the moons has run dry?

Number of moons * 100 * 24 per day isn't endless

Hi sec should never have existed, period.

Can't understand why way lesser PvP games have extremely limited "safe" zones (and they provide nothing but shelter and some training NPCs) while EvE - the premier PvP game - has so much hi sec it hurts.

endless means "without end". It does not mean anything about width.

so yes, unless moons are going dry moon goo is endless.

So yes changes need to continue to be implemented by CCP just like they did for mining barges to ensure no one group can exploit game mechanics.

mission income is endless as it cannot be taken away

moons, however, can be taken away

Right because every one has endless moon goo and isk and can buy everything they want day one in the game. Hi-sec should be a more relaxed area of the game. It shouldnt be an area where the goons can manipulate with hulkagedeon and ganking.

This game can and should be for every play style not just the way you wish or want it or imagine it to be.

mission income is endless as it cannot be taken away

moons, however, can be taken away

mission income can be taken away by any off-war or few pilots suicide ganking. Sometime you even don't need to kill ratter to prevent his mission to pay.

moons on the contrary can not be taken from your alliance(s) at the time (show me 1 moon which was taken from TEST/PL/GOONS for last month)

People gank mission runners all the time and gank their mission fit ships all the time so yes they can be taken away.

People gank mission runners all the time and gank their mission fit ships all the time so yes they can be taken away.

That's really the philosophical difference here between people like me and folks like you. We like EVE as it is, danger and all, and play it as such rather than asking for unreasonable and selfish (not to mention bad for the game) changes because we can't be bothered to pay attention to our in-game surroundings. I've survived gank attempt after gank attempt because of the way i play.

No amount of ccp gerrymandering the game for you is going to make you a good player holyshocker/caldari citizen/whoever you are. Thinking for yourself, taking personal responsibility for you in-game outcomes and stopping this insane crusade to get the pwoer that be to dumb down EVE, THESE THINGS will make you an actually good EVE player.

funnily enough nobody has ever scanned down my drake except to ninja loot my mission and that's because it has an obscene tank b2b T2 meh loot drop if you can crack it.

And that's how you complacently bum your way around highsec.

The philosophical difference between me and yourself and people like you is I play in low/null/hi-sec. I feel because this is a MMORPG with PVE and PVP elements that there should be a division between the two that should allow game play for those that donGÇÖt want to have school yard bully tactics and broken game mechanic forced upon them.

Should this happen the person who is attacking the hi-sec person shouldnGÇÖt profit from it. The ganker is using hi-sec mechanics as a safety net to decide when they want to initiate combat on a target that is neither set up fit or prepared for PVP. You want to grief someone just because you can and you have the advantage all from the safety of the rules of hi-sec.

There are two other system null/low that are open pvp where people are fit ready and willing to fight. These people would not provide you the same sense school yard fulfillment because you might lose or look stupid.

If hi-sec is where you need to get your sense of nerd rage school yard bully fulfillment then you should not profit from it.

I feel because this is a MMORPG with PVE and PVP elements that there should be a division between the two that should allow game play for those that donGÇÖt want to have school yard bully tactics and broken game mechanic forced upon them.

Should this happen the person who is attacking the hi-sec person shouldnGÇÖt profit from it.

There are two other system null/low that are open pvp where people are fit ready and willing to fight.

The philosophical difference between me and yourself and people like you is I play in low/null/hi-sec. I feel because this is a MMORPG with PVE and PVP elements that there should be a division between the two that should allow game play for those that donGÇÖt want to have school yard bully tactics and broken game mechanic forced upon them.

Should this happen the person who is attacking the hi-sec person shouldnGÇÖt profit from it. The ganker is using hi-sec mechanics as a safety net to decide when they want to initiate combat on a target that is neither set up fit or prepared for PVP. You want to grief someone just because you can and you have the advantage all from the safety of the rules of hi-sec.

There are two other system null/low that are open pvp where people are fit ready and willing to fight. These people would not provide you the same sense school yard fulfillment because you might lose or look stupid.

If hi-sec is where you need to get your sense of nerd rage school yard bully fulfillment then you should not profit from it.

ThatGÇÖs the difference. I donGÇÖt feel these people are here to fill the void for something I may be missing but they are here in hi-sec for themselves and their own needs not yours.

The philosophical difference between me and yourself and people like you is I play in low/null/hi-sec. I feel because this is a MMORPG with PVE and PVP elements that there should be a division between the two that should allow game play for those that donGÇÖt want to have school yard bully tactics and broken game mechanic forced upon them.

Should this happen the person who is attacking the hi-sec person shouldnGÇÖt profit from it. The ganker is using hi-sec mechanics as a safety net to decide when they want to initiate combat on a target that is neither set up fit or prepared for PVP. You want to grief someone just because you can and you have the advantage all from the safety of the rules of hi-sec.

There are two other system null/low that are open pvp where people are fit ready and willing to fight. These people would not provide you the same sense school yard fulfillment because you might lose or look stupid.

If hi-sec is where you need to get your sense of nerd rage school yard bully fulfillment then you should not profit from it.

ThatGÇÖs the difference. I donGÇÖt feel these people are here to fill the void for something I may be missing but they are here in hi-sec for themselves and their own needs not yours.

The philosophical difference between me and yourself and people like you is I play in low/null/hi-sec. I feel because this is a MMORPG with PVE and PVP elements that there should be a division between the two that should allow game play for those that donGÇÖt want to have school yard bully tactics and broken game mechanic forced upon them.

Should this happen the person who is attacking the hi-sec person shouldnGÇÖt profit from it. The ganker is using hi-sec mechanics as a safety net to decide when they want to initiate combat on a target that is neither set up fit or prepared for PVP. You want to grief someone just because you can and you have the advantage all from the safety of the rules of hi-sec.

There are two other system null/low that are open pvp where people are fit ready and willing to fight. These people would not provide you the same sense school yard fulfillment because you might lose or look stupid.

If hi-sec is where you need to get your sense of nerd rage school yard bully fulfillment then you should not profit from it.

ThatGÇÖs the difference. I donGÇÖt feel these people are here to fill the void for something I may be missing but they are here in hi-sec for themselves and their own needs not yours.

You also seem to be avoiding one very pertinent question, as asked by Tippia. Why shouldn't people be able to profit from robbing someone of their valuables? Another directly related question would be why shouldn't people be able to profit by replacing the valuables that have been stolen?

Obviously, because it's "not nice", and who ever said "not nice" is allowed in EVE (other than the people who make it)....

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The philosophical difference between me and yourself and people like you is I play in low/null/hi-sec. I feel because this is a MMORPG with PVE and PVP elements that there should be a division between the two that should allow game play for those that donGÇÖt want to have school yard bully tactics and broken game mechanic forced upon them.

You're looking at it the wrong way, Eve is primarily a PVP game that happens to have some (quite poor) PVE elements.

What you appear to be proposing is that highsec becomes a gated enclave where crime isn't profitable thus making safety virtually guaranteed. Human history has shown us that no matter what, crime is profitable, it's the way of the world, and no amount of posturing on your part, or anyone else's for that matter is going to change that. If someone is silly enough to fly around in a blinged out ship, or is carrying an extremely valuable cargo, then eventually someone is going to try and part them from their cargo or bling.

If you have something someone else wants or that they can make a profit on, they will try and take it from you, this fact of life is played out everyday, both in Eve and in the real world even in the supposed safe zones such as highsec or major cities.

You also seem to be avoiding one very pertinent question, as asked by Tippia. Why shouldn't people be able to profit from robbing someone of their valuables? Another directly related question would be why shouldn't people be able to profit by replacing the valuables that have been stolen?

No my phiosphy is at odds with yours not EVE.

Just because something is a certain way now doesnt mean it cant or wont adjust or adapt as it has before in this game .

Profit for ganking in hi-sec should be removed not the ability.

If you want to bully the kids in hi-sec then it should cost you.

[quote=Caldari Citizen 1897289768188]No my phiosphy is at odds with yours not EVE.

No I think I am seeing correct.

Doesnt seem to be to me. That your opinion.

Nope. It's a matter of recorded history and of game design.

By the way, why shouldn't you be able to rob people of their valuables for profit?

CCP doesn't agree with you.

See thats were you are wrong. The changes brought about for the barges prove this.

As well as Dev Soundwaves quote refference to those changes.