Anyway, this can be an endless discussion. Important is that I can't see a quote from me saying EvE is dying.

You do understand that it's possible to say something in an implicit fashion, right?

Your breathless whining about how something must be done to accommodate new players makes it pretty apparent that you're a garden-variety "eve is dying" troll, regardless of whether or not you actually use the phrase "eve is dying".

Your assertion that something must be done, coupled with your spurious claims that Eve is losing new players, carries an identical implication.

Just let me say it's just not a claim that EvE can't really catch new players, it's a problem even CCP has acknowledged, yet you do refuse it.

While you consider playing to pay PLEX work, some people don't. Since I know more than one such, this is an undisputable FACT.

The fact that you know people whose financial acumen is hilariously naive is neither surprising nor particularly significant. If you're paying for it, it isn't free, regardless of the currency.

Wow.

You're either a very professional troll or competing for dumbest person alive. Either way, i'm impressed.

If you do not understand this, you are an economic incompetent. Fact.

Looks like my edit was too late. Maybe reading it will still make you understand.



I'll try to make it as simple for you as possible.

Someone gives you a cookie. He requires as payment for the cookie, that you EAT it.
You like eating cookies, so the restriction doesn't actually restrict you and you're not too full to eat it.

Would you SERIOUSLY claim that cookie is not free because there is a restriction attached to it?

That's not even remotely analogous to how PLEX work, although I suppose the fact that it is completely non-representative makes sense, given that it was devised by an economic incompetent.

You're missing some fairly key details, specifically:

1. The third party, who actually paid legal tender for the cookie.

2. The alternate store of value that you transfer to the third party in exchange for their cookie.

The actual scenario is closer to:

Bob buys a cookie from the baker. Bob offers to give Alice his cookie if she cleans his house. Alice agrees, cleans Bob's house, and receives his cookie.

That Alice does not find cleaning houses to be completely abhorrent doesn't change the fact that she is exchange a store of value for the cookie.

So, where was I?
Oh, right. Incompetent.

Oh, and then, to put your whinging in context:

Eve learns that Alice can get one of The Baker's cookies for "free", via Bob, by cleaning Bob's house.

Eve isn't very good at cleaning houses, though, and when she can't get Bob's house clean, he won't give her a cookie.

Eve doesn't like this, and logs onto the Baker's forum to loudly complain that she heard this bakery had a Free2Eat mode, and she can't participate in it because she's only just learning how to clean houses, and that's NOT FAIR! She deserves a cookie!

"The minerals I mine are free because I like mining, so it isn't *really* work," said the economic incompetent.

Actually Eve DID try to get the house clean and she has the potential to be as proficient as Alice.

Bad comparison stays bad comparison. Let's see if you can find your mistake.


What would be required to make your miner comparison WORK for the example of 'player considers EVE a F2P equivalent because he enjoys generating plex'?

It's actually a direct 1:1 mapping. It works perfectly.

Miner enjoys generating minerals, minerals are "free".
Economic incompetent enjoys generating plex, plex is "free".

So you're saying Eve wasn't able to generate enough value to exchange for Bob's cookie?

So the cookie has a price after all, despite the fact that Alice is a badass house-cleaner who happens to love her work, and doesn't really consider it "work"?

You mean it's... it's not FREE?

I knew you'd fail to see the missing link.

The miner's minerals have a market value. He ignores the opportunity cost.

The time spent plexing only has a market value if our test subject finds someone who is willing to pay him for doing something he enjoys as much as plexing.

And that's what's really important here, right? Your predetermined conclusion that Eve is unfair to new players.

Really?

Lets analyze what you just said.

Friends mean everything.
All of mine quit.

Skill points mean nothing.
The reason why my friends quit.

Knowledge means everything.

I have knowledge of things I want to do.
How far away am I to do them? 1-2 years away.
Wait that long? Never...

Please this is a "mature" discussion.
EDIT: No personal attacks, please - ISD Tyrozan