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Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
1129
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Posted - 2013.02.14 20:46:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:And a lack of pirates is causing global warming. ****, I'll get back to low-sec ASAP... If you're not already part of a bloc, this is the best guy for CSM8. |

Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
36
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Posted - 2013.02.14 20:46:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:Sariah Kion wrote:the reality as high sec has been slowly morphed into what it is today and correlating that with the steady rise in subscriptions and where that population growth resides in the galaxy. The long term numbers say all that needs to be said. And a lack of pirates is causing global warming.

Librarian-á and -áExotic Dancer Extraordinaire
A modern girl for a modern world. |

Buzz Skywalker
Happy Rabbits Club Redneck Rage
8
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Posted - 2013.02.14 20:50:00 -
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So, because mining barges and exhumers got a boost to their EHP, CCP is moving EvE in the direction of being a carebear campground themepark?
Pull the other one, it's got bells on it. |

Altaen
Calamitous-Intent
37
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Posted - 2013.02.14 20:50:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:Wall-o-text taken to a whole new level. Did not read. This will be a productive thread. 
A shame. Was a good read. |

Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
257
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Posted - 2013.02.14 20:54:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:****, I'll get back to low-sec ASAP...
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Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
36
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Posted - 2013.02.14 20:56:00 -
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Buzz Skywalker wrote:So, because mining barges and exhumers got a boost to their EHP, CCP is moving EvE in the direction of being a carebear campground themepark?
Pull the other one, it's got bells on it.
Both extremes are outta their minds-crazy sometimes to be quite frank.
Its mostly personally/playstyle agenda driven as well and never as holistic and benevolent as "saving the game".
Im pretty safe in saying that the majority falls in the middle where they think the game needs the balance of playstyles and offerings to be as successful and fun as it can be.
Librarian-á and -áExotic Dancer Extraordinaire
A modern girl for a modern world. |

TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
978
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Posted - 2013.02.14 20:57:00 -
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Bravo, Vaeliel.
As for James CSM platform, I see it as partly satirising the idiotic crap we've seen other people - like trebor, ripard teg, etc - say, as well as the general consensus among so many of the highsec bears. Those kind of trammelification ideas have been pushed for years, a few have even been implemented, but they're not shouted out as insane and extreme (or at least not by many people). |

Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
459
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Posted - 2013.02.14 20:59:00 -
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James is going to be a great CSM. If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |

TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
978
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Posted - 2013.02.14 21:08:00 -
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Sexy Cakes wrote:Vaeliel wrote:Ask yourself this: How much does Eve really punish players now who can't be bothered to think and understand the game? How smart and on your toes do you actually have to be now to survive in the game and make progress? Eve has never punished players for being stupid, other players punish them for being stupid, and it happens on a daily basis. Putting a hardcap on the amount of douchebaggery one can inflict (introducing ore holds and buffing barges/exhumers, taking away insurance payout from suicide ganking) was long overdue. I'm all for teaching stupid people lessons the hard way, but allowing crap to go on like can flipping and insurance payouts to concorded ships was dumb and it took way too long for CCP to realize the definition of the word lame and how it was negatively affecting their new player retention. Things like that happen in a sandbox game though. As for your second question; you don't have to be smart or on your toes to make progress in this game, all you have to do is log in for less than 60 seconds a few times a week. P.S. I read all that crap in the hopes you would sum up what James315 grand plan is and save me the agony of reading all of his crap. Left dissapointed.
Negatively affecting their new player retention Subscriptions doing nothing but increase (not counting the incarna fiasco)
pick one, mate
also, why should new player retention be held above OLD player retention. You've already got thousands upon thousands of people who have been paying month after month for years on end, if your attempts to retain new players alienate those players - the ones who are hooked, who are already a done deal - well that's just stupid
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Vin King
State War Academy Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2013.02.14 21:16:00 -
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Sariah Kion wrote:Really? You link to the James 315 CSM platform then try and say that you are not about "changing the game mechanics"  Good stuff....
You realize, I'm hoping, that there is a difference between James' CSM platform and the operations of the New Order. The Order is doing fantastic without changes. James' CSM platform is the same as any other CSM platform, a political manifesto of the direction he'd like to see the game go. I support his platform separately of my interactions with the New Order. 315 4 CSM 8 |
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Dyjal'Ryn
Validation Error Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
3
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Posted - 2013.02.14 21:30:00 -
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What is this... I don't even... |

Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1711
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Posted - 2013.02.14 21:39:00 -
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Well there you have it
James 315's RvB alt. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread
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Agent Trask
New Order Logistics CODE.
55
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Posted - 2013.02.14 21:53:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote: ... Subscriptions doing nothing but increase (not counting the incarna fiasco) ...
Incarna would have been a success if we were allowed to gank other players in station.
"Nice implants ya got there, miner-boy ..." ( sets phaser to deep fry )
Join the New Order, buy your permit today, and follow the code.
www.minerbumping.com |

Miss Spent Youth
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.02.14 21:53:00 -
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or you could, ya know, go outside in the yard and pull the legs off spiders. |

Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
982
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Posted - 2013.02.14 21:54:00 -
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I have two characters, both of whom live hi-sec, but I sure as hell do not consider myself a hi-sec player....
Sorry, Mynnna, I could not resist.
Your post just made me smile. This is not a signature. |

Agent Trask
New Order Logistics CODE.
55
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Posted - 2013.02.14 21:55:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Well there you have it
James 315's RvB alt.
We are all Spartacus James 315!
Join the New Order, buy your permit today, and follow the code.
www.minerbumping.com |

Vin King
State War Academy Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2013.02.14 22:00:00 -
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Miss Spent Youth wrote:or you could, ya know, go outside in the yard and pull the legs off spiders.
We do. It just so happens that our yard is HighSec, and the spiders that inhabit it are called "miners." 315 4 CSM 8 |

Infamous ElGuapo
Brave Newbies Inc.
1
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Posted - 2013.02.14 22:02:00 -
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Drama...conflict....interweb spaceships... lol
Continue..... you amuse me. |

Agent Trask
New Order Logistics CODE.
55
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Posted - 2013.02.14 22:11:00 -
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Infamous ElGuapo wrote:Drama...conflict....interweb spaceships... lol
Continue..... you amuse me.
o7
We live to serve!
Join the New Order, buy your permit today, and follow the code.
www.minerbumping.com |

Miss Spent Youth
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.02.14 22:11:00 -
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The tears from "hard core Pee v Pee players" are far sweeter than any other.
I think you will find many carebears are perfectly happy for pvp to take place consensual or not. it is the douchbaggery that goes on that sticks in the claw. The thing I find Ironic from the OP is that he is in a corp that is only about consensual pvp. The lamest pvp model ever. |
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JC Anderson
Noir. Black Legion.
903
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Posted - 2013.02.14 22:34:00 -
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Miss Spent Youth wrote:The tears from "hard core Pee v Pee players" are far sweeter than any other.
I think you will find many carebears are perfectly happy for pvp to take place consensual or not. it is the douchbaggery that goes on that sticks in the claw. The thing I find Ironic from the OP is that he is in a corp that is only about consensual pvp. The lamest pvp model ever.
Eh... RVB is about instant and constant PVP and nothing else.
It's a great addition to EVE for people that want to jump into PVP through the crash course that is otherwise known as RvB. |

Corey Fumimasa
Royal Caldari Imperial Guard Imperium Directive
128
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Posted - 2013.02.14 23:03:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:the 'carebear dollar' myth is exactly that, a 'simple and fundamental fact' proven time and again. Then why has the game consistently moved towards safer and easier?
This is a youtube playlist going over my first 30 ship losses. Video sucks but the audio came out well.There are some good lessons, and if you know the game there's some funny stories. |

Imiarr Timshae
Funny Men In Funny Hats
53
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Posted - 2013.02.14 23:15:00 -
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Read the first post, got disinterested. Boring topic about a boring subject. The end. |

Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
263
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Posted - 2013.02.14 23:17:00 -
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Corey Fumimasa wrote:Then why has the game consistently moved towards safer and easier? Because myths hold great power over the human mind.
And carebears are the whiniest motherfuckers on the planet. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |

Corey Fumimasa
Royal Caldari Imperial Guard Imperium Directive
128
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Posted - 2013.02.14 23:20:00 -
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Imiarr Timshae wrote:Read the first post, got disinterested. Boring topic about a boring subject. The end. Your a real mover and a shaker huh?
This is a youtube playlist going over my first 30 ship losses. Video sucks but the audio came out well.There are some good lessons, and if you know the game there's some funny stories. |

Azrin Stella Oerndotte
The Nommo Insurance Fraud.
51
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Posted - 2013.02.14 23:28:00 -
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I can't believe someone would be so butthurt over no longer being able to kill miners with no risk at all. What the hell.
I believe that the aggression changes promote pvp in highsec, because now people can shoot you more often, you all want others to experience more risk but when you are the ones that get that risk, you scream like children. Entitled children.
You can still pray on newbs that doesn't know aggresion mechanics, you can till can flip (need a buddy for it though). Mining barges has been easy as hell to gank for way too long and unless they sit in a procurer or skiff, they can still be ganked without too much trouble (they don't fit tank, right?). |

Kuseka Adama
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2013.02.14 23:28:00 -
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I've said it before i'll say it again. He's an agent of the goons.
All New Order pilots are KOS regardless what concord or CCP says. I think he's fanning the flames far too early and i will be voting against him in CSM.
And until the leader of goonswarm...no let me rephrase that. the Leader of the CircleJerk that null sec has become (which is quite frankly WORSE than high sec at the moment in terms of carebearing) Stands up and proves James 315 is banned from all goonswarm servers and factions i have no reason to believe ANYTHING that's been said by him or his agents. Or that this so called new order is nothing but a crock of BS.
While the OP gave a long thought out post and actually highlights a potential problem. The fact of the matter is this. He has no CCP authority. What he does is against concord rules. He's no Savior. In that respect he's exactly like Barrack Obama. And yes since we're going into those kind of conversations i'm going to go there.
His followers are just as fanatical potentially even more so. And what he wants will only enhance the circlejerk collective that null sec has become. Fail thread 1/10. |

Simon Louvaki
Sengokuvaa Corporation
87
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Posted - 2013.02.14 23:34:00 -
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Vaeliel wrote: See, I thought what you've been doing for 8 months now was an elaborate and brilliantly executed troll on a scale not seen in High Sec before. I was right.
Fixed it for ya.
Sengokuvaa Corporate HQFederal Administration Information CenterOffice Complex 781, Tier VLuminaire VII (Caldari Prime) |

Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
841
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Posted - 2013.02.14 23:34:00 -
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Azrin Stella Oerndotte wrote:I can't believe someone would be so butthurt over no longer being able to kill miners with no risk at all. What the hell.
I believe that the aggression changes promote pvp in highsec, because now people can shoot you more often, you all want others to experience more risk but when you are the ones that get that risk, you scream like children. Entitled children.
You can still pray on newbs that doesn't know aggresion mechanics, you can till can flip (need a buddy for it though). Mining barges has been easy as hell to gank for way too long and unless they sit in a procurer or skiff, they can still be ganked without too much trouble (they don't fit tank, right?). congratulations, you managed to produce three whole paragraphs that are completely irrelevant to the topic. i strongly encourage you to read the OP and actually try to understand it.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
3101
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Posted - 2013.02.14 23:35:00 -
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Vaeliel wrote:To parallel this for you - the criminal flagging system introduced with the latest CrimeWatch update was exactly the same thing Ultima Online did to aggression and thievery mechanics when they changed the notoriety system to be far less forgiving to criminals. The last CrimeWatch update was so similar to the Ultima Online changes way back when that I'm almost certain CCP simply molded them to fit their game. Criminally flagging an aggressor makes him open to attack from everyone, providing a huge deterrent to aggressive behaviors without outright making them impossible.
The suspect flagging system simply requires a little more thinking about how you capture your prey. No longer are you safe just harassing one person. You have to get them to aggress you.
All this focus on harassing miners in hisec and complaining about hisec security mechanics is missing something. Since you raised Trammel in your long, pointless rant, you should pay more attention to why Trammel ruined Ultima Online: the main reason is that everything you could do in Felucca, you could also do in Trammel with no risk.
Let's have a look at EVE Online: can you do everything in hisec that you can do in lowsec or nullsec? No capitals, no bubbles, no reaction labs, no moon harvesting, certain ores are missing. So right there at the base of the economy, hisec is not going to become Trammel. How can you ensure that hisec doesn't devolve into Trammel? Encourage CCP to move all industry into player hands. There should no longer be instant refining of unlimited volumes of materials. There should no longer be copious quantities of manufacturing lines available at NPC facilities.
The Trammel-isation of hisec is not going to happen. Your fears are unfounded. The platform of James 315 is based on untruths.
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