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Hefty TheFirst
Wormhole Industries Conglomerate
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Posted - 2013.03.03 17:55:00 -
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Hi,
So I have come to like more "mature" MMOS and eve struck me as one of the best. I started playing 2 months ago and just lost all the friends I brought into eve.
This game is simply way too punishing for new players. Just to be slightly effective it takes about 1.5 years of training. Then you have some of the basics and can still not do anything special. My first month of eve was great... But it was all just theoretical fun. All I did was plan stuff and study about the game and it's mechanics. So I brought 4 of my friends in which all payed for 1 month + trial. They loved the first month of eve and into the seconds month they all saw just how truly pathetic they were in terms of SP. Everything they wanted to do was years of training away. I was going to quit as well until I heard of the character bazaar. So I dropped a huge load of $ to buy a pilot that could actually play the game.
I am sure the long SP training ques are CCP's way of "milking" $ out of us. Which proves a point to me. Every one that I have spoken to that plays eve has at least 1-4 alts. So that in itself proves how low the game population actually is. Now this isn't a troll or whining thread. If CCP truly wanted to make more $ something needs to be done about SP. The longer the game progresses the more useless new players become. Could you imagine starting to play WOW right now and have to grind through all of those expansions just to start playing the game at 90... Then the game only starts right?
So this is as constructive as a new player can get. I am not mad in any way. I actually want to help eve grow, that's the whole reason of this thread. I want to know if anything is being done about the huge SP brick wall. From what I am seeing the summer change is making it even harder for new players. Battle cruisers were a huge win for new players as it didn't take too long to fly them and now it's even taking that small win away from new players.
So all I am asking is what is being done about this huge problem EVE faces? Who can I talk to about this to make it apparent? This game is truly great but how does any new player have a chance at experiencing that greatness? I truly want to see this game grow so help talk to the right people. If I could talk to the right people I could really guarantee new players sticking around instead of getting discouraged and quitting.
Regards: Hefty |
Debra Tao
Perkone Caldari State
63
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Posted - 2013.03.03 18:07:00 -
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I think you raise an important issue... all i did during my forst couple of month was earning isk through all possible means to afford a character at the bazar.
I have thought about the issue but i don't see any solution to the problem because on the other hand SP are a huge part of the gameplay and it requires planning and patience to build a good character, i like that aspect. |
Hefty TheFirst
Wormhole Industries Conglomerate
0
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Posted - 2013.03.03 18:16:00 -
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It is a great aspect you are right there. But it has been grocely expanded.
Out of 5 people in my experience 4 quit. That's a really bad number. I love this game but few people are going to drop big $ to buy a pilot in the bazaar.
This has to be the biggest issue in the game right now. If dealt with the game could MASSIVELY expand... Once more if you misread MASSIVELY expand.
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Admiral Adamsgate
V.E.X.T.
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Posted - 2013.03.03 18:27:00 -
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Total Bull, skillpoints mean nothing. Knowledge and the friends you make is how to succeed in EVE. |
Hefty TheFirst
Wormhole Industries Conglomerate
0
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Posted - 2013.03.03 18:57:00 -
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Admiral Adamsgate wrote:Total Bull, skillpoints mean nothing. Knowledge and the friends you make is how to succeed in EVE.
Really?
Lets analyze what you just said. Friends mean everything. All of mine quit.
Skill points mean nothing. The reason why my friends quit.
Knowledge means everything. I have knowledge of things I want to do. How far away am I to do them? 1-2 years away. Wait that long? Never...
Please this is a "mature" discussion. Troll posts like that make you look really stupid.
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Orlacc
276
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Posted - 2013.03.03 19:02:00 -
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Eve has more subs than ever.
Unlike some folks here I will not try and convince you to stay. It just sounds like EVE is not the game for you. Go play with your friends. |
Inkarr Hashur
Sacrificial Lambs The Devil's Warrior Alliance
214
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Posted - 2013.03.03 19:07:00 -
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Hefty TheFirst wrote: Just to be slightly effective it takes about 1.5 years of training.
This isn't even remotely true. |
Inkarr Hashur
Sacrificial Lambs The Devil's Warrior Alliance
214
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Posted - 2013.03.03 19:10:00 -
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Hefty TheFirst wrote:Admiral Adamsgate wrote:Total Bull, skillpoints mean nothing. Knowledge and the friends you make is how to succeed in EVE. Really? Lets analyze what you just said. Friends mean everything. All of mine quit. Skill points mean nothing. The reason why my friends quit. Knowledge means everything. I have knowledge of things I want to do. How far away am I to do them? 1-2 years away. Wait that long? Never... Please this is a "mature" discussion. Troll posts like that make you look really stupid.
I'm willing to bet your friends quit because the combat system is lacking. In half a year you can be flying dessies and T2 frigs highly effectively, or have rushed T1 battlecruisers and flying them at rank V with appropriate weapons skills. Or have rushed BSs and flying them well enough to be doing lv 4 missions solo.
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Hefty TheFirst
Wormhole Industries Conglomerate
0
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Posted - 2013.03.03 19:22:00 -
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To get the core skills to an OK-ish level takes about 1.5 years. That's like STANDARD level certs.
Also "subs are at an all time high". You mean everyone has like 1-5 alts. Speak to some miners and find out how many alts they have...
I would estimate 30-50% of subs are unique players. Also the whole reason why people have alts is to train different skill paths. This is the only game I have ever come across that people have this many alts. I mean CCP promotes it. "start your sidekick".
Also you aren't getting the jest of this post. I only had three real questions in my post. You answered non of them. I just assume you are really young and can't understand or fathom discussions. Thanx for the free bump though :D |
Hefty TheFirst
Wormhole Industries Conglomerate
0
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Posted - 2013.03.03 19:25:00 -
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Inkarr Hashur wrote:Hefty TheFirst wrote:Admiral Adamsgate wrote:Total Bull, skillpoints mean nothing. Knowledge and the friends you make is how to succeed in EVE. Really? Lets analyze what you just said. Friends mean everything. All of mine quit. Skill points mean nothing. The reason why my friends quit. Knowledge means everything. I have knowledge of things I want to do. How far away am I to do them? 1-2 years away. Wait that long? Never... Please this is a "mature" discussion. Troll posts like that make you look really stupid. I'm willing to bet your friends quit because the combat system is lacking. In half a year you can be flying dessies and T2 frigs highly effectively, or have rushed T1 battlecruisers and flying them at rank V with appropriate weapons skills. Or have rushed BSs and flying them well enough to be doing lv 4 missions solo.
I will repeat... I only have three real questions and you answered non of them.
Also face it dessies are nothing but cute. T2 frigs are for pvp which cost isk new players probably won't have.
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Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
128
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Posted - 2013.03.03 19:36:00 -
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The first thing I'd have to ask is simply...
What goals are you looking at which require 1-2 years of training?
In terms of straightforward goals the only ones I can think of in that range would be the high-end of capital ships - I might suggest these to be end-game content (though end-game is a little bit of a flexible term). You don't want the end-game content immediately, it would be boring.
The journey is important, quiting because you can't get a Titan on day 2 misses the point of that.
SP is a visible measure of what you're capable of, of course, but it's a deceptive one. A pilot with half a million of the right SP and the knowledge and resources to leverage it properly is far better off than one with 100 million of the wrong SP, the wrong ship, the wrong situation...
And there is no lower limit on the number of SP it takes to have fun - I know several pilots who were pirating lowsec, ratting null or engaging in fleet battles with less than a million SPs, in some cases created specifically to minimise their clone costs... |
Inkarr Hashur
Sacrificial Lambs The Devil's Warrior Alliance
214
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Posted - 2013.03.03 19:40:00 -
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Hefty TheFirst wrote:Inkarr Hashur wrote:Hefty TheFirst wrote:Admiral Adamsgate wrote:Total Bull, skillpoints mean nothing. Knowledge and the friends you make is how to succeed in EVE. Really? Lets analyze what you just said. Friends mean everything. All of mine quit. Skill points mean nothing. The reason why my friends quit. Knowledge means everything. I have knowledge of things I want to do. How far away am I to do them? 1-2 years away. Wait that long? Never... Please this is a "mature" discussion. Troll posts like that make you look really stupid. I'm willing to bet your friends quit because the combat system is lacking. In half a year you can be flying dessies and T2 frigs highly effectively, or have rushed T1 battlecruisers and flying them at rank V with appropriate weapons skills. Or have rushed BSs and flying them well enough to be doing lv 4 missions solo. I will repeat... I only have three real questions and you answered non of them. Also face it dessies are nothing but cute. T2 frigs are for pvp which cost isk new players probably won't have.
You know the secret to a new player making isk hand over fist? Double wrap a unit of trit, autopilot with it around EVE in a free frigate looking like you're an idiot with a PLEX, then sell the resulting killrights when you get popped for 5 to 10M. Takes like 15 minutes for someone to bite the bait.
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Hefty TheFirst
Wormhole Industries Conglomerate
0
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Posted - 2013.03.03 20:08:00 -
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Jacob Holland wrote:The first thing I'd have to ask is simply...
What goals are you looking at which require 1-2 years of training?
In terms of straightforward goals the only ones I can think of in that range would be the high-end of capital ships - I might suggest these to be end-game content (though end-game is a little bit of a flexible term). You don't want the end-game content immediately, it would be boring.
The journey is important, quiting because you can't get a Titan on day 2 misses the point of that.
SP is a visible measure of what you're capable of, of course, but it's a deceptive one. A pilot with half a million of the right SP and the knowledge and resources to leverage it properly is far better off than one with 100 million of the wrong SP, the wrong ship, the wrong situation...
And there is no lower limit on the number of SP it takes to have fun - I know several pilots who were pirating lowsec, ratting null or engaging in fleet battles with less than a million SPs, in some cases created specifically to minimise their clone costs...
I am somewhat impressed that you were able to answer some of the questions.
1-2 years of training would put you into a capital ship yes. Core skills? NO. Now go ask some one that has a capital ship. They will say it's suicide.
Now I can see your angle but I nowhere near stated that I'm butthurt because I can't fly a Titan. Half a million vs 100m that was funny... Really funny. There you are talking about some who knows the game in and out. Probably an alt flying with the 500k SP. So the main account is the real player not the 500k SP.
Also this post is for NEW PLAYERS AND WHY MOST OF THEM QUIT SO EARLY. Pirating in lowsec to minimise clone cost with low SP. That isn't even a sentence. If you can't afford your clone cost you are doing something very wrong with all that "A pilot with half a million of the right SP and the knowledge and resources to leverage it properly is far better off than one with 100 million of the wrong SP, the wrong ship, the wrong situation...".
You look incredibly stupid right now. I don't even really want to post this reply but you asked for it. |
Debra Tao
Perkone Caldari State
63
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Posted - 2013.03.03 20:08:00 -
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That's like the most random way to make isk ever ...
Back on the topic a reasonnable timeframe for "doing things" in EVE would be like 3-6 months and after a couple of year you should be able to do whatever you want if your training is focused enough. I don't like the fact that players almost need to have multiple accounts (i am not talking about supers or Titan pilot but rather the hauling/trader/logi... alt) but that's one downside or a great system. |
Debra Tao
Perkone Caldari State
63
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Posted - 2013.03.03 20:11:00 -
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Hefty TheFirst wrote: I am somewhat impressed that you were able to answer some of the questions.
1-2 years of training would put you into a capital ship yes. Core skills? NO.
Hefty TheFirst wrote:
Also this post is for NEW PLAYERS AND WHY MOST OF THEM QUIT SO EARLY.
Hefty TheFirst wrote: You look incredibly stupid right now. I don't even really want to post this reply but you asked for it.
Hey ! How about you try to not sound like a child when you reply ? kk thx. |
Hefty TheFirst
Wormhole Industries Conglomerate
0
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Posted - 2013.03.03 20:13:00 -
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Inkarr Hashur wrote:Hefty TheFirst wrote:Inkarr Hashur wrote:Hefty TheFirst wrote:Admiral Adamsgate wrote:Total Bull, skillpoints mean nothing. Knowledge and the friends you make is how to succeed in EVE. Really? Lets analyze what you just said. Friends mean everything. All of mine quit. Skill points mean nothing. The reason why my friends quit. Knowledge means everything. I have knowledge of things I want to do. How far away am I to do them? 1-2 years away. Wait that long? Never... Please this is a "mature" discussion. Troll posts like that make you look really stupid. I'm willing to bet your friends quit because the combat system is lacking. In half a year you can be flying dessies and T2 frigs highly effectively, or have rushed T1 battlecruisers and flying them at rank V with appropriate weapons skills. Or have rushed BSs and flying them well enough to be doing lv 4 missions solo. I will repeat... I only have three real questions and you answered non of them. Also face it dessies are nothing but cute. T2 frigs are for pvp which cost isk new players probably won't have. You know the secret to a new player making isk hand over fist? Double wrap a unit of trit, autopilot with it around EVE in a free frigate looking like you're an idiot with a PLEX, then sell the resulting killrights when you get popped for 5 to 10M. Takes like 15 minutes for someone to bite the bait.
THIS POST IS FOR NEW PLAYERS AND WHY MOST OF THEM QUIT SO EARLY. Not wrapping your tritanium inside of a package. I didn't even know looney bins give access to the internet for their retards, clearly I was wrong with my assumption.
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Debra Tao
Perkone Caldari State
63
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Posted - 2013.03.03 20:21:00 -
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Oh look someone mad on the internet. |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
209
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Posted - 2013.03.03 20:21:00 -
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Hefty TheFirst wrote:To get the core skills to an OK-ish level takes about 1.5 years. That's like STANDARD level certs.
To take all 6 of the core certs to standard takes a brand new character (with no skill remaps or implants) less than 2 months (54 days, 5 hours to be precise).
What goal do you have that requires 1-2 years to get started on?
I've been playing roughly 10 months (you can check my employment history if you want), I can fly battlecruisers, cruisers, destroyers and T2 frigates, I can go on lowsec roams, I can do highsec and lowsec exploration if I want, I can make just about anything except T3 cruisers and supercapitals and I have a lot of fun doing all of those things. In a year I'll be better at all of them for sure and probably be doing other things too, but I can do them all now and I've been doing most of them for the last 6 months.
The problem, IMHO isn't needing 2 or more years of skills, it's people who think they need 2 of more years worth of skills to have fun. |
Hefty TheFirst
Wormhole Industries Conglomerate
0
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Posted - 2013.03.03 20:24:00 -
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Am I speaking the wrong language? This is a serious discussion sidetracked by trolls.
So all I am asking is what is being done about this huge problem EVE faces? Who can I talk to about this to make it apparent? This game is truly great but how does any new player have a chance at experiencing that greatness?
Three simple questions. Zero answers... Will Hefty prevail in finding the answers on the broken internet!? Find out on the next post. /commence epic outro! |
Inkarr Hashur
Sacrificial Lambs The Devil's Warrior Alliance
214
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Posted - 2013.03.03 20:26:00 -
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It takes 8M to max out core skills to V, and I'm being very generous by throwing armor and shield tanking skills into the same mapping. Most rational people don't take these skills to V until after they are flying the ships they like a lot, and have been playing half a year to a year. Taking these skills to IV is 2.4 M SP |
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Inkarr Hashur
Sacrificial Lambs The Devil's Warrior Alliance
214
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Posted - 2013.03.03 20:28:00 -
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Debra Tao wrote:Hefty TheFirst wrote: I am somewhat impressed that you were able to answer some of the questions.
1-2 years of training would put you into a capital ship yes. Core skills? NO.
Hefty TheFirst wrote:
Also this post is for NEW PLAYERS AND WHY MOST OF THEM QUIT SO EARLY.
Hefty TheFirst wrote: You look incredibly stupid right now. I don't even really want to post this reply but you asked for it.
Hey ! How about you try to not sound like a child when you reply ? kk thx.
Report and hide his posts in the future I guess. This guy's completely irrational. |
Hefty TheFirst
Wormhole Industries Conglomerate
0
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Posted - 2013.03.03 20:38:00 -
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Elena Thiesant wrote:Hefty TheFirst wrote:To get the core skills to an OK-ish level takes about 1.5 years. That's like STANDARD level certs. To take all 6 of the core certs to standard takes a brand new character (with no skill remaps or implants) less than 2 months (54 days, 5 hours to be precise). What goal do you have that requires 1-2 years to get started on? I've been playing roughly 10 months (you can check my employment history if you want), I can fly battlecruisers, cruisers, destroyers and T2 frigates, I can go on lowsec roams, I can do highsec and lowsec exploration if I want, I can make just about anything except T3 cruisers and supercapitals and I have a lot of fun doing all of those things. In a year I'll be better at all of them for sure and probably be doing other things too, but I can do them all now and I've been doing most of them for the last 6 months. The problem, IMHO isn't needing 2 or more years of skills, it's people who think they need 2 of more years worth of skills to have fun.
You didn't answer any of the questions but getting core skills to "standard" core skills as in all the skills needed to fly a ship not core on the cert tab takes longer than 2 years. Go add all of the skills in evemon or which ever tool you want to use. It's way over 2 years. Those are just STANDARD skills. Yes you can fly all of those and you are approaching the year mark. The worst is behind you. There is a light at the end of your tunnel. I'm sure 9/10 people don't even get there. I am here to discuss why so many people don't get there.
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Hefty TheFirst
Wormhole Industries Conglomerate
0
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Posted - 2013.03.03 20:42:00 -
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Debra Tao wrote:Oh look someone mad on the internet.
Using caps to get people onto the post subject isn't me getting mad. It's helping blind nerds get onto the subject. But clearly the internet is to broken to discuss a simple matter. That is why I clearly stated who can I speak to in one of my questions. |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
1023
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:02:00 -
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Hefty TheFirst wrote:Am I speaking the wrong language? This is a serious discussion sidetracked by trolls.
No, it isn't. It never was. You never made a case and you're just trying to yell louder rather than have an honest conversation based in reality.
Hefty TheFirst wrote:So all I am asking is what is being done about this huge problem EVE faces?
What problem? You've described a situation based on personal anecdote and made-up statistics and decided you have a universal, problematic situation. Make a better case for there being a problem and maybe someone will help you figure it out.
Hefty TheFirst wrote:Who can I talk to about this to make it apparent?
Not yourself, which is what this thread has been so far. Try engaging with your critics rather than yelling over their heads.
Hefty TheFirst wrote:This game is truly great but how does any new player have a chance at experiencing that greatness?
By, I don't know, playing it? Same as we all did.
When I started six years ago I thought I'd never catch up and be able to fly T2 ships like all those nasty pirates out to get me in low sec. But it turns out, there are only five levels of each skill and once you have them, you're maxed out. And I caught up. And so can anyone else.
Hefty TheFirst wrote:Will Hefty prevail in finding the answers on the broken internet!?
Maybe it's not the internet that's broken? |
Debra Tao
Perkone Caldari State
63
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:13:00 -
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Hefty TheFirst wrote: So all I am asking is what is being done about this huge problem EVE faces?
Like Zhilia has explained i am not sure that this is a problem in the first place. You can have fun after a couple of weeks and be effective in fleet, lire really useful, after roughly one month.
Hefty TheFirst wrote: Who can I talk to about this to make it apparent?
There is a Features&Ideas discussion on this forum, if you have a specific suggestion in mind go ahead and post there. Apart from that i am not really sure what you are expecting... you are not a game designer, you don't have access to the same data CCP has so you are, like me, totally incompetent to even say that this is "a huge problem".
Hefty TheFirst wrote: This game is truly great but how does any new player have a chance at experiencing that greatness?
I think the best course of action for a new player is to join a group of player that will take him on fleets and teach him how to play the game. Eve university is probably a great corporation, several alliances in nullsec are also willing to take newbies and teach them. |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
209
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:13:00 -
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Hefty TheFirst wrote:You didn't answer any of the questions but getting core skills to "standard" core skills as in all the skills needed to fly a ship not core on the cert tab takes longer than 2 years.
What ship? All the skills needed and recommended to fly a frigate to V will not take 2 years. All the skills to fly every single ship in the game, yeah that'll take a while. That's a long term goal that you can work on in time, it's not something you need to do to play.
Let's see... Caldari frigate Merlin, all required skills and recommended certificates total at under 5 days. Minmatar destroyer Thrasher, all required skills and recommended certificates total at just over 6 days Gallente cruiser Thorax all required skills and recommended certificates total at a little over 10 days Amarr battlecruiser Prophecy, all required skills and recommended certificates total at 75 days. Getting large, but haven't hit 6 months yet. Caldari battleship Raven, all required skills and recommended certificates total at about 80 days, though you probably want more skills than that to fly a battleship
Again, what is your goal that you need to wait 1-2 years to *start*? You're avoiding that question.
Quote:Yes you can fly all of those and you are approaching the year mark. The worst is behind you.
The worst? Light at the end of the tunnel? What tunnel? I've had fun the whole way through that year.
So I can't fly a battleship perfectly yet, point is, I don't need to, there's nothing that compels me to fly a battleship, nothing where it's 'fly a battleship or log off' (and to be honest I prefer smaller ships at the moment)
What you and probably your friends seem to be missing is that there's no skill requirement for fun. You can play and have fun from the first minute, as long as you don't get stuck in the mentality of 'I have to have 50 million skill points to undock' |
Debra Tao
Perkone Caldari State
63
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:19:00 -
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Elena Thiesant wrote:I have to have 50 million skill points to undock
That seems risky, better wait to up that Acceleration Control skill. It can make the difference.
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Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
209
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:21:00 -
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Debra Tao wrote:Elena Thiesant wrote:I have to have 50 million skill points to undock That seems risky, better wait to up that Acceleration Control skill. It can make the difference.
I know, I know, and that extra 5% hull hp might make all the difference with that nasty piwate waiting outside the station. |
Paindeer
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:24:00 -
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Hefty TheFirst wrote:Am I speaking the wrong language? No.
Hefty TheFirst wrote:So all I am asking is what is being done about this huge problem EVE faces? What you're talking about is not a huge problem.
Hefty TheFirst wrote:Who can I talk to about this to make it apparent? This is the place to talk about it.
Hefty TheFirst wrote:but how does any new player have a chance at experiencing that greatness? By playing the game.
In school, I made a friend that was into gaming, much like myself. And there was a game that he could literally speak about for hours. EvE Online. He spoke of giant ships, epic battles, modules and heists. He was so enthusiastic and there was just a glow of passion in his eyes whenever he spoke of it. I had never even heard of this crazy space-game before, so I decided to try it out.
I bought it on my third day of trial.
Within the first month I had decided what I was going to do to fund my playing, and decided a semi-long term goal, that I reached after about 8 months of play and a long term one, that I've still to reach. But oh, the satisfaction of setting a goal, work hard for it, and reach it. It was something I had never felt in a game ever before. Can't wait for the day that I'm going to reach my second goal (I'm about a fifteen months away)..
It'll be magnificent.
Hefty TheFirst wrote:I have come to like more "mature" MMOS and eve struck me as one of the best.
THIS is was maturity is.
WORKING for what you want. Having PATIENCE and realizing that there are LOADS and LOADS of fun things to do, while you wait for that long-term goal. The very fact that glorious things take a long time to accomplish means they'll be so much more rewarding! If CCP were to dumb it down to the level you want it, then those glorious things would mean nothing! It'd not be glorious!
It'd be boring!
It is NOT a huge problem that newbs are newbs when they are new to EvE Online. If they find something they want to do, and are willing to work for it, there is no problem! There is only a problem if they find something want to do, but can't be arsed to work for it! THAT is the problem. NOT the game! This answers the second and fourth question quoted in this post. |
Hefty TheFirst
Wormhole Industries Conglomerate
0
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:26:00 -
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Zhilia Mann wrote:Hefty TheFirst wrote:Am I speaking the wrong language? This is a serious discussion sidetracked by trolls. No, it isn't. It never was. You never made a case and you're just trying to yell louder rather than have an honest conversation based in reality. Hefty TheFirst wrote:So all I am asking is what is being done about this huge problem EVE faces? What problem? You've described a situation based on personal anecdote and made-up statistics and decided you have a universal, problematic situation. Make a better case for there being a problem and maybe someone will help you figure it out. Who can I talk to about this to make it apparent? Not yourself, which is what this thread has been so far. Try engaging with your critics rather than yelling over their heads. Hefty TheFirst wrote:This game is truly great but how does any new player have a chance at experiencing that greatness? By, I don't know, playing it? Same as we all did. When I started six years ago I thought I'd never catch up and be able to fly T2 ships like all those nasty pirates out to get me in low sec. But it turns out, there are only five levels of each skill and once you have them, you're maxed out. And I caught up. And so can anyone else. Hefty TheFirst wrote:Will Hefty prevail in finding the answers on the broken internet!? Maybe it's not the internet that's broken?
You never answered any of my questions. All I see is character assassination.
If my statistics are so off. In my group we are 5. 4 have left eve on account of the SP wall. I would have left but paid $ so that I wouldn't have to wait 1.5 years to play the game. Now I play the game and love it. I just wish my friends could see what there is in the game. But the not so special stuff that I am doing such as WH's in example are too far away for them to wait and train.
So lets look at other stats since mine are "made up". Go over to twitch.tv There are people who hand out 21 day trials. Very few of the people sub past the second month. Why is that? Well they discus it and it's always the same reason. Can we guess what it is folks? Thank you for your energy it's a nice bump.
Hopefully soon my evil plans to take over the internet will get CCP attention and they can pay me off for their safety :D
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