If you're taking a dump while mining, you are afk mining, afk means away from keyboard, sitting on the pan is away from keyboard

I suspect some that were griefed believe that if highsec becomes Trammel and dies, they couldn't care less and would be quite satisfied that their actions/words contributed to a reverse-gank towards their greifers.

For someone who hates this game after losing a ship, this is a win-win scenario.

Is this why you look so troubled, Jonah? The thought that someone, somewhere, is perched atop their mighty porcelain throne literally dropping bombs while their mining lasers happily buzz away in a room not-quite adjacent to the one said throne occupies? Is it the fact that this hypothetical miner, away from his keyboard, is unfairly earning space cash and depleting resources while not actually playing the game?

Truly, high-sec needs a savior if such acts are common.

lol, the worried look is constipation

...Aggression mechanics were much less punishing....This technique was used to bait players who didn't understand relative strengths of ships and combat mechanics into firing on you, which then awarded you the right to defend yourself....

....the criminal flagging system introduced with the latest CrimeWatch update was exactly the same thing Ultima Online did to aggression and thievery mechanics when they changed the notoriety system to be far less forgiving to criminals....Criminally flagging an aggressor makes him open to attack from everyone, providing a huge deterrent to aggressive behaviors without outright making them impossible. There are many examples of these kinds of nerfs to aggression in Eve's history....

This does seem probable after reading some of the posts in this thread

I suppose you have no troubles with being AFK, then.

I will be the first person to log onto a "Trammel" Eve.

If I understood your OP correctly, Trammel was more populated than the original. So players DIDN'T WANT RISK.

Well obviously some did because some of them left UO and invented a little thing called EVE Online.

And now you are saying they themselves should do exactly the same thing to EVE? UO wasn't enough? The countless mindless MMORPGs that have followed aren't enough? EVE has to be dragged down too?

This is the fundamental problem with you 'carebear types' - you want every game to suit you. Whereas the 'ganker types' want only one game for themselves - the game that was originally intended for them.

Well obviously some did because some of them left UO and invented a little thing called EVE Online.

And now you are saying they themselves should do exactly the same thing to EVE? UO wasn't enough? The countless mindless MMORPGs that have followed aren't enough? EVE has to be dragged down too?

This is the fundamental problem with you 'carebear types' - you want every game to suit you. Whereas the 'ganker types' want only one game for themselves - the game that was originally intended for them.

Then chase your accomplishment. Nothing is stopping you. Why do you get to dictate what is game and just entertainment to others? Maybe scanning down grav sites is personally rewarding, maybe beating some rivals in the station trading game is personally rewarding?

This is mostly an argument of folks looking through very narrow lenses at the situation. Whether that is intentional to manipulate the meta game in their favor or simply because some cant or wont see things through a broader views.

This is where most of you fall off the logic train.

CCP is not making decisions based off of "carebears crying in high sec" they base them of market data,polling, internal demographics all which point them in a development direction that helps them maintain and grow their revenue streams as a business.

Things change. This cycle and argument happens in ALL MMO's on the market.

If they game has grown steadily, and your arguments about the decline of the game because of the steady change to high sec are to be true then on the surface it seems like YOUR ideas and agenda are not necessarily in line with whats best for the growth of the game. Go figure eh?

*****Irony detected****

Well obviously some did because some of them left UO and invented a little thing called EVE Online.

And now you are saying they themselves should do exactly the same thing to EVE? UO wasn't enough? The countless mindless MMORPGs that have followed aren't enough? EVE has to be dragged down too?

This is the fundamental problem with you 'carebear types' - you want every game to suit you. Whereas the 'ganker types' want only one game for themselves - the game that was originally intended for them.

Dear God, the sheer amount of irony in this post is baffling!

So I'm not allowed to want the game to suit me, but it's perfectly fine to want the game to suit you?

Lick my nuts.

Hypocrisy is the word you are looking for. If you are going to mischaracterize my post, at least use the right word.

But, of course, there is nothing hypocritical (or ironic) about it, because nobody is justified in expecting a game aimed at other people to change to suit them, myself included.

To say otherwise is to say that you actually do expect every game made to cater to you.

Dear God, the sheer amount of irony in this post is baffling!

So I'm not allowed to want the game to suit me, but it's perfectly fine to want the game to suit you?

Lick my nuts.

Hypocrisy is the word you are looking for. If you are going to mischaracterize my post, at least use the right word.

But, of course, there is nothing hypocritical (or ironic) about it, because nobody is justified in expecting a game aimed at other people to change to suit them, myself included.

To say otherwise is to say that you actually do expect every game made to cater to you.

But CCP does cater to me. They try to figure out what will be fun for me. The game isn't an immaculate entity divorced from player opinion.

Its CCP's game. They changed things because they feel its best for the game not because some bear cried on the forums. Are those bears not targeted by CCP then by your very own words shouldnt they have their playstyle, at the very least, kept at level that they were at when they started playing?

some of these low and null sec types need to HTFU!!!!

But CCP does cater to me. They try to figure out what will be fun for me. The game isn't an immaculate entity divorced from player opinion.

Fortunately there is now a one word answer to any implication that CCP has the absolute and final word on what is best for the game: Incarna. As for not listening to whines, I guess that it's just through coincidence that they keep answering them then?

With regard to the carebear playstyle, if you mean putting it back to the level it was at in the past (and then hopefully moving focus on to fixing lowsec/0.0), sure, why not? I wouldn't seriously advocate for the removal of highsec or something extreme like that because, as you say, EVE was always intended to have some level of carebearing.

I don't think anyone disagrees with that.

If catering to you involves corrupting what makes this game unique to provide you with something you can get elsewhere, they shouldn't. That's rather the point of this entire thread.

If catering to you involves corrupting what makes this game unique to provide you with something you can get elsewhere, they shouldn't. That's rather the point of this entire thread.

What I cant stand is the mouth breathers that dont realize the motivations for some of the more prominent CEO's a directors of null coprs and alliances and why they attack High Sec. Many latch onto the theme and scream "HTFU" "carebear" "Eve is doomed" like the good little sheeple they are. They are pawns being played by a select few to tilt the game in the favor of their huge blue, carebear empires in null sec.

EvE is a game of the good guys versus the bad guys, however who is good and bad is a matter of perspective. What I find appealing might seem corrupt to you and vice a versa.

What I cant stand is the mouth breathers that dont realize the motivations for some of the more prominent CEO's a directors of null coprs and alliances and why they attack High Sec. Many latch onto the theme and scream "HTFU" "carebear" "Eve is doomed" like the good little sheeple they are. They are pawns being played by a select few to tilt the game in the favor of their huge blue, carebear empires in null sec.

No one wants that.

But to balance EVE, we need to nerf high-sec while buffing low- and null-sec. Then we'll have a proper balance of risk vs. reward.

No one wants that.

But to balance EVE, we need to nerf high-sec while buffing low- and null-sec. Then we'll have a proper balance of risk vs. reward.

You're truing to " tilt the game in the favor of their huge blue, carebear empires in null sec."

HTFU carebear Eve is doomed