I've tried numerous excursions into low-sec and null sec, only to be obliterated by those who have higher skill points and better ships than me.

To say we are on even playing field is stupid, I can outfit a Jaguar and still be decimated because i don't have all the skills necessary to make that ship completely effective. Roughly 18 days of training just to fly it, than lets see another month of skills to be effective, this goes for most other (regular) frigates as well. You will get obliterated if you don't have the proper skills, Skill Points > Actual Skill.

New characters are given BONUS remaps for precisely that reason. Note the emphasis on "bonus". Everyone else gets an annual remap, with the occasional bonus doled out as holiday gifts.

At this point you've essentially asserted that you want to be able to train a variety of skills at an optimal sp/hr at all times, and not have to spend any of your "valuable" bonus remaps to do it.

This suggests that, if I were to roll a new character and begin training it right now, I would be hopelessly outmatched by, say... You. Do you actually think that's the case?

I said that even WITH burning one of only 2 bonus remaps i realistically expect to have in my lifetime, I'm looking at 2 mapping periods within my first year. To spend those 2 mapping periods efficiently means each of them will have to be at least a few months (i.e. I will have to learn a few skills i might not need IMMEDIATELY, but i will want to have after that year. because I won't be seeing the same remap until the year is over - even longer for the 2nd remap period). So the minimum time spent we're looking at is my complete first remap period + the immediately useful skills from my 2nd remap period.

Which means as an effect from the attribute system ALONE we are looking at about 150 days spent training until i can reach my first short-term goal ship-wise

...yeah, like I said before. Your problems are wholly borne of a neurotic need to min/max.

No, my (and other people like myself's) problems are mostly borne from the attitude of elitist jerks who feel they have a right to an infinite advantage over newer players simply because they started playing the game earlier.

This thread has so many tears of I can't play game if I don't have 100 mil skill points. It is getting a little sad to say the least.

So, What I propose is that CCP gives all new players 100 million free skill points to use where they want too.

This probably still wouldn't stop the whining because these new players wouldn't know what to do with all the skill points.

But at least this same old whine & thread which comes up every other week would change to a new whine fest.

Please, CCP give new players 100 million skill points to start game with.

Nah then the old players would quit, because they be too mad that their 400 years played doesn't equate instant win anymore.

I'll ask again: If more SP = instant win, if I roll a newb right now and train it for, say, two weeks, would the fact that you have more SP than my newb equate to an "instant win" for you?

I'll ask again: If more SP = instant win, if I roll a newb right now and train it for, say, two weeks, would the fact that you have more SP than my newb equate to an "instant win" for you?

Pretty sure I could beat a guy who's only registered kill is against an imparior who had been playing 2+ years. Stop talking like your some knowledgeable source in PVP.

So you're asserting that, yes, your SP would equate to an instant win for you against a two week old pilot?

How about a month old one?

Two months?

Really, this idea of yours is fascinating to me. :D

Yeah i guess you are a little slow on the uptake. Deciphering is hard. How often when you are in null sec and low sec do you encounter a new pilot? Pretty damn rare, everyone i see has been playing 2+ years. Basically by saying this you have furthered my point. I am not allowed to take on a pilot that has been playing 2+ years because he just stomps me, because his ship has better fittings and his trained skills aren't sub-par like mine, if he has the same exact ship as me.

If skill points don't equate to anything than why not let people just have them to a certain extent its already what they are doing its just time invested.

If I were to stomp you with my main, you would blame it on my skillpoints, regardless of the role they actually played. You would feel your point had been proven. More SPs = win, Eve is unfair to new players, whinewhinewhine.

My assertion is that you simply do not know what you are doing, so I'm offering to reverse the roles in the SP-equation. What happens if you lose then? You can't very well blame it on the SP discrepancy anymore, right?



No one said they don't equate to anything - what was said is that they don't do what you are personally claiming that they do.

Pretty sure you said they don't equate to anything, that your 2 week character could easily beat a 5 year old character, thus making skill points null. So basically you are back-stepping hard.

You have to train for a month or two even before you can start PVP and be on a level playing field which i find to be ridiculous.

In that case, you should be able to simply state that my 2 week/1 month/2 month old character would stand no chance against you.

Is Eve PvP so simplistic that the player's actions are functionally irrelevant? Yes, says you.
Does this mean that SPs are the only thing that matters? Yes, says you.
Would you have more SP than any character I rolled today? Yes, obviously.

So why do you keep responding to a simple yes/no question with this tedious expositions?

Way to take what i said out of context, wildly out of context. And to answer your question which i have several times before only you are too blunt to actually notice. Yes, but this is void of my point.