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Mizhir
Red Federation
4520
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Posted - 2013.02.14 18:27:00 -
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Alice Saki wrote:What is so good about Bumping a Miner? The tears? The Logi Pilot we need... Not the Logi Pilot we deserve |

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2233
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Posted - 2013.02.14 18:31:00 -
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lol |

Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
35
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Posted - 2013.02.14 18:31:00 -
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What is hilarious is to me is that people are taking this "movement" this serious. Its an incredible troll job honestly.
This whole thing boiled down is just a bunch of goons alts that are bored but also goons trying to impact the ability for some to make isk in high sec to fund low and null sec pvp.
The sheeple that are lining up because they think this is some valiant and honest effort to "save the game" is quite honestly one of the funniest things I have seen in a while in Eve.
Well done Goons, well done
 Librarian-á and -áExotic Dancer Extraordinaire
A modern girl for a modern world. |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2446
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Posted - 2013.02.14 18:32:00 -
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Alice Saki wrote:What is so good about Bumping a Miner?
The tears. Miners seem to believe that bumping them is worse than awoxing or ganking them.
Apparently booking your flight & accomodation to Iceland BEFORE you buy the tickets for the convention which is pretty much the only reason you wanted to go there in the first place is popular. |

Verfanny
Seamap Solutions
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Posted - 2013.02.14 18:36:00 -
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Alice Saki wrote:What is so good about Bumping a Miner?
What's so good about Bumping a Miner All it does is make you cry Well if bumpin' causes grief Bumping a Miner can break your heart |

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2233
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Posted - 2013.02.14 18:38:00 -
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Yeah, Goons really need alts to make something like this happen...
e: tbh I don't even think they would care for bumping really... |

Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
53
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Posted - 2013.02.14 18:39:00 -
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TL;DR Version:
If you don't want EVE going the way of Ultima Online, then support James 315. |

FeralShadow
Black Storm Cartel
197
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Posted - 2013.02.14 18:47:00 -
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Well spoken OP. I agree with most of what you say. The amount of ignorance and shortsightedness on the part of most of your responders is frankly sad. Shift click to open new window. How the Eve Sandbox Works:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=482176#post482176
"I believe in karma. That's why whenever I do something sh**ty to others, they somehow deserved it." |

Arronicus
Brave Newbies Inc.
188
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Posted - 2013.02.14 19:00:00 -
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Posting in a James 315 alt thread where he type 6 or 7 walls of text to try to help people 'understand' him. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Gordian Knot Holdings
5680
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Posted - 2013.02.14 19:01:00 -
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Sariah Kion wrote:What is hilarious is to me is that people are taking this "movement" this serious. Its an incredible troll job honestly. This whole thing boiled down is just a bunch of goons alts that are bored but also goons trying to impact the ability for some to make isk in high sec to fund low and null sec pvp. The sheeple that are lining up because they think this is some valiant and honest effort to "save the game" is quite honestly one of the funniest things I have seen in a while in Eve. Well done Goons, well done 
Weirdly enough I'd say a majority of the bumpers aren't goon alts at all. Goons just plain wouldn't tolerate the amount of reformed carebears pubbies involved.
I am Ohm of Borg, Resistance is Voltage/Current. |

Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
36
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Posted - 2013.02.14 19:04:00 -
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I think its a little funny and ironic that the tag line "self entitled" is used so much with these guys. There is no more self entitled group that then mouth breathing pvp types who think anything short of "anarchy" is the death knell for a game.
There are reasonable pvp types, in fact, I think most of the pvpers in Eve understand the need of empire and a well rounded demographic to make Eve what it is and fuel the engine that provides the conflict.
There is a reason many of these mouth breathers have never developed their own MMO.........
Librarian-á and -áExotic Dancer Extraordinaire
A modern girl for a modern world. |

Zuroku Podiene
Blood Raven Syndicate
50
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Posted - 2013.02.14 19:06:00 -
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Call me crazy... but I actually like OPs post. Being an old avid Ultima Online player myself (man... how far we have come in MMOs simply astounds me) I definitely see the similiarities with what they are doing. I joined UO after Trammel was already implemented and after playing on it for a year... I had to switch to the PVP realm. Things just got boring quickly. You could hardly get excited if all you had was AI monsters in your face. There was no risk, all reward. That seems the way things in Eve are moving.
Now don't get me wrong. A lot of things that were broken did get quite nicely fixed (Bounty Hunting for one, good job on that) but all the nonsense about buffing mining barges? How do carebear's play without someone telling them what to click, really? If you got ganked, here's an idea. FIT A TANK LIKE EVERY OTHER SHIP ON THE DAMN GAME! I mean, I'm no Nostradamus. I've made my mistakes too (hauling 600m worth of cargo in a T1 hauler for instance), but the whole point of Eve is If you screw up, its your own damn fault. No one is going to hold your hand, give you a free hotdog, and get you a deed to a multi-million dollar home. You either learn, or you don't. Its a dog-eat-dog world in Eve, and that is what I love.
I know that most of the Eve playerbase likes a challenge. I mean, how could we play it otherwise? Even the interface is way more complex then your average MMO. But it lets you get creative. That's what we like.
How many other games can you say, " I own 25% of the entire game map."
I'm waiting. |

Verfanny
Seamap Solutions
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Posted - 2013.02.14 19:07:00 -
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So if I understand well, James fights the carebear who play the sandbox their way who, in turn, fights James for playing the sandbox his way. Is that it? |

Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition Insurance Fraud.
207
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Posted - 2013.02.14 19:12:00 -
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There is so much stupid in OP that it pains me to admit that OP's conclusions are right... because OP doesn't have the faintest clue why.
And this has potential to cross into entitlement territory, ironically... There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency. |

Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
36
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Posted - 2013.02.14 19:14:00 -
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Verfanny wrote:So if I understand well, James fights the carebear who play the sandbox their way who, in turn, fights James for playing the sandbox his way. Is that it?
Thats close except one group doesnt want to play on a level playing field.
The ganking is fine but most of the tears come from the gankers now days because they have to put in more of an investment than 3 days skill training and throw away cheap ships to gank ships that took months to sit in and fly.
Make no mistake, the tears flow from both sides of this argument and the ganker element has been shedding a lot of them lately. Librarian-á and -áExotic Dancer Extraordinaire
A modern girl for a modern world. |

Eli Green
The Arrow Project
477
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Posted - 2013.02.14 19:15:00 -
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S.O.S. lost in the OP don't know wtf is going on someone halp wumbo |

Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
830
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Posted - 2013.02.14 19:20:00 -
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Sariah Kion wrote:Verfanny wrote:So if I understand well, James fights the carebear who play the sandbox their way who, in turn, fights James for playing the sandbox his way. Is that it? Thats close except one group doesnt want to play on a level playing field. The ganking is fine but most of the tears come from the gankers now days because they have to put in more of an investment than 3 days skill training and throw away cheap ships to gank ships that took months to sit in and fly. Make no mistake, the tears flow from both sides of this argument and the ganker element has been shedding a lot of them lately. the person who wrote this suffers from a lack of reading comprehension.
@OP: very nice writeup. i wish every EVE player was able and willing to read and understand it.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |

Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
830
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Posted - 2013.02.14 19:23:00 -
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Verfanny wrote:So if I understand well, James fights the carebear who play the sandbox their way who, in turn, fights James for playing the sandbox his way. Is that it? no. james fights for the one popular MMO that is still somewhat of a sandbox to not be overrun by carebears and become a space candyand.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |

Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
36
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Posted - 2013.02.14 19:26:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:Sariah Kion wrote:Verfanny wrote:So if I understand well, James fights the carebear who play the sandbox their way who, in turn, fights James for playing the sandbox his way. Is that it? Thats close except one group doesnt want to play on a level playing field. The ganking is fine but most of the tears come from the gankers now days because they have to put in more of an investment than 3 days skill training and throw away cheap ships to gank ships that took months to sit in and fly. Make no mistake, the tears flow from both sides of this argument and the ganker element has been shedding a lot of them lately. the person who wrote this suffers from a lack of reading comprehension. @OP: very nice writeup. i wish every EVE player was able and willing to read and understand it.
Here comes the irony part..... there really should be little doubt about who the self entitled element is in this argument.
Not completely agreeing with something doesnt mean they didnt comprehend the material.
Librarian-á and -áExotic Dancer Extraordinaire
A modern girl for a modern world. |

Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
36
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Posted - 2013.02.14 19:32:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:Verfanny wrote:So if I understand well, James fights the carebear who play the sandbox their way who, in turn, fights James for playing the sandbox his way. Is that it? no. james fights for the one popular MMO that is still somewhat of a sandbox to not be overrun by carebears and become a space candyand.
They should get rid of high sec.
Then all 70k-100k( thats being generous) of you can run around in a game that would see little to no future development and quickly become a wasteland and forgotten game.
The Ultimate irony in all of this is the same folks who champion the growth of the game over the years fail to correlate that growth to the gradual changes to entice a less harsh "lifestyle" in high sec over the years.
I wish they would take out all safeguards and rule of law in high sec because this forum would be entertaining reading all of this morons cry as the game dies a quick death.
Librarian-á and -áExotic Dancer Extraordinaire
A modern girl for a modern world. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Gordian Knot Holdings
5683
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Posted - 2013.02.14 19:34:00 -
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Sariah Kion wrote:I think its a little funny and ironic that the tag line "self entitled" is used so much with these guys. There is no more self entitled group that then mouth breathing pvp types who think anything short of "anarchy" is the death knell for a game.
There are reasonable pvp types, in fact, I think most of the pvpers in Eve understand the need of empire and a well rounded demographic to make Eve what it is and fuel the engine that provides the conflict.
There is a reason many of these mouth breathers have never developed their own MMO.........
Umm they did, some of the PKers (player killers) from UO got together and formed CCP, the company that produces Eve.
I am Ohm of Borg, Resistance is Voltage/Current. |

mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
428
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Posted - 2013.02.14 19:38:00 -
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Sariah Kion wrote:Daniel Plain wrote:Verfanny wrote:So if I understand well, James fights the carebear who play the sandbox their way who, in turn, fights James for playing the sandbox his way. Is that it? no. james fights for the one popular MMO that is still somewhat of a sandbox to not be overrun by carebears and become a space candyand. They should get rid of high sec. Then all 70k-100k( thats being generous) of you can run around in a game that would see little to no future development and quickly become a wasteland and forgotten game. The Ultimate irony in all of this is the same folks who champion the growth of the game over the years fail to correlate that growth to the gradual changes to entice a less harsh "lifestyle" in high sec over the years. I wish they would take out all safeguards and rule of law in high sec because this forum would be entertaining reading all of these morons cry as the game dies a quick death.
You have no more proof that the growth of the game is exclusively due to highsec players than I do that it's due to nullsec players. Less silly claims, please. This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay. |

Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
36
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Posted - 2013.02.14 19:43:00 -
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mynnna wrote:Sariah Kion wrote:Daniel Plain wrote:Verfanny wrote:So if I understand well, James fights the carebear who play the sandbox their way who, in turn, fights James for playing the sandbox his way. Is that it? no. james fights for the one popular MMO that is still somewhat of a sandbox to not be overrun by carebears and become a space candyand. They should get rid of high sec. Then all 70k-100k( thats being generous) of you can run around in a game that would see little to no future development and quickly become a wasteland and forgotten game. The Ultimate irony in all of this is the same folks who champion the growth of the game over the years fail to correlate that growth to the gradual changes to entice a less harsh "lifestyle" in high sec over the years. I wish they would take out all safeguards and rule of law in high sec because this forum would be entertaining reading all of these morons cry as the game dies a quick death. You have no more proof that the growth of the game is exclusively due to highsec players than I do that it's due to nullsec players. Less silly claims, please.
CCP produces the population charts. Its pretty clear to everyone but the head in the sand pvpers.
Lets get honest. What would happen to this game if High Sec would function like low sec?
Ill tell you what would happen, the game would die. Librarian-á and -áExotic Dancer Extraordinaire
A modern girl for a modern world. |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
3046
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Posted - 2013.02.14 19:47:00 -
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Sariah Kion wrote:[ Here comes the irony part..... there really should be little doubt about who the self entitled element is in this argument. You mean the people who insist on 'consensual PVP' only? |

Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
1124
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Posted - 2013.02.14 19:48:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:murdering carebears Kill one carebear: you're a griefer. Kill a million carebears: you're a savior. Kill them all: you're a god. If you're not already part of a bloc, this is the best guy for CSM8. |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
3046
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Posted - 2013.02.14 19:52:00 -
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Sariah Kion wrote:Quote:game is exclusively due to highsec players than I do that it's due to nullsec players. Less silly claims, please. CCP produces the population charts. Its pretty clear to everyone but the head in the sand pvpers. Lets get honest. What would happen to this game if High Sec would function like low sec? Ill tell you what would happen, the game would die. You're confusing "highsec inhabitant" with "PvP intolerant player". Most players live in highsec because it is competitively advantageous to do so, not because they refuse to take risks. It's that the rewards for taking risks are not there. Players like being rewarded. Change the rewards and risks equally for all and we'll see who stays and who goes.
What we do know is that the "PvE exclusive" crowd, judging by carebear expansions that are considered failures like Incursion and Tyrannis, is a small minority when it comes to CCP's bottom line. Whether it's because they are small in number or because they PLEX all their subs, I can't say, but I can say that nerfing their riskaverse isk farming "playstyle" will not kill EVE. |

Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
832
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Posted - 2013.02.14 19:52:00 -
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Sariah Kion wrote:mynnna wrote:Sariah Kion wrote:Daniel Plain wrote:Verfanny wrote:So if I understand well, James fights the carebear who play the sandbox their way who, in turn, fights James for playing the sandbox his way. Is that it? no. james fights for the one popular MMO that is still somewhat of a sandbox to not be overrun by carebears and become a space candyand. They should get rid of high sec. Then all 70k-100k( thats being generous) of you can run around in a game that would see little to no future development and quickly become a wasteland and forgotten game. The Ultimate irony in all of this is the same folks who champion the growth of the game over the years fail to correlate that growth to the gradual changes to entice a less harsh "lifestyle" in high sec over the years. I wish they would take out all safeguards and rule of law in high sec because this forum would be entertaining reading all of these morons cry as the game dies a quick death. You have no more proof that the growth of the game is exclusively due to highsec players than I do that it's due to nullsec players. Less silly claims, please. CCP produces the population charts. Its pretty clear to everyone but the head in the sand pvpers. Lets get honest. What would happen to this game if High Sec would function like low sec? Ill tell you what would happen, the game would die. is eve dying again? oh my...
highsec should not function like lowsec. because if it did, it would be lowsec. highsec should function like a starting point for new players to get off their training wheels and not for EVERYONE to stay there indefinitely and suck on glaciers while watching porn.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |

Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
36
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Posted - 2013.02.14 19:58:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote: highsec should not function like lowsec. because if it did, it would be lowsec. highsec should function like a starting point for new players to get off their training wheels and not for EVERYONE to stay there indefinitely and suck on glaciers while watching porn.
So, in other words, you dont like people playing in the sandbox differently that you.
There is a self entitled group in Eve, no doubt about that. Who that group is is very clear.
Librarian-á and -áExotic Dancer Extraordinaire
A modern girl for a modern world. |

flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
831
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Posted - 2013.02.14 19:58:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Sariah Kion wrote:[ Here comes the irony part..... there really should be little doubt about who the self entitled element is in this argument. You mean the people who insist on 'consensual PVP' only?
I think he means the folks who are more risk averse then the dude flying missions all day in his faction fit machariel and as such need high sec for easy ganking and a '''lookatmakillboardoWnzorz'' approach of the game ... quite certain he means those people.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
36
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Posted - 2013.02.14 20:04:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Sariah Kion wrote:Quote:game is exclusively due to highsec players than I do that it's due to nullsec players. Less silly claims, please. CCP produces the population charts. Its pretty clear to everyone but the head in the sand pvpers. Lets get honest. What would happen to this game if High Sec would function like low sec? Ill tell you what would happen, the game would die. You're confusing "highsec inhabitant" with "PvP intolerant player". Most players live in highsec because it is competitively advantageous to do so, not because they refuse to take risks. It's that the rewards for taking risks are not there. Players like being rewarded. Change the rewards and risks equally for all and we'll see who stays and who goes. What we do know is that the "PvE exclusive" crowd, judging by carebear expansions that are considered failures like Incursion and Tyrannis, is a small minority when it comes to CCP's bottom line. Whether it's because they are small in number or because they PLEX all their subs, I can't say, but I can say that nerfing their riskaverse isk farming "playstyle" will not kill EVE. The "carebear dollar" myth is usually invoked when all other arguments to defend anti-PVP standpoints are exhausted and the anti-EVE arguer has to resort to threatening EVE itself.
No. The pvp crazy pants crowd are the ones who have drawn a BS imagined line in the sand differentiating between the two making two groups "with us" and "against us".
Its all hogwash and most everyone falls into a middle ground mixing pvp with high sec activities.
You can dismiss the realities of taking away options and play styles will lead to less revenue all you want but thats a pretty simple and fundamental fact and reality. Each time you take away options the people who operated under those options will leave, at least a significant portion. Its not a myth.
Like I said, CCP isnt stupid. They are not going to cow tow to a minority that wants to limit everyone into playing the game they way they benefits them the most.
Librarian-á and -áExotic Dancer Extraordinaire
A modern girl for a modern world. |
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