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Debra Tao
Perkone Caldari State
63
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:28:00 -
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Hefty TheFirst wrote: Go over to twitch.tv There are people who hand out 21 day trials. Very few of the people sub past the second month.
Where can we see that stat ? Sounds more solid than a ****** statistic over a 5 persons sample. |
Hefty TheFirst
Wormhole Industries Conglomerate
0
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:30:00 -
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Debra Tao wrote:Hefty TheFirst wrote: So all I am asking is what is being done about this huge problem EVE faces?
Like Zhilia has explained i am not sure that this is a problem in the first place. You can have fun after a couple of weeks and be effective in fleet, lire really useful, after roughly one month. Hefty TheFirst wrote: Who can I talk to about this to make it apparent?
There is a Features&Ideas discussion on this forum, if you have a specific suggestion in mind go ahead and post there. Apart from that i am not really sure what you are expecting... you are not a game designer, you don't have access to the same data CCP has so you are, like me, totally incompetent to even say that this is "a huge problem". Hefty TheFirst wrote: This game is truly great but how does any new player have a chance at experiencing that greatness?
I think the best course of action for a new player is to join a group of player that will take him on fleets and teach him how to play the game. Eve university is probably a great corporation, several alliances in nullsec are also willing to take newbies and teach them.
I am not a game designer? Hehehe that's exactly what I am. If you knew who I really was you'd actually help.
But you and your kids already help me <3 |
Frank Millar
116
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:31:00 -
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Epic troll.
Would read again.
If I had nothing better to do.
Like training skills.
I think, in maybe 3 years time, I'll be able to finally play this game.
Happy times are upon us.
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Debra Tao
Perkone Caldari State
63
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:32:00 -
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Hefty TheFirst wrote: I am not a game designer? Hehehe that's exactly what I am. If you knew who I really was you'd actually help.
They totally need advice from random people that do statistic over a 5 people sample. It's not like their game is successful, after all EVE is dying (2 friends told me that, so that's like 100% sure). |
Inkarr Hashur
Sacrificial Lambs The Devil's Warrior Alliance
215
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:32:00 -
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Hefty TheFirst wrote:Debra Tao wrote:Hefty TheFirst wrote: So all I am asking is what is being done about this huge problem EVE faces?
Like Zhilia has explained i am not sure that this is a problem in the first place. You can have fun after a couple of weeks and be effective in fleet, lire really useful, after roughly one month. Hefty TheFirst wrote: Who can I talk to about this to make it apparent?
There is a Features&Ideas discussion on this forum, if you have a specific suggestion in mind go ahead and post there. Apart from that i am not really sure what you are expecting... you are not a game designer, you don't have access to the same data CCP has so you are, like me, totally incompetent to even say that this is "a huge problem". Hefty TheFirst wrote: This game is truly great but how does any new player have a chance at experiencing that greatness?
I think the best course of action for a new player is to join a group of player that will take him on fleets and teach him how to play the game. Eve university is probably a great corporation, several alliances in nullsec are also willing to take newbies and teach them. I am not a game designer? Hehehe that's exactly what I am. If you knew who I really was you'd actually help. But you and your kids already help me <3 Btw r u a girl? ;) <3
Btw I'mma grill ;P
This thread needs serious locking.
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Hefty TheFirst
Wormhole Industries Conglomerate
0
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:44:00 -
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Elena Thiesant wrote:Hefty TheFirst wrote:You didn't answer any of the questions but getting core skills to "standard" core skills as in all the skills needed to fly a ship not core on the cert tab takes longer than 2 years. What ship? All the skills needed and recommended to fly a frigate to V will not take 2 years. All the skills to fly every single ship in the game, yeah that'll take a while. That's a long term goal that you can work on in time, it's not something you need to do to play. Let's see... Caldari frigate Merlin, all required skills and recommended certificates total at under 5 days. Minmatar destroyer Thrasher, all required skills and recommended certificates total at just over 6 days Gallente cruiser Thorax all required skills and recommended certificates total at a little over 10 days Amarr battlecruiser Prophecy, all required skills and recommended certificates total at 75 days. Getting large, but haven't hit 6 months yet. Caldari battleship Raven, all required skills and recommended certificates total at about 80 days, though you probably want more skills than that to fly a battleship Again, what is your goal that you need to wait 1-2 years to *start*? You're avoiding that question. Quote:Yes you can fly all of those and you are approaching the year mark. The worst is behind you. The worst? Light at the end of the tunnel? What tunnel? I've had fun the whole way through that year. So I can't fly a battleship perfectly yet, point is, I don't need to, there's nothing that compels me to fly a battleship, nothing where it's 'fly a battleship or log off' (and to be honest I prefer smaller ships at the moment) What you and probably your friends seem to be missing is that there's no skill requirement for fun. You can play and have fun from the first minute, as long as you don't get stuck in the mentality of 'I have to have 50 million skill points to undock'
Again character assassination and avoiding the actual post discussion.
The pilot I bought is over 2 years old with just missile and projectile skills. So for 2 years of training I can now fly Min BS and Tengu with less than standard skills. Now keep in mind this toon was carefully planned for just those 2 roles. Only 2 roles I can do effectively after 2 years of training. It would be much better if after 2 years of playing the game I could do better than that.
You need to turn off all your main accounts and see just what I am talking about from a new player perspective. Not my point of view not your point of view. Make a trial account. Forget about the contacts you have made over the long periods of time that you have been playing. With no help from anyone like a normal new player will be exposed too, go see just how useless you truely are in the first few months to a year of eve. Who would ever want to feel that way... All I am saying is the SP wall just keeps getting bigger and something needs to be done. A discussion of some sorts. |
Debra Tao
Perkone Caldari State
65
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:51:00 -
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http://eveboard.com/pilot/Peter_Pacis
This pilot (the one you bought) may be two years old but he has only one year of training, i bought myself a much better pilot for a lot less isk. Also wanting to fly both Tengu and a faction BS with only 20mil SP (Mach requires cross training btw) is really ********. |
Hefty TheFirst
Wormhole Industries Conglomerate
0
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:58:00 -
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Paindeer wrote:Hefty TheFirst wrote:Am I speaking the wrong language? No. Hefty TheFirst]So all I am asking is what is being done about this huge problem EVE faces? What you're talking about is not a huge problem. Hefty TheFirst wrote:Who can I talk to about this to make it apparent? This is the place to talk about it. Hefty TheFirst wrote:but how does any new player have a chance at experiencing that greatness? By playing the game. In school, I made a friend that was into gaming, much like myself. And there was a game that he could literally speak about for hours. EvE Online. He spoke of giant ships, epic battles, modules and heists. He was so enthusiastic and there was just a glow of passion in his eyes whenever he spoke of it. I had never even heard of this crazy space-game before, so I decided to try it out. I bought it on my third day of trial. Within the first month I had decided what I was going to do to fund my playing, and decided a semi-long term goal, that I reached after about 8 months of play and a long term one, that I've still to reach. But oh, the satisfaction of setting a goal, work hard for it, and reach it. It was something I had never felt in a game ever before. Can't wait for the day that I'm going to reach my second goal (I'm about a fifteen months away).. It'll be magnificent. Hefty TheFirst wrote:I have come to like more "mature" MMOS and eve struck me as one of the best. THIS is was maturity is. WORKING for what you want. Having PATIENCE and realizing that there are LOADS and LOADS of fun things to do, while you wait for that long-term goal. The very fact that glorious things take a long time to accomplish means they'll be so much more rewarding! If CCP were to dumb it down to the level you want it, then those glorious things would mean nothing! It'd not be glorious! It'd be boring! It is NOT a huge problem that newbs are newbs when they are new to EvE Online. If they find something they want to do, and are willing to work for it, there is no problem! There is only a problem if they find something want to do, but can't be arsed to work for it! THAT is the problem. NOT the game! This answers the second and fourth question quoted in this post.
You had some one with great eve experience guide you through eve. Very few new players can say that. "THIS is was maturity is." Sorry I don't speak Walmart.
I am that dedicated player you speak of. The second day of my trial account I accidentally found a WH and inside of that WH I found 2 mag sites with no sleepers. I analyzed the cans and opened them. Went to the second site I found and did the same. Didn't even know what I just did was virtually impossible. I have never heard of that happen. Made 170M from those 2 sites on my second day of playing eve with no one helping me. I cannot describe to you just how intense that was for me and wanted my friends to join me. But now they are gone. All completely different from each other all quit for the same reason. I even spoke to them individually to make sure my data on why they quit wasn't group based.
Thanx for your time and it's great that you defend the game. But still not seeing this from a new players perspective that doesn't have the help we did. |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
210
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:59:00 -
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Hefty TheFirst wrote:Make a trial account. Forget about the contacts you have made over the long periods of time that you have been playing. With no help from anyone like a normal new player will be exposed too, go see just how useless you truely are in the first few months to a year of eve..
*Looks at less than year old main character*. Nope, not feeling useless today. Didn't feel useless in the first week I played (and yes, I do remember that, it wasn't that long ago), didn't feel useless in the first month either. A month old character is far from useless unless the player's convinced they can't do anything without a year of training.
And no, go back and read what I wrote, with all your talk of 'character assassinations', you ignored everything but the last sentence.
You bought a character that probably has been specifically designed to be a perfect battleship and Tengu pilot (full T2 fit most likely) and do nothing else, that's what's done on the character bazaar, train and sell characters with very narrow specialisations, that's not how one would typically train or fly for the first 2 years of their main and 2 years are not required to fly a battleship at a good competency level, nor would it be something where you're sitting useless in station until the training's finished.
Train frigates, fly frigates, they're loads of fun (ask the RvB guys). Maybe train destroyers or maybe skip them for cruisers. Fly cruisers, they can also be loads of fun too. Get a battlecruiser, or maybe go straight for T2 frigates, etc, etc. |
Hefty TheFirst
Wormhole Industries Conglomerate
0
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Posted - 2013.03.03 22:06:00 -
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Debra Tao wrote:http://eveboard.com/pilot/Peter_Pacis
This pilot (the one you bought) may be two years old but he has only one year of training, i bought myself a much better pilot for a lot less isk. Also wanting to fly both Tengu and a faction BS with only 20mil SP (Mach requires cross training btw) is really ********.
Again just character assassination. Since you love doing it here is a tip for you. You are a nerd pretending to be a girl. How cool are you!? Buhahahah
Also you bought a toon on the bazaar. We are talking about new players. Since you did the same thing I did which is buy a better toon all your posts are pointless. Can you see that my discussion is about new players and the SP wall that they face. Yet you bring up your garbage character assassination. We both cheated thats the point. In a game you aren't suppose to have multiple alts or buy toons so that you can avoid that wall.
I don't fly a mach. To do so you need to do it in style. I don't have 4-6B for a shiny. |
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Hefty TheFirst
Wormhole Industries Conglomerate
0
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Posted - 2013.03.03 22:10:00 -
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Elena Thiesant wrote:Hefty TheFirst wrote:Make a trial account. Forget about the contacts you have made over the long periods of time that you have been playing. With no help from anyone like a normal new player will be exposed too, go see just how useless you truely are in the first few months to a year of eve.. *Looks at less than year old main character*. Nope, not feeling useless today. Didn't feel useless in the first week I played (and yes, I do remember that, it wasn't that long ago), didn't feel useless in the first month either. A month old character is far from useless unless the player's convinced they can't do anything without a year of training. And no, go back and read what I wrote, with all your talk of 'character assassinations', you ignored everything but the last sentence. You bought a character that probably has been specifically designed to be a perfect battleship and Tengu pilot (full T2 fit most likely) and do nothing else, that's what's done on the character bazaar, train and sell characters with very narrow specialisations, that's not how one would typically train or fly for the first 2 years of their main and 2 years are not required to fly a battleship at a good competency level, nor would it be something where you're sitting useless in station until the training's finished. Train frigates, fly frigates, they're loads of fun (ask the RvB guys). Maybe train destroyers or maybe skip them for cruisers. Fly cruisers, they can also be loads of fun too. Get a battlecruiser, or maybe go straight for T2 frigates, etc, etc.
Narrow specializations is a huge advantage. Something a new player won't have.
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Debra Tao
Perkone Caldari State
65
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Posted - 2013.03.03 22:10:00 -
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There is so much wrong in your post. Also please read carefully my posts, i have mentioned that i bought a char on my first post but that doesn't make "all my posts are pointless". Again, basic logic. |
Frank Millar
117
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Posted - 2013.03.03 22:15:00 -
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Quote:character assassination You like to use that phrase a lot, don't you?
Quote:The second day of my trial account I accidentally found a WH and inside of that WH I found 2 mag sites with no sleepers. I analyzed the cans and opened them. Went to the second site I found and did the same. Didn't even know what I just did was virtually impossible. Not only did you accidentally find a WH, you also found 2 mag sites with no sleepers! On your 2nd day no less!
I'd like to learn more! Please continue. |
Hefty TheFirst
Wormhole Industries Conglomerate
0
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Posted - 2013.03.03 22:17:00 -
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It's funny just how broken the internet is. Here I wanted to discuss how punishing this game is for new players. Talk to the right person. All I got is a bunch off butthurt nerds.
This isn't about me or you. This is about all the new players that feel useless. If CCP showed you the stats of actual players in EVE, you would see just how few people there is. Very few people only have one account. Allot of people I spoke to have an average of 2-5 accounts. You should speak to miners. They have so many accounts. My stat of unique players being 30-50% of the population is probably not even off by much. |
Hefty TheFirst
Wormhole Industries Conglomerate
0
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Posted - 2013.03.03 22:20:00 -
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Debra Tao wrote:There is so much wrong in your post. Also please read carefully my posts, i have mentioned that i bought a char on my first post but that doesn't make "all my posts pointless". Again, basic logic.
You have mentioned buying a char, it happens that in the process you displays basic error in your choice. Errors that are linked to understanding what matters in skill training.
Sorry you don't make much sense. That last sentence read it.
So this post is about new players and how punishing the game is for them. We both cheated. That means we saw the SP wall and paid $ to bulldoze over it. You prove just what my post is about get it? |
Schmata Bastanold
Keep It Burning Stupid
661
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Posted - 2013.03.03 22:20:00 -
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You can buy SP in form of a toon from bazaar but you cannot buy game knowledge and experience. And you are clear proof of that.
Everyone of us started lost and without SP needed to fly shinies and do cool stuff.
Chill da frakk down, keep playing or GTFO. Why would anybody play the game he hates? That's just like most st00pid thing you can do with your time and money. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Frank Millar
117
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Posted - 2013.03.03 22:25:00 -
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Hefty TheFirst wrote:It's funny just how broken the internet is. Here I wanted to discuss how punishing this game is for new players. Talk to the right person. All I got is a bunch off butthurt nerds.
This isn't about me or you. This is about all the new players that feel useless. If CCP showed you the stats of actual players in EVE, you would see just how few people there is. Very few people only have one account. Allot of people I spoke to have an average of 2-5 accounts. You should speak to miners. They have so many accounts. My stat of unique players being 30-50% of the population is probably not even off by much. Yes. Fascinating, isn't it? |
Debra Tao
Perkone Caldari State
65
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Posted - 2013.03.03 22:26:00 -
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Hefty TheFirst wrote: That means we saw the SP wall and paid $ to bulldoze over it.
I didn't pay with real money or PLEX, but with isk i earned. Big difference in what you are saying.
There is a minor problem about new players getting into the game, i don't deny it. I consider it part of the "grinding" that happens in all MMO and in EVE that with that initial grinding comes game knowledge, i think that i had enough knowledge to not make mistake with a higher level of SP. That's not because i bought a char that i have to think that SP are a huge problem for new player, yeah that's annoying but you can still have a lot of fun. That's not a big issue, you don't need to talk about this with a Dev and your stats are worth nothing. |
Hefty TheFirst
Wormhole Industries Conglomerate
0
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Posted - 2013.03.03 22:26:00 -
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Frank Millar wrote:Quote:character assassination You like to use that phrase a lot, don't you? Quote:The second day of my trial account I accidentally found a WH and inside of that WH I found 2 mag sites with no sleepers. I analyzed the cans and opened them. Went to the second site I found and did the same. Didn't even know what I just did was virtually impossible. Not only did you accidentally find a WH, you also found 2 mag sites with no sleepers! On your 2nd day no less! I'd like to learn more! Please continue.
That single moment is why I love the game so much. Freelancer is one of my top 5 games.
You see without that big moment I would still be stuck doing stupid stuff like grinding lvl2 missions. My 2 month old account can't even use the isk I made 2 months ago. If making this post doesn't help I could just physically go to CCP for an interview since I like this game so much. I just want to speak to the right people. Too many new players can't see the great things that are hidden behind that SP wall. |
Hefty TheFirst
Wormhole Industries Conglomerate
0
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Posted - 2013.03.03 22:33:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:You can buy SP in form of a toon from bazaar but you cannot buy game knowledge and experience. And you are clear proof of that.
Everyone of us started lost and without SP needed to fly shinies and do cool stuff.
Chill da frakk down, keep playing or GTFO. Why would anybody play the game he hates? That's just like most st00pid thing you can do with your time and money.
I am clear proof. Proof of what exactly? I have been playing this game for 2 months and for that amount of time I have played and what I have accomplished I'm pretty proud. See this post isn't about me but the high rate of new players that quit. As far as a new player goes I think I did very well. Can you say that you made 170m on your second day of trial? No help, no guidance from friends? |
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Inkarr Hashur
Sacrificial Lambs The Devil's Warrior Alliance
217
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Posted - 2013.03.03 23:35:00 -
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Hefty TheFirst wrote:
Again just character assassination.
Inigo Montoya wants a word with you. |
Debra Tao
Perkone Caldari State
65
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Posted - 2013.03.03 23:39:00 -
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Hefty TheFirst wrote: As far as a new player goes I think I did very well. Can you say that you made 170m on your second day of trial? No help, no guidance from friends?
Oh this is amazing, now you are taking credits for a lucky event ?
P.S. this isn't intended as an assassination, please talk to my lawyer if this message has hurt your honor. We can settle this in a duel, undock, Jita 4-4. |
Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics K162
1453
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Posted - 2013.03.04 00:10:00 -
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this is sh*t. there's a ton of stuff to do in eve for brand new players.
you DONT need all skills at 5 to be effective. skills at 4 are, generally, 90-95% as effective as skills at 5 for anything a new player is likely to be doing. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
1621
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Posted - 2013.03.04 01:52:00 -
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Hefty TheFirst wrote:This game is simply way too punishing for new players. Just to be slightly effective it takes about 1.5 years of training. Then you have some of the basics and can still not do anything special. I think it takes under 2 hours to fit a warp disruptor so you can head out and start hero-tackling.
There are several large entities that accept 0-day characters too, if you have some time in their community, for example dreddit / fweddit have gotten people into the mix in lowsec and nulsec within about 2 hours.
Hefty TheFirst wrote:My first month of eve was great... But it was all just theoretical fun. All I did was plan stuff and study about the game and it's mechanics. You weren't playing EVE then, that's a common first mistake.
Hefty TheFirst wrote:So I brought 4 of my friends in which all payed for 1 month + trial. They loved the first month of eve and into the seconds month they all saw just how truly pathetic they were in terms of SP. Everything they wanted to do was years of training away. I was going to quit as well until I heard of the character bazaar. So I dropped a huge load of $ to buy a pilot that could actually play the game. Sounds like mistakes 2 and 3 there. You developed SP greed instead of having fun, and you bought a character without knowledge of how to use it.
Hefty TheFirst wrote:Could you imagine starting to play WOW right now and have to grind through all of those expansions just to start playing the game at 90... Then the game only starts right? Unlike WoW though, in EVE you don't need endgame level to have fun though.
I hated being forced to grind 5-10 levels every WoW expansion just to be able to have fun. I was a Paladin main tank (and guild officer) in a raiding guild (#3 on server), and saw all of WoW and done all the personal and raid achievements, up to Uldum which is when I quit, because I had been made redundant by dual talent specs and new classes. I wasn't the only one it seems, as my guild apparently dissolved about a month later I later learned.
I came to EVE where I started having fun from day one, and bought a full year subscription the same day.
Hefty TheFirst wrote:So all I am asking is what is being done about this huge problem EVE faces? Who can I talk to about this to make it apparent? I think first you have to convince people there is a problem. It seems more like the tutorials system could be better, to guide people like you and your friends into having fun from day one, and not worrying about skills.
Skills should be looked at as making you better at something you already have fun at, rather than roadblocks to having fun.
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RavenPaine
raven alliance
363
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Posted - 2013.03.04 02:02:00 -
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My 2 cents:
First off, I played Freelancer too. I was an admin on 2 different servers and had some global stats there. Awesome game, but it was so small compared to EVE. Small solar systems, small community. NO payed accounts. And I could literally log in and fly the best ship in the game 5 hours later.
With EVE being a payed subscription, I do NOT want new players to be able to do what I do in a short amount of time. I have payed, played, and learned almost everything the hard way. When I see a multi-year veteran player, I have to respect that he has done the same. Hopefully when you have played for some time, you will feel the same.
As for new players haveing fun? Fun is a state of mind. A good group of players can lose every ship and still have fun. A bad group of players can win everything in EVE, and still log off mad.
As for friends. Keep your RL friends seperate from your EVE friends.
As for skills: I have like,, 130 skills at level V. They do not save my ship when I make a mistake. They do not make me have 'more fun'. But they do give me some milestones, goals, intermitent achievements. And I earned every one. I am still learning things all the time, that are not in any skill book. |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
1025
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Posted - 2013.03.04 02:32:00 -
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Inkarr Hashur wrote:Hefty TheFirst wrote:
Again just character assassination.
Inigo Montoya wants a word with you.
I was gonna link the video, but hey, that works too. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
658
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Posted - 2013.03.04 02:57:00 -
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Orlacc wrote:Eve has more subs ALTS than ever.
FIXED
Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 |
Debra Tao
Perkone Caldari State
65
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Posted - 2013.03.04 05:42:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote: You weren't playing EVE then, that's a common first mistake.
Maybe the OP is dumb but he raises a couple of good point, one being that a new player cannot do much in the first couple of months. You cannot realistically pvp all day long and as you mentioned most of the large entities that accept day 1 toon are community-based.
So they have to fill their day with pve and pve in EVE is horrible, lvl1 missions are really easy but some lvl2s missions will be tricky/impossible to run with poor skills in a cruiser, even with a good fit. I ended up after my first week wondering what i could do... Yes new players can mine and it's even easier now with the venture but that's a very specific gameplay, i would define it as "boring as f*ck". An active new player, that don't like mindless grinding and wants to play Eve maybe 1-2 hours per day just won't have much to do.
Over time the problem solves itself, players are able to do pvp with being podded in the first few seconds, and to run missions/rats/explore effectively. Myself i just went all-in with trading while learning about the community and the game but then again trading is a very specific type of gameplay.
I am not saying that this is a "huge problem" nor do i want newbies to be effective in high-end ships quickly but i think there is room for content here and CCP should work on that. Ofc you can find a charitable carebear that will let you salvage and loot some wrecks in lvl4s... that's not really fun either and you are left with the impression to clean the dishes. And a game that relies on vets'kindness to provide content to newbies... isn't that a flawed design ? |
Candy Oshea
Techfree Investment Group
141
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Posted - 2013.03.04 06:30:00 -
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Debra Tao wrote:pve in EVE is horrible
Needs more expletives. I've accidentally swallowed some Scrabble tiles. My next **** could spell disaster.
iCandy |
Zappity
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.03.04 10:48:00 -
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OP, I'm having more fun in this 1.5m SP character than I have ever had in my PvE mains. In fact, I think of Zaps as my main now since my high SP characters just seem stale in comparison.
One of the most important things you can learn about EVE is that the skill point journey is very enjoyable. Sure, my four year old thinks I need to 'get a bigger ship so I can get the baddies' but I realise that small ship PvP is fantastic:
1. Cheap (let's you learn by lots of mistakes) 2. Very fun 3. Arguably harder than large ship PvP due to the short time frame
Remember that skill points does not equate to skill. I can guarantee that a noob who buys a high SP character will die in lots of expensive explosions. Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
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