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Svett	Posted - 2005.09.09 06:18:00 - [211] I do this mission all the time in a Maller with no problems. First time I did it I only had around 500k SP ;) Silly rabbit, sigs are for kids
Svett Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2005.09.09 06:18:00 - [212] I do this mission all the time in a Maller with no problems. First time I did it I only had around 500k SP ;)
Firid Soulbane	Posted - 2005.09.11 03:26:00 - [213] Originally by: craptacular Originally by: Firid Soulbane Ive done the angel version 2 times in a Vexor. Its hard but its doable. I can barely fire a gun so i rely on my drones. Therefore i have a good tank and dual 150mm guns. A good tank with a cheap 800mm plate, 2 passive hardeners and a med rep t1, on a vexor? Relying on drones without any web? Get serious please. As you cannot quite tank that much damage on a brutix given its useless repair bonus, you're better going for damage. Life is much easier in a ferox. Anyway range is an issue, and i find that mission to be much profitable (read possible) with an alt in a caracal safely spamming missiles by my side. Who can resist 2k lp? One passive and one hardener, just did it again 1 hour ago.
Firid Soulbane Empyreum	Posted - 2005.09.11 03:26:00 - [214] Originally by: craptacular Originally by: Firid Soulbane Ive done the angel version 2 times in a Vexor. Its hard but its doable. I can barely fire a gun so i rely on my drones. Therefore i have a good tank and dual 150mm guns. A good tank with a cheap 800mm plate, 2 passive hardeners and a med rep t1, on a vexor? Relying on drones without any web? Get serious please. As you cannot quite tank that much damage on a brutix given its useless repair bonus, you're better going for damage. Life is much easier in a ferox. Anyway range is an issue, and i find that mission to be much profitable (read possible) with an alt in a caracal safely spamming missiles by my side. Who can resist 2k lp? One passive and one hardener, just did it again 1 hour ago. Originally by: CCP Oneiromancer Saltire - I can understand one accidental podkilling, even two, but twelve....?
B0rn2KiLL	Posted - 2005.09.11 11:43:00 - [215] ive done that mission, those senries were a *** but i didnt have much of an issue dealing with them with my ferox i had 2 corp members with me to help me take out the sentries quick before the main NPC ships agro, i didnt feel it was "that" hard though, i guess flying a tanked to the teeth ferox had something todo with it. my setup is as follows: 5x heavy launchers packing widowmaker\thunderbolts meds: 1 med t2 booster 2x 50% thermal 1x 50% kentic\EM (npc type related) 1x barton cap recharger lows: 2x BCU 2x PDS I's (waiting to get power diag II's :D) when im facing serp type missions i get ~80% thermal and 77% kentic on sanasha i use the EM harder, getting 53% EM and ~80% thermal i can run all 3 harderners and the med booster for around 20 minutes which is enough time to tkae out the main damage dealers. this setup cant take out a BS tbh, due to low DPS (700 dmg every 10 seconds, not counting drones) but it has EXCELLENT range and flexability, call me a noob but hey, my advice is take 2 corp buddies with ya, its a fun activity, and sure helps to take out those coupel of damage dealers that end up killing you if you let them live. and always start with frigates.. especialy if u see a sanasha webifier damn ***** are tough.
B0rn2KiLL DEATHFUNK	Posted - 2005.09.11 11:43:00 - [216] ive done that mission, those senries were a *** but i didnt have much of an issue dealing with them with my ferox i had 2 corp members with me to help me take out the sentries quick before the main NPC ships agro, i didnt feel it was "that" hard though, i guess flying a tanked to the teeth ferox had something todo with it. my setup is as follows: 5x heavy launchers packing widowmaker\thunderbolts meds: 1 med t2 booster 2x 50% thermal 1x 50% kentic\EM (npc type related) 1x barton cap recharger lows: 2x BCU 2x PDS I's (waiting to get power diag II's :D) when im facing serp type missions i get ~80% thermal and 77% kentic on sanasha i use the EM harder, getting 53% EM and ~80% thermal i can run all 3 harderners and the med booster for around 20 minutes which is enough time to tkae out the main damage dealers. this setup cant take out a BS tbh, due to low DPS (700 dmg every 10 seconds, not counting drones) but it has EXCELLENT range and flexability, call me a noob but hey, my advice is take 2 corp buddies with ya, its a fun activity, and sure helps to take out those coupel of damage dealers that end up killing you if you let them live. and always start with frigates.. especialy if u see a sanasha webifier damn *** are tough. --- Originally by:** Oveur It's important to understand that EVE is a "PvP" focused game
B0rn2KiLL	Posted - 2005.09.11 11:45:00 - [217] Edited by: B0rn2KiLL on 11/09/2005 11:45:22 sorry, quote instead of edit
B0rn2KiLL DEATHFUNK	Posted - 2005.09.11 11:45:00 - [218] Edited by: B0rn2KiLL on 11/09/2005 11:45:22 sorry, quote instead of edit --- Originally by: Oveur It's important to understand that EVE is a "PvP" focused game
Nev Clavain	Posted - 2005.09.11 12:24:00 - [219] Originally by: craptacular 730k sp noob, formerly owner of a brutix in which i could solo all lvl 3 missions with a bit of work. Then came "Spy Stash". Tanked my way through the first stage with medium & small repairers II. Jumped into the next stage, aligned and then frantically turned on repairers as i realised the scale of the incoming damage (as an afterthought, it was mostly for decoration). Got scrambled and my brutix swapped for a capsule. In fact, i've never stood a chance. And now i have to pack my stuff and move on to a lower quality agent because i keep on getting either the "Spy stash" or "Black Market Hub" and have no suicidal tendencies. I guess i was making too much easy money and as a major source of inflation i had to be stopped. There's still something unclear to me: when i'll grow up, flying an overpriced BS, what makes CCP think i'll keep on doing lvl 3 missions with silly loot & bounties when i could get at least the lowest hanging fruits of lvl 4? I hope we can at least agree that mission is totally out of proportion. The BS aren't overpriced. They are an investment, aand once you have one you can earn isk that much faster - so they should cost alot to begin with. You can try doin level 4s in your shiny new Battleship but i think you'll find, in the beginning at least, that they work out less profitable than level 3s. You need at least 1M sp in gunnery plus some great tanking skills to have a good go a t a level 4 in a BS solo. My experience is that I am somewhere between the level 4s and 3s - where level 3s provide a better option for pure isk/hour because i can finish them faster losing less drones. Level 4s are still a reqal challenge, and I have to put aside at least a couple of hours if I want to undertake one. The level 3 Spy Stash and Black Market Hub are challenging missions, but thank god there are some challenging missions after doing level 2 missions for however long it takes to get standing up to correct levels. Just imagine it was like a few more level 2 missions - then you'd really be annoyed.
Nev Clavain Wise Guys Rogue Method Alliance	Posted - 2005.09.11 12:24:00 - [220] Originally by: craptacular 730k sp noob, formerly owner of a brutix in which i could solo all lvl 3 missions with a bit of work. Then came "Spy Stash". Tanked my way through the first stage with medium & small repairers II. Jumped into the next stage, aligned and then frantically turned on repairers as i realised the scale of the incoming damage (as an afterthought, it was mostly for decoration). Got scrambled and my brutix swapped for a capsule. In fact, i've never stood a chance. And now i have to pack my stuff and move on to a lower quality agent because i keep on getting either the "Spy stash" or "Black Market Hub" and have no suicidal tendencies. I guess i was making too much easy money and as a major source of inflation i had to be stopped. There's still something unclear to me: when i'll grow up, flying an overpriced BS, what makes CCP think i'll keep on doing lvl 3 missions with silly loot & bounties when i could get at least the lowest hanging fruits of lvl 4? I hope we can at least agree that mission is totally out of proportion. The BS aren't overpriced. They are an investment, aand once you have one you can earn isk that much faster - so they should cost alot to begin with. You can try doin level 4s in your shiny new Battleship but i think you'll find, in the beginning at least, that they work out less profitable than level 3s. You need at least 1M sp in gunnery plus some great tanking skills to have a good go a t a level 4 in a BS solo. My experience is that I am somewhere between the level 4s and 3s - where level 3s provide a better option for pure isk/hour because i can finish them faster losing less drones. Level 4s are still a reqal challenge, and I have to put aside at least a couple of hours if I want to undertake one. The level 3 Spy Stash and Black Market Hub are challenging missions, but thank god there are some challenging missions after doing level 2 missions for however long it takes to get standing up to correct levels. Just imagine it was like a few more level 2 missions - then you'd really be annoyed. [ 2005.08.15 22:00:10 ] t20 > .... there is no such thing as taking sides, favouritism or whatmaynot.
Nene Ryuseika	Posted - 2005.09.14 20:13:00 - [221] Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong? I've lost a thorax, a brutix, and a prophecy to the Angels Spy Stash second stage.. So i come back with an Armaggeddon... which now has trouble with the first stage??? It seems the bigger the ship, the harder?? I come back with 3 times more armor, but the angels are doing 6 times more damage a minute... Please comment on my setup and help me get through this mission in BS: Armageddon Drone 8x Ogre I High 7x Heavy Beam Laser w Xray M or Radio M 1x Heavy Nosferatu I Med 1x 100mn Afterburner II 1x Cap recharger I 1x Patterned Stasis Web Low 3x 1600mm Reinforced Nanofiber Plates I 1x Energized Adaptive Membrane I 3x Capacitor Power Relay I 1x Large Armor Repairer I In a couple days I'll have large turrets, but I don't feel that will help any... Please help!
Nene Ryuseika Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2005.09.14 20:13:00 - [222] Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong? I've lost a thorax, a brutix, and a prophecy to the Angels Spy Stash second stage.. So i come back with an Armaggeddon... which now has trouble with the first stage??? It seems the bigger the ship, the harder?? I come back with 3 times more armor, but the angels are doing 6 times more damage a minute... Please comment on my setup and help me get through this mission in BS: Armageddon Drone 8x Ogre I High 7x Heavy Beam Laser w Xray M or Radio M 1x Heavy Nosferatu I Med 1x 100mn Afterburner II 1x Cap recharger I 1x Patterned Stasis Web Low 3x 1600mm Reinforced Nanofiber Plates I 1x Energized Adaptive Membrane I 3x Capacitor Power Relay I 1x Large Armor Repairer I In a couple days I'll have large turrets, but I don't feel that will help any... Please help!
Joerd Toastius	Posted - 2005.09.14 23:32:00 - [223] Needs more tank, IMO. I know the latest fad is to have huge plates and that's fine for PvP, but for PvE I'm still of the opinion that being able to tank indefinitely is preferable to simply having lots of hitpoints; the only time I'd consider plates for agents is if I knew I couldn't tank all the damage. I'm not a BS pilot (I do L3s in a Retri) so I'm by no means definitive here but I'd be leaning towards a T2 large rep, a T2 med rep and some active hardners if you can match them up to the damage types.
Joerd Toastius Octavian Vanguard	Posted - 2005.09.14 23:32:00 - [224] Needs more tank, IMO. I know the latest fad is to have huge plates and that's fine for PvP, but for PvE I'm still of the opinion that being able to tank indefinitely is preferable to simply having lots of hitpoints; the only time I'd consider plates for agents is if I knew I couldn't tank all the damage. I'm not a BS pilot (I do L3s in a Retri) so I'm by no means definitive here but I'd be leaning towards a T2 large rep, a T2 med rep and some active hardners if you can match them up to the damage types.
Mahq Mur	Posted - 2005.09.15 02:20:00 - [225] My 1st LVL3 was this Spy Stash & I hv no idea on whats coming up (ignorant?? ). After clearing the 1st stage in a Ferox for an hr , I head straight to the 2nd gate. Guess what? I only see a couple of flares hit me n I'm left 20% shield, instinctly I hit warp. By the time I start warping, left half hull. Repair all n head back in, warp out in disgrace n left half hull again. Tweak, setup with 3 different damage hardener, head back in.......n warp out in half hull again I suffer all these for 4hr b4 DT, n I really want to ***** this mission. So I decided to ask for some advice, n my corp mate gaves me some useful hints...... And YEEHAR! I cleared all in 90mins So I want to share this setting to u all: Hi- 5x Hvy (1 Thunderbolt, 4 Scourge@1st stage, 3 Scourge + defender@2nd stage), 2x Med Neutron blaster (Iridium) Mid- SB2, Kin+Therm Hardener, Webbie, AB2 Lo- 2x PDU2, BCU, Nanofibre With this setting at 2nd stage, I can tank 1 missile batt n intercept another by defender (cos there is no way i can tank 2 ) And with the 2 PDU, i can shield boost non-stop for quite a while b4 i down 1 missile batt.
Mahq Mur AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2005.09.15 02:20:00 - [226] My 1st LVL3 was this Spy Stash & I hv no idea on whats coming up (ignorant?? ). After clearing the 1st stage in a Ferox for an hr , I head straight to the 2nd gate. Guess what? I only see a couple of flares hit me n I'm left 20% shield, instinctly I hit warp. By the time I start warping, left half hull. Repair all n head back in, warp out in disgrace n left half hull again. Tweak, setup with 3 different damage hardener, head back in.......n warp out in half hull again I suffer all these for 4hr b4 DT, n I really want to ***** this mission. So I decided to ask for some advice, n my corp mate gaves me some useful hints...... And YEEHAR! I cleared all in 90mins So I want to share this setting to u all: Hi- 5x Hvy (1 Thunderbolt, 4 Scourge@1st stage, 3 Scourge + defender@2nd stage), 2x Med Neutron blaster (Iridium) Mid- SB2, Kin+Therm Hardener, Webbie, AB2 Lo- 2x PDU2, BCU, Nanofibre With this setting at 2nd stage, I can tank 1 missile batt n intercept another by defender (cos there is no way i can tank 2 ) And with the 2 PDU, i can shield boost non-stop for quite a while b4 i down 1 missile batt.
Seradhin	Posted - 2005.09.16 00:11:00 - [227] Just did the guristas version of this mission for the first time and was a little wary after reading this thread, but managed it without any warp outs and without going below 50% shield. Running the following setup on an eagle: 4x 250mm railgun II with antimatter 2x arbalest assaults with light missiles (for tackler frigs) 1x 10MN AB II, 1x named thermal hardener, 1x named explosive hardener, 1x medium SB II, 1x target painter II 2x Mag field stabiliser II, 2x cap power relay I ~32Mill SPs with a fair amount in combat skills Have a 40km optimal with 7.66x damage mod and 3.81s ROF on those 250s
Seradhin	Posted - 2005.09.16 00:11:00 - [228] Just did the guristas version of this mission for the first time and was a little wary after reading this thread, but managed it without any warp outs and without going below 50% shield. Running the following setup on an eagle: 4x 250mm railgun II with antimatter 2x arbalest assaults with light missiles (for tackler frigs) 1x 10MN AB II, 1x named thermal hardener, 1x named explosive hardener, 1x medium SB II, 1x target painter II 2x Mag field stabiliser II, 2x cap power relay I ~32Mill SPs with a fair amount in combat skills Have a 40km optimal with 7.66x damage mod and 3.81s ROF on those 250s
Jennai	Posted - 2005.09.16 04:42:00 - [229] Originally by: Joerd Toastius Needs more tank, IMO. I know the latest fad is to have huge plates and that's fine for PvP, but for PvE I'm still of the opinion that being able to tank indefinitely is preferable to simply having lots of hitpoints; the only time I'd consider plates for agents is if I knew I couldn't tank all the damage. I'm not a BS pilot (I do L3s in a Retri) so I'm by no means definitive here but I'd be leaning towards a T2 large rep, a T2 med rep and some active hardners if you can match them up to the damage types. I do L3s in a megathron with 4 armor hardeners, large rep, 2 cap relays, and heavy pulse lasers. even with 4 hardeners, stuff like spy stash and black market hub can outdamage your tank at first, but you can sustain the rep for a really long time and should be able to kill most of the stuff before you get low on armor/cap.
Jennai Leonard J. Crabs Legal Consortium	Posted - 2005.09.16 04:42:00 - [230] Originally by: Joerd Toastius Needs more tank, IMO. I know the latest fad is to have huge plates and that's fine for PvP, but for PvE I'm still of the opinion that being able to tank indefinitely is preferable to simply having lots of hitpoints; the only time I'd consider plates for agents is if I knew I couldn't tank all the damage. I'm not a BS pilot (I do L3s in a Retri) so I'm by no means definitive here but I'd be leaning towards a T2 large rep, a T2 med rep and some active hardners if you can match them up to the damage types. I do L3s in a megathron with 4 armor hardeners, large rep, 2 cap relays, and heavy pulse lasers. even with 4 hardeners, stuff like spy stash and black market hub can outdamage your tank at first, but you can sustain the rep for a really long time and should be able to kill most of the stuff before you get low on armor/cap.
Snooppari	Posted - 2005.09.16 06:10:00 - [231] In my ferox all lvl 3 missions are pretty easy to me tho.. So I'm wondering what ppl are doing wrong..
Snooppari	Posted - 2005.09.16 06:10:00 - [232] In my ferox all lvl 3 missions are pretty easy to me tho.. So I'm wondering what ppl are doing wrong..
Mahq Mur	Posted - 2005.09.16 07:11:00 - [233] Originally by: Snooppari In my ferox all lvl 3 missions are pretty easy to me tho.. So I'm wondering what ppl are doing wrong.. Kind enough to share yours fitting?
Mahq Mur AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2005.09.16 07:11:00 - [234] Originally by: Snooppari In my ferox all lvl 3 missions are pretty easy to me tho.. So I'm wondering what ppl are doing wrong.. Kind enough to share yours fitting?
Schnuur	Posted - 2005.09.16 08:34:00 - [235] Originally by: Jennai Originally by: Joerd Toastius Needs more tank, IMO. I know the latest fad is to have huge plates and that's fine for PvP, but for PvE I'm still of the opinion that being able to tank indefinitely is preferable to simply having lots of hitpoints; the only time I'd consider plates for agents is if I knew I couldn't tank all the damage. I'm not a BS pilot (I do L3s in a Retri) so I'm by no means definitive here but I'd be leaning towards a T2 large rep, a T2 med rep and some active hardners if you can match them up to the damage types. I do L3s in a megathron with 4 armor hardeners, large rep, 2 cap relays, and heavy pulse lasers. even with 4 hardeners, stuff like spy stash and black market hub can outdamage your tank at first, but you can sustain the rep for a really long time and should be able to kill most of the stuff before you get low on armor/cap. In an Ishtar, Black Market Hub is a piece of cake - even without guns.
Schnuur Gallente Darkblade Technologies Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2005.09.16 08:34:00 - [236] Originally by: Jennai Originally by: Joerd Toastius Needs more tank, IMO. I know the latest fad is to have huge plates and that's fine for PvP, but for PvE I'm still of the opinion that being able to tank indefinitely is preferable to simply having lots of hitpoints; the only time I'd consider plates for agents is if I knew I couldn't tank all the damage. I'm not a BS pilot (I do L3s in a Retri) so I'm by no means definitive here but I'd be leaning towards a T2 large rep, a T2 med rep and some active hardners if you can match them up to the damage types. I do L3s in a megathron with 4 armor hardeners, large rep, 2 cap relays, and heavy pulse lasers. even with 4 hardeners, stuff like spy stash and black market hub can outdamage your tank at first, but you can sustain the rep for a really long time and should be able to kill most of the stuff before you get low on armor/cap. In an Ishtar, Black Market Hub is a piece of cake - even without guns.
Snooppari	Posted - 2005.09.16 09:41:00 - [237] Edited by: Snooppari on 16/09/2005 09:41:50 Originally by: Mahq Mur Originally by: Snooppari In my ferox all lvl 3 missions are pretty easy to me tho.. So I'm wondering what ppl are doing wrong.. Kind enough to share yours fitting? I use: high slots: 5x 'malkuth' heavy missile lauchers (could put better tho) 2x NOS (one is medium diminishing power system drain I) med slots: L T2 shield boost, 10MN T2 AB, 3x active hardeners (kin, therm, em) Low slots: 3x T2 pds, ballistic control.. also I have pretty good skills.. and 5 medium drones, forgot to mention that..
Snooppari	Posted - 2005.09.16 09:41:00 - [238] Edited by: Snooppari on 16/09/2005 09:41:50 Originally by: Mahq Mur Originally by: Snooppari In my ferox all lvl 3 missions are pretty easy to me tho.. So I'm wondering what ppl are doing wrong.. Kind enough to share yours fitting? I use: high slots: 5x 'malkuth' heavy missile lauchers (could put better tho) 2x NOS (one is medium diminishing power system drain I) med slots: L T2 shield boost, 10MN T2 AB, 3x active hardeners (kin, therm, em) Low slots: 3x T2 pds, ballistic control.. also I have pretty good skills.. and 5 medium drones, forgot to mention that..
Nev Clavain	Posted - 2005.09.16 11:15:00 - [239] Edited by: Nev Clavain on 16/09/2005 11:18:29 Originally by: Nene Ryuseika Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong? I've lost a thorax, a brutix, and a prophecy to the Angels Spy Stash second stage.. So i come back with an Armaggeddon... which now has trouble with the first stage??? It seems the bigger the ship, the harder?? I come back with 3 times more armor, but the angels are doing 6 times more damage a minute... Please comment on my setup and help me get through this mission in BS: Armageddon Drone 8x Ogre I High 7x Heavy Beam Laser w Xray M or Radio M 1x Heavy Nosferatu I Med 1x 100mn Afterburner II 1x Cap recharger I 1x Patterned Stasis Web Low 3x 1600mm Reinforced Nanofiber Plates I 1x Energized Adaptive Membrane I 3x Capacitor Power Relay I 1x Large Armor Repairer I In a couple days I'll have large turrets, but I don't feel that will help any... Please help! Too many plates and not enough hardeners is my opinion. Try using your lowslots like this : 1x large armour rep (Named or tech II makes a big diff when combined with hardeners) 3x Hardeners (I use one kin 1 explos 1 therm as standard to cover all damage types) 1x 1600mm plate (a little extra hitpoints in case things get hairy) 3x Module of your choice ( either capacitor relays or damage and tracking mods) Having all those 1600 plates sure gives you alot of armour - but it isnt GOOD armour. Whereas with just one plate and 3 active hardeners your armour resistance will all be above 60 and you will still have nearly 8000 hitpoints in an armageddon. Make sure your cap recharge is good enough so you can run the three hardeners and the large armour repairer almost permanently on their own. Remember cap recharges alot faster when it is nearly empty too. You also dont have much fitted capable of dealing with close frigs although I'd guess your heavy drones and webber can do alot of work there. Large turrets, generally speaking, won't help you with your level 3 missions, and you are better of finding a good setup with medium guns.
Nev Clavain Wise Guys Rogue Method Alliance	Posted - 2005.09.16 11:15:00 - [240] Edited by: Nev Clavain on 16/09/2005 11:18:29 Originally by: Nene Ryuseika Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong? I've lost a thorax, a brutix, and a prophecy to the Angels Spy Stash second stage.. So i come back with an Armaggeddon... which now has trouble with the first stage??? It seems the bigger the ship, the harder?? I come back with 3 times more armor, but the angels are doing 6 times more damage a minute... Please comment on my setup and help me get through this mission in BS: Armageddon Drone 8x Ogre I High 7x Heavy Beam Laser w Xray M or Radio M 1x Heavy Nosferatu I Med 1x 100mn Afterburner II 1x Cap recharger I 1x Patterned Stasis Web Low 3x 1600mm Reinforced Nanofiber Plates I 1x Energized Adaptive Membrane I 3x Capacitor Power Relay I 1x Large Armor Repairer I In a couple days I'll have large turrets, but I don't feel that will help any... Please help! Too many plates and not enough hardeners is my opinion. Try using your lowslots like this : 1x large armour rep (Named or tech II makes a big diff when combined with hardeners) 3x Hardeners (I use one kin 1 explos 1 therm as standard to cover all damage types) 1x 1600mm plate (a little extra hitpoints in case things get hairy) 3x Module of your choice ( either capacitor relays or damage and tracking mods) Having all those 1600 plates sure gives you alot of armour - but it isnt GOOD armour. Whereas with just one plate and 3 active hardeners your armour resistance will all be above 60 and you will still have nearly 8000 hitpoints in an armageddon. Make sure your cap recharge is good enough so you can run the three hardeners and the large armour repairer almost permanently on their own. Remember cap recharges alot faster when it is nearly empty too. You also dont have much fitted capable of dealing with close frigs although I'd guess your heavy drones and webber can do alot of work there. Large turrets, generally speaking, won't help you with your level 3 missions, and you are better of finding a good setup with medium guns. [ 2005.08.15 22:00:10 ] t20 > .... there is no such thing as taking sides, favouritism or whatmaynot.

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