest security blog and presentation by CCP Sreegs. The Forge is indeed the biggest hive of all.

Well, there you go with those "facts" again. Tell me Mal (Can i call you Mal?, yes? Thanks), what is that posters extreme ignorance doing to you? Why can't you just leave him alone?

Don't you know ignorant posting on EVE-O forums is a valid playstyle, by introducing facts you're simply saying "I don't like the way you play forums"?

They do? Awesome... so you have links to verifiable, reliable info on that other than Holy Unholiness or whatever that tripe was called? Kewl, thanks.

Remember, "Forge is the seat of all botting." Looking for links. Thanks.

Then something happened and now apparently if you don't have 30% of the moons in the game and don't force CCP to provide "bottom up income" and don't nerf hi sec industry you just can't survive.

The question comes natural: Terrible Dominion or terrible, whiny current players or both?

Are you literate enough to elaborate?

Now that one has been provided, may I assume that the evidence hasn't changed your opinion one tiny iota?

Really? You make all your T2 modules in stations?
Tell me more about the mechanics of that, given that when I ran a personal large POS I had 3 Equipment assembly arrays going and Component Assembly Arrays. I would have the equipment arrays going full bore, plus usually 1 component array.
That is 28 slots full bore. Now, given the 25% mfg bonus, that works out to the equivalent of about 37 mfg slots I had at my single POS.

The system I was in had 3 stations, 50 slots at each station.
It also had 28 moons. Some time ago, I did a survey one night when I was bored. EVERY moon had a POS up, with about 80% turned on.
If we low ball each online POS at 25 mfg slots, that works out to 28 * 25 *.8 = 560 mfg slots at POS's, compared to the 150 slots at stations. And we all know that 28 moons in a system is far below average.

You want to make BS's, and BC's, sure, you crank up a long run at a station. You want to make anything else, you do it a POS, where you control the means of production.

So please stop with your ridiculous statements.

Sreegs has confirmed that the region with the highest density of bots is... The Forge.

And this is also something you guys will have to fface at some point. Keeping to negate the ezsistance of the problem, shrugging "is not my problem", "ok but in The Forge there're more" is not going to help you.

When I lived in 0.0 (was about from 2007 to 2009) I remember for corporations and alliances was a point of honor to chase botters (were mostly ratting bot at that time) and any group or individual suspected to deal with this were treated like an infected.

Today we read from 0.0 alliances forum, mails and chat logs showing as is absolutelly normal and accepted to live with botting farms, we see coalition leaders tallking about collecting and "cleaning" founds from botting needed for the next war.

We se alliance leaders sendng alliance mail to say "hey folks be carefull with botting and RTM we cannot risk to loose some of our capital pilots if CCP ban hammer falls"

If you don't see this as problem in the fiirst place you're doomed; keep negating the problem only corroborate the idea you folks are in some way only suggest the idea that directly or indirectly connive with this; that, I'm sure, is not the case.

True problem of 0.0 is that a small group manage it for REAL interest (that means real money too), thi is one of the core reason why with time you blued everyone.

"Is not our problem, CCP have to fix it". Sure, but why don't you put the same lobby effort to press this instead of just asking the T2 monopoly as gift? No industry buff or monpoly will never be able to counter groups relying on botting farms. You claim to be "the most relevant player groups in EVE" cool, why don't you act accordingly instead of continuosly negating this severe issue?

Every single bot moving to null sec would be the best thing for EVE.

Why the hell would anyone even use that as an arguement for anything?

There is no CONCORD here, the NPC corps don't protect bot miners in null.

Natsett Amuinn, you seems to be a indy guy. Now tell me, how can a industrialist come to live in sov null and do stuff there without being forced to "work" for his master and be his zombie puppet ? Just curious, nothing else.

Natsett Amuinn, you seems to be a indy guy. Now tell me, how can a industrialist come to live in sov null and do stuff there without being forced to "work" for his master and be his zombie puppet ? Just curious, nothing else.

[quote=Itis Zhellin]You see it as working for a master, others of us see that question as -"how can I go to null sec and do what I want to without contributing to the greater good and security of the large group of people who make being there possible"- .

Answer: you can't.

Natsett Amuinn, you seems to be a indy guy. Now tell me, how can a industrialist come to live in sov null and do stuff there without being forced to "work" for his master and be his zombie puppet ? Just curious, nothing else.