CCP produces the population charts. Its pretty clear to everyone but the head in the sand pvpers.

Lets get honest. What would happen to this game if High Sec would function like low sec?

Ill tell you what would happen, the game would die.

highsec should not function like lowsec. because if it did, it would be lowsec. highsec should function like a starting point for new players to get off their training wheels and not for EVERYONE to stay there indefinitely and suck on glaciers while watching porn.

I think he means the folks who are more risk averse then the dude flying missions all day in his faction fit machariel and as such need high sec for easy ganking and a '''lookatmakillboardoWnzorz'' approach of the game ... quite certain he means those people.

So, in other words, you dont like people playing in the sandbox differently that you.

There is a self entitled group in Eve, no doubt about that. Who that group is is very clear.

Kill one carebear: you're a griefer.
Kill a million carebears: you're a savior.
Kill them all: you're a god.

So, in other words, you dont like people playing in the sandbox differently that you.

There is a self entitled group in Eve, no doubt about that. Who that group is is very clear.

i haven't read a single post in this thread, should i be outraged at the carebears or at the evil gankers?

Like I said, CCP isnt stupid. They are not going to cow tow to a minority that wants to limit everyone into playing the game they way they benefits them the most.

Ask yourself this: How much does Eve really punish players now who can't be bothered to think and understand the game? How smart and on your toes do you actually have to be now to survive in the game and make progress?

What the **** does a cow with a trailer hitch have to do with CCP and how people play EVE?

I presume you are referring to the group who demand game mechanic changes that grant them immunity from everyone else in the sandbox.

The gank n bump brigade aren't asking CCP to change the way that others play, they are doing it themselves using the tools that CCP give them. The ones that are whining about the gank n bump brigade are asking CCP to change the way that others do, because they can't be arsed to do it themselves.

There's a big difference in entitlement there.

Here's the short and simple version.

People can play the game anyway the like, people are free to mine, mission run, grind anomalies, etc, what they are not free to do is complain when someone else decides to interfere with them by trying to engage them in PvP, if you don't like how others play, do something other than cry about it. If people want a truly risk free hisec the test server is that way ------->.

There is non consensual pvp in 100% of the game.

There are FAR more tears and calls for changes to the game now coming from gankers than miners. Far more.

Hell, the movement and this very thread wants to change the game.

can i get a tl;dr?

ftfy

ftfy



The difference is that they're not asking CCP to do the change, they're doing it themselves. Some players adapt to the game and environment, others expect the environment and game to change around them. Guess which one is better for the game as a whole?

So we should just get rid of high sec then.

There is non consensual pvp in over 70% of the game. If folks are all about the pvp why are they not flocking to these areas to engage in pvp, after all, thats why everyone is here, right?

False dichotomy.

This isn't even a non-sequiter, because it doesn't even form a coherent statement. Do you even understand what the words 'non consensual' mean?

Yes, they are asking CCP to change. Have you not read this very thread or the platform of John 315? Come on. You're not that dense.

Maybe we're going to get livestock trailers we can hitch to our ships? A place for all the Exotic Dancers, Janitors, Marines and Homeless we've been collecting.
Sounds good.

No. The pvp crazy pants crowd are the ones who have drawn a BS imagined line in the sand differentiating between the two making two groups "with us" and "against us".

Its all hogwash and most everyone falls into a middle ground mixing pvp with high sec activities.

You can dismiss the realities of taking away options and play styles will lead to less revenue all you want but thats a pretty simple and fundamental fact and reality. Each time you take away options the people who operated under those options will leave, at least a significant portion. Its not a myth.

The CSM platform of James 315 is deliberately extreme & controversial, he knows full well that CCP won't implement 99.9% of the things he's basing his platform on, it is designed to provoke a reaction.
In answer to your question, I've read the wall'o'text OP and I agree with it, I'm also well aware of what James 315 does, I've been involved in it for a few months now, even though I disagree with 90% of his CSM platform I'm in total agreement with what the New Order does.

Calling me dense does you no favours whatsoever and is bordering on getting personal, feel free to do so though because quite frankly, I don't give a damn about your opinion of me or my posting.

The false dichotomy is the argument that either you are only a pvper or only a carebear. Thats a conveineint line drawn in the sand by a certain vocal group.

There are FAR more tears and calls for changes to the game now coming from gankers than miners. Far more.

Hell, the movement and this very thread wants to change the game.

Yes, they are asking CCP to change. Have you not read this very thread or the platform of John 315? Come on. You're not that dense.

We have come to the point where "high sec activities" and "PVP" are two mutually exclusive categories. Your words say more then you know. What started as a game with gradiating degrees of risk and reward the further out you went has been reduced to a place where you do 'highsec activities' to get the ISK to PVP (in presumably non-highsec areas).


Of course it's a myth. CCP took away the "grind 140m an hour in highsec incursions' option - where did the thousands of incursion players leave to? Subs went up after Crucible and after a brief spike, went down after Incursion in its broken, risk-free form was released. Why would other advantages like 'wardec immunity for my farming alt' be any different? They aren't, the 'carebear dollar' myth is exactly that, a 'simple and fundamental fact' proven time and again.

the reality as high sec has been slowly morphed into what it is today and correlating that with the steady rise in subscriptions and where that population growth resides in the galaxy. The long term numbers say all that needs to be said.

Actually, the New Order hasn't done much in the way of asking CCP to change anything. The New Order has been making the change all on it's own. Miners begged CCP to stop the Order, CCP said deal with it. We're having fun making other people PLAY the game. If you think for one second that it's inexcusable for us to engage AFK ice miners using the mechanics that they have begged for over the years, I'm not sure what to tell you.

I don't see why everyone rushes to defend characters that the players can't even be assed enough to play but one click an hour, but the OP has given me hope in that some people can learn to read past the satire to see what's going on. As a new player, I can already see how easy it would be to fall into the silk prison of HighSec and never want to leave. Get horrified by the prospect of having to actually play the game, or be made aware that it's not a single player game.

Instead, people want to AFK mine ice with no tank, and cry when someone either bumps them out of mining range or kerplodes their mack.

"Oh noes, an Invincible Stabber bumped me 45 minutes ago and I just now noticed, CCP PLZ HALPS MY ISKS"