I thought CCP at one point had said they weren't ever going to do faction versions of tier 3 hulls?

And, duh, I just realized that the harb is a tier 2 hull *facepallms*

In which case, I hope that they give it another mid slot :P

No, it's pretty spot on. Come on, high skills, expensive equipment and implants aside, once you do it a couple of dozen times the mystic is gone. After the umpteenth thousandth time you're ready to give your right testicle if only you didn't have to press f1 x number of times to launch your probes and then have to configure their arrangement by hand. Sure, there are techniques you develop over time of say a couple of months with higher level skills. Beyond that, there's nothing except tedium.

As an add on to this, and with all due respect given to those that are highly skilled with the current system, I'll reiterate that a lot of that tedium would be relieved if you didn't have to go through the same steps for every little thing you want to scan down. Some things should be either automatic (ships approaching within a certain range), or at least fairly extensively automated, allowing you to do other things while the scanning is going on. In the case of Dscan clicking it repeatedly is somewhat pointless.

Now for the more difficult targets, hard to detect anomalies or ships actively trying to hide their signatures in various ways, that could easily take existing mechanics a bit further and become a true game of cat and mouse (particularly in the later case). The trick of course to make the process challenging and rewarding, without making it frustrating... and keeping the element of actual personal skill involved instead of just full skills and best equipment... as was pointed out still has a valid place in any modification of the current system. I suppose the emphasis should be on more strategic thinking and less on tweaking and fiddling, if you take my meaning.

We are all familiar with SciFi that involves both automatic sensor sweeps (usually proximity sensors) and also the capability for detailed searching and analysis of a given area... often looking for a specific thing but sometimes just searching for anything out of the ordinary. I think that should be the ultimate goal, it would make sense, be familiar to us, and would be very entertaining. ESPECIALLY if a wide variety of new anomalies, belts, and other stellar phenomena is introduced to keep things varied and interesting. It could also solve several game mechanic issues (sniper fleets being pointless) and perhaps add a deeper strategic level to many fleet engagement.

It might, just might, also enable the ability to warp to specific points in a system without needing to use celestial objects to do so. Other than close tactical bookmarks, all points we warp to (safe spots) are made by creating bookmarks mid way between various celestial objects (often scanned anomalies as well). I'm not sure why, but for some reason I think that we may soon see the ability to pick a set of coordinates within a solar system and simply warp there. Probably wishful thinking, but I suppose we'll see when more info is released.

... are you actually, literally advocating botting?

No, just streamlining PVE according to the same principles people use to justify streamlining scanning.

"Tedious, repetitive" - > make automatic

0/10

These changes would make catching people impossible.

That Myrm in the foto could also just be a redesign- it has something funny covering the turret hardpoints. Turret hardpoints are wrong on the current model.

And CCP likes to redesign favourite, iconic hulls instead of the ones that look bad :P

(not saying that the new Mega isn't outrageously awesome)

No, it's pretty spot on. Come on, high skills, expensive equipment and implants aside, once you do it a couple of dozen times the mystic is gone. After the umpteenth thousandth time you're ready to give your right testicle if only you didn't have to press f1 x number of times to launch your probes and then have to configure their arrangement by hand. Sure, there are techniques you develop over time of say a couple of months with higher level skills. Beyond that, there's nothing except tedium.

Takes you all will to live after 15min doing it.

You're bored after 15mins of probing? Maybe exploration isn't really for you then?

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Now I remember why I shouldn't read the forums. Makes me want to quit even if im having fun in game lol.

For real.

For pure true mind-numbing, try filling up an Orca 6 times with Ice with 2 toons.

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Meh, editor lost my complete post and left me with initial quote I used

Let's try again:

Anyone thinking that scanning is only about high skills and nothing to do with personal skill/knowledge obviously never had to scan down a boosting eccm'd T3. Right now some aspects of scanning are tedious and repetitive and should be worked on. Should aspects of scanning be made automatic? Answer is - absolutely no. Too lazy to hit d-scan every now and then - you deserve to be caught. Cant be bothered re-positioning probes - you don't deserve awards exploration can provide. Simple as that.

E.g. a way to make the scanner strategic and automatic would be to allow the user to "optimize" for a certain size range and distance. Perhaps they come at a balance. You can extend your range and only see very large ships or that there are a large number of ships within some X amount of distance, but then you miss out on smaller hulls. Maybe you shorten up your range considerably to see all sizes of hulls but you only get a few thousand kilometers of range.

can i be tabbed out while i'm doing it? because i manage to do it with ore without wanting to kill myself but tv shows keep me sane...

Just a btw: I believe we are discussing Core Scanner Exploration Probing and that aspect mentioned in the Odyssey ad and presentation, which can't even see ships.



EDIT: maybe a bit has been brought in about d-scan, but d-scanning ships has nothing to do at all with skills.

I was specifically referring to the point about 'being too lazy to d-scan'. For me it's not about laziness. Having to hit it every X seconds is the definition of tedium. It reminds me of Homer Simpson's job which apparently was hitting a button every X seconds. Any mechanic that can be done with one of those little birds that bops up and down continuously is a bad mechanic.