gankers argue that ganking is pvp, then how come ganking should be profitable when pvp isnt? yes, theres an incentive in the form of bounties and insurance payouts, but you are not supposed to break even, ever. every year or so you will find that holy grail of stupidity flying in low with a mission boat, but thats not the norm.

ganking should not be profitable, in an average way, period. if you want to make a profit, then sit in a belt scanning to find a barge that fits a faction tank or a mission runner with officer fittings near a gate. but randomly shooting at a barge with 3 t1 catalysts and making a profit, all the while avoiding -10 gameplay because your catalyst pilot is a 2m sp highsec superhero is a no. definite no.

Even so, PvP can be plenty profitable if you can avoid being blown up. You're still looking at a couple of tens of millions in T2 modules and salvage (especially if you killed a T2 ship) if you win the fight.

gankers argue that ganking is pvp, then how come ganking should be profitable when pvp isnt? yes, theres an incentive in the form of bounties and insurance payouts, but you are not supposed to break even, ever. every year or so you will find that holy grail of stupidity flying in low with a mission boat, but thats not the norm.

ganking should not be profitable, in an average way, period. if you want to make a profit, then sit in a belt scanning to find a barge that fits a faction tank or a mission runner with officer fittings near a gate. but randomly shooting at a barge with 3 t1 catalysts and making a profit, all the while avoiding -10 gameplay because your catalyst pilot is a 2m sp highsec superhero is a no. definite no.

translation: I got ganked.

I can tolerate the stupid game play, but why should one allow it when it annoys those who enjoy EVE for the greater challenges it offers? I still do not know why and nor have I seen a good reason coming from those who get off on the cheap fun.

Make ganking profitable - everyone now go ganking, oh wait, we will be ganking gankers that are ganking another gankers. What a fun.

cause someone else a greater loss than your own

You're just worried about your AFK isk printing being interrupted.

Incidentally, this is the best way to wage war.

You talk like this was an argument. We had these threads a hundred times, but never have I seen a good reason why one should not let players mine afk. I make a lot more just with trading. Nobody ganks me when I am logged off

In a pyrrhus war, where nobody wins, is this true. But why let one month old players in cheap destroyers do this? With whom could they possibly be at war?

Remove it and the challenge is gone.

But what they are doing is stealing your sales ...

And thereby makes room for better challenges. I agree.

I dont have this problem in null. The enemy is very clear. He will be the one not blue

gankers argue that ganking is pvp, then how come ganking should be profitable when pvp isnt?

but never have I seen a good reason why one should not let players mine afk\

There's no shortage of room for challenges.

Ganking = piracy.

When did people do piracy for no profit?

In a pyrrhus war, where nobody wins, is this true.

But why let one month old players in cheap destroyers do this?

With whom could they possibly be at war?

People need a "reason" to shoot their space ship guns at other space ships in a space ship video game?

This is called "projecting your morality onto others" and it's wrong.

Whether they admit it or not, everyone had a moral code, or "norms" they follow, even in game playing. I certainly do.

I don't gank or scam or shoot cyno noob ships etc etc because i don't find those activities fun. I prefer "fair" fights where i can get them and such. That's my "gaming moral code" so to speak.

The difference between me and folks like you is that I know my code applies only to me, which is why i didn't get made at all yesterday when someone shot my cyno ship in low sec. Sure it was annoying, the nearest cyno on market was 3 jumps away and I needed to make another jump last night so it cost me sometime, but its a video game , people are supposed to be able to do that, and not just in low sec, but everywhere.

I think all of you "I don't understand, WHY do this" types simply want people to play the game your way, and if you've read what I think of people making the accusation I just made, you'd know I don't make it lightly lol.

My thought is ganking hulls (salvage only)
should be unprofitable.
Period end of it all.
Now ganking ships fit with no tank, just hull plus mods should be profitable as the mods now drop, but you must use appropriate ships, ie something other than large value n of gankalysts.
An easy way to solve this factor of gankalysts killing everything for single digit percent of the cost would be to have Concord jam and neut along with their warp scramming.
Larger ships will laugh at this as they fit cap boosters and eccm mods (im looking at you awesome people of batcounty)
This allows gankalysts to get off a few shots without hampering the larger ships.
Basically the issue is that as it stands, if someone can obtain sufficient gankalysts they will kill you regardless of tank and always well below mod drop.
That is my complaint.
Dont nerf dessies, dont hurt big ships with more slots.
Just remove one specific style of play that currently can not be countered.
Alphanados are acceptable as that is their role.
Gankalyst however get to move within optimal and you can watch them prepare but nothing can be done to stop it.

Though that would be nice to have, some method of acting on gankers so as to remove the whole bit of by the time you can react it is already over.

Ooh maybe have a Concord patrol in system that flits between belts and customs office and cannot be drug away.
This way those at keyboard get to see the patrol warp off and know to follow while those afk have to continue rolling dice.
No need to nerf or buff and it rewards active play while not nerfing afk play.

Now ganking ships fit with no tank, just hull plus mods should be profitable as the mods now drop, but you must use appropriate ships, ie something other than large value n of gankalysts.

An easy way to solve this factor of gankalysts killing everything for single digit percent of the cost would be to have Concord jam and neut along with their warp scramming.

Just remove one specific style of play that currently can not be countered.

im talking about ships that cant help but pay for their own gank

Basically the issue is that as it stands, if someone can obtain sufficient gankalysts they will kill you regardless of tank and always well below mod drop.

In any war situation is is preferable to do more damage to the enemy than they do to you. It would be the height of idiocy to engineer a fight in such a way to even the odds.

How would we balance the game in such a way that one month old players couldn't gank people in cheap destroyers but could still get ahead in the game skillwise? That makes no sense in a sandbox environment where players define their own goals.

Everybody. EVE is a PvP sandbox where nearly everyone is in competition with everyone else.

There are no such ships.