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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.03.25 14:08:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Quintessen wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Quintessen wrote:
E.g. a way to make the scanner strategic and automatic would be to allow the user to "optimize" for a certain size range and distance. Perhaps they come at a balance. You can extend your range and only see very large ships or that there are a large number of ships within some X amount of distance, but then you miss out on smaller hulls. Maybe you shorten up your range considerably to see all sizes of hulls but you only get a few thousand kilometers of range.
Just a btw: I believe we are discussing Core Scanner Exploration Probing and that aspect mentioned in the Odyssey ad and presentation, which can't even see ships. EDIT: maybe a bit has been brought in about d-scan, but d-scanning ships has nothing to do at all with skills. I was specifically referring to the point about 'being too lazy to d-scan'. For me it's not about laziness. Having to hit it every X seconds is the definition of tedium. It reminds me of Homer Simpson's job which apparently was hitting a button every X seconds. Any mechanic that can be done with one of those little birds that bops up and down continuously is a bad mechanic. But one has to hit it constantly, as the 'situation in system' can change....constantly. There is no 'fix' for that reality.
Whut? Of course there is. Make it auto update. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1116
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Posted - 2013.03.25 14:16:00 -
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Sylvia Nardieu wrote:Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote: Takes you all will to live after 15min doing it.
You're bored after 15mins of probing? Maybe exploration isn't really for you then? QFT
Probing is what you do to get to the good stuff. Get good at it, and you can sort systems out quite quickly, unless you hit a jackpot system, in which case, the extra time translates into extra stuff to do. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
sycore101
Sensri Union 0f Revolution
55
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Posted - 2013.03.25 14:18:00 -
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Didn't read all 17 pages .. but i thought i'd post this right at the end
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo0vbusruT0
CCP At PAX East, giving a quick talk about what to expect for the next patch, no real big reveals but it does look like he's about to be mobbed by angry nerds.
D-scanning .. My god if something could be more tedious .. well lets just say not to go there, i don't see why they can't add a system scanning pos mods. Updates in real time etc etc, because all you ever really need to catch are the probes that are after you.
I'm a bit worried about what they mean by moving resources, nul sec is still unknown to me, exploration .. whatever, wh, grav, radar, t'is all the same.
But yeah what ever they bring will be well enjoyed |
Dave Stark
2219
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Posted - 2013.03.25 14:18:00 -
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Quintessen wrote:And this is why mining needs to attentiveness. The problem with making it more attentive is that fewer people would do it AFK which while people would normally consider a good thing, downward pressure on mineral prices from increased supply is what is keeping T1 ship and module prices down. Also mining would have to be made fairly engaging if it were replaced with a different mechanic. Something that was mellow, but also rewarding.
no it doesn't. if i had to pay attention to mining; i wouldn't do it. the isk/hour is too **** for it to demand so much attention.
some sort of stupid "active mining" system has been discussed, and shown to be awful, on many occasions. people need to stop coming up with such dumb ideas.
also, if i have to manually **** around with stuff while i'm mining. pilots have to start manually aiming too. Want miners to move from high sec to null sec? Then give them a reason to join player corps, and stop null sec grav sites being worth less isk/hour than high sec asteroid belts. Really isn't difficult. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1116
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Posted - 2013.03.25 14:20:00 -
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Quintessen wrote: Also mining would have to be made fairly engaging if it were replaced with a different mechanic. Something that was mellow, but also rewarding. Pretty colors? Psychedelic clouds, like lava lamps for stoned-out miners? Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1116
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Posted - 2013.03.25 14:22:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Quintessen wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Quintessen wrote:
E.g. a way to make the scanner strategic and automatic would be to allow the user to "optimize" for a certain size range and distance. Perhaps they come at a balance. You can extend your range and only see very large ships or that there are a large number of ships within some X amount of distance, but then you miss out on smaller hulls. Maybe you shorten up your range considerably to see all sizes of hulls but you only get a few thousand kilometers of range.
Just a btw: I believe we are discussing Core Scanner Exploration Probing and that aspect mentioned in the Odyssey ad and presentation, which can't even see ships. EDIT: maybe a bit has been brought in about d-scan, but d-scanning ships has nothing to do at all with skills. I was specifically referring to the point about 'being too lazy to d-scan'. For me it's not about laziness. Having to hit it every X seconds is the definition of tedium. It reminds me of Homer Simpson's job which apparently was hitting a button every X seconds. Any mechanic that can be done with one of those little birds that bops up and down continuously is a bad mechanic. But one has to hit it constantly, as the 'situation in system' can change....constantly. There is no 'fix' for that reality. Sure there is. A scanning alt with combat probes.
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3823
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Posted - 2013.03.25 14:23:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Quintessen wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Quintessen wrote:
E.g. a way to make the scanner strategic and automatic would be to allow the user to "optimize" for a certain size range and distance. Perhaps they come at a balance. You can extend your range and only see very large ships or that there are a large number of ships within some X amount of distance, but then you miss out on smaller hulls. Maybe you shorten up your range considerably to see all sizes of hulls but you only get a few thousand kilometers of range.
Just a btw: I believe we are discussing Core Scanner Exploration Probing and that aspect mentioned in the Odyssey ad and presentation, which can't even see ships. EDIT: maybe a bit has been brought in about d-scan, but d-scanning ships has nothing to do at all with skills. I was specifically referring to the point about 'being too lazy to d-scan'. For me it's not about laziness. Having to hit it every X seconds is the definition of tedium. It reminds me of Homer Simpson's job which apparently was hitting a button every X seconds. Any mechanic that can be done with one of those little birds that bops up and down continuously is a bad mechanic. But one has to hit it constantly, as the 'situation in system' can change....constantly. There is no 'fix' for that reality. Sure there is. A scanning alt with combat probes.
Still must be hit constantly....as the situation can change constantly. In microseconds. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3823
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Posted - 2013.03.25 14:27:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:Quintessen wrote: Also mining would have to be made fairly engaging if it were replaced with a different mechanic. Something that was mellow, but also rewarding. Pretty colors? Psychedelic clouds, like lava lamps for stoned-out miners?
Last time I did gas mining out here, the clouds were changed. They no longer 'breathe'.
edit: typo. Still not enough coffee. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
sycore101
Sensri Union 0f Revolution
55
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Posted - 2013.03.25 14:28:00 -
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You can hit dscan every 3-5 seconds .. combats every 7+ maybe ..if your gonna get particular about it
Although many times i've been caught short god dammed Pvp'ers <<< Lol gag
Although it is just luck ..sometimes you go all night with no trouble others it's 2 or 3 people in & out of the hole |
Pelea Ming
Prostitutes Are Always Wlling
15
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Posted - 2013.03.25 14:34:00 -
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Joelleaveek wrote:Pelea Ming wrote:Kethry Avenger wrote:Cautiously Optimistic.
Looking forward to a Navy Harbinger, and hopefully navy dessies. I thought CCP at one point had said they weren't ever going to do faction versions of tier 3 hulls? And, duh, I just realized that the harb is a tier 2 hull *facepallms* In which case, I hope that they give it another mid slot :P Based on data mined from the chaos server and the video of the presentation from PAX the upcoming navy battlecruisers are going to be Brutix/Drake/Harbinger/Hurricane. No more tiers remember.
meh, so they call them something besides tiers now, the concept of the tiers for the hulls still exists, lol, and I hope that they also make Navy versions of the tier 1 hulls, too, just cause that could be fun :) |
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Pelea Ming
Prostitutes Are Always Wlling
16
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Posted - 2013.03.25 14:39:00 -
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Sylvia Nardieu wrote:Also I'd love it if signatures you've already probed down were 'kept' after session change, so when I probe stuff down and make bookmarks I don't have to re-scan them.
Umm, once you scan something down and bookmark it, you don't have to scan it down again, just warp to the bookmark
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Pelea Ming
Prostitutes Are Always Wlling
16
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Posted - 2013.03.25 14:42:00 -
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Irya Boone wrote:If you create small pocket of null sec, the mega alliance , will go for it too , you can't just imagine they won't I hope they will just Make Whormole claimable, == put a POS = claim.
More WHs ? Avatar prototype ?please
by your reasoning, WHs are claimable by putting up a POS... you just have to be able to hold it if someone else decides they like it more. And we don't need more WHs, there are plenty that are sitting with no one in them. |
sycore101
Sensri Union 0f Revolution
56
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Posted - 2013.03.25 14:44:00 -
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They do need more battlecruisers .. the name in itself says battle .. More Battle |
Pelea Ming
Prostitutes Are Always Wlling
17
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Posted - 2013.03.25 14:46:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Aracimia Wolfe wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Roime wrote:That Myrm in the foto could also just be a redesign- it has something funny covering the turret hardpoints. Turret hardpoints are wrong on the current model.
And CCP likes to redesign favourite, iconic hulls instead of the ones that look bad :P
(not saying that the new Mega isn't outrageously awesome) 2 Words: Police Light 3 more Add a Siren In Space No One Can Hear Your Siren
By that reasoning, we shouldn't hear the turret sounds of other ships when we set camera on them :P |
Sylvia Nardieu
Audacity.
8
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Posted - 2013.03.25 14:47:00 -
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Pelea Ming wrote:Sylvia Nardieu wrote:Also I'd love it if signatures you've already probed down were 'kept' after session change, so when I probe stuff down and make bookmarks I don't have to re-scan them. Umm, once you scan something down and bookmark it, you don't have to scan it down again, just warp to the bookmark
I know that , however if for example you live in a wh with 20 active sigs, its very unlikely that you'd be clearing em all out in one day (or one week for what is worth). So, once you probe all bm all those sigs down it would be nice to be able to 'see' those which are still active after some time (say you log off,go for a roam, or what not) by just dropping a single DSP and getting a 100% on them (the already scanned ones). This way you would only need to scan out the new sigs, right now you have to re-scan all bookmarks in order to determine which once are active and which ones are not. And marking down signature names doesn't help as it resets after each DT. I don't live in wh anymore, but I know that when I did, the daily re-scanning routine wasn't all that fun . |
Pelea Ming
Prostitutes Are Always Wlling
17
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Posted - 2013.03.25 14:52:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:Quintessen wrote: Also mining would have to be made fairly engaging if it were replaced with a different mechanic. Something that was mellow, but also rewarding. Pretty colors? Psychedelic clouds, like lava lamps for stoned-out miners?
lmao, cute, I could enjoy something like that for a little while :P |
sycore101
Sensri Union 0f Revolution
56
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Posted - 2013.03.25 14:54:00 -
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What the hell, scaning sites that are already marked takes 20 mins tops, why not just add an active tag to the activated sites.
& A hole with 20 sigs in has way too many sigs. |
sycore101
Sensri Union 0f Revolution
56
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Posted - 2013.03.25 14:55:00 -
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Pelea Ming wrote:silens vesica wrote:Quintessen wrote: Also mining would have to be made fairly engaging if it were replaced with a different mechanic. Something that was mellow, but also rewarding. Pretty colors? Psychedelic clouds, like lava lamps for stoned-out miners? lmao, cute, I could enjoy something like that for a little while :P
You know whats wrong with mining. Solo miners, mack & retrievers which only mine the 10% rocks ,, in the same belt that your gang mining in. Other than that there's nothing wrong with it |
Pelea Ming
Prostitutes Are Always Wlling
17
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Posted - 2013.03.25 14:56:00 -
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Sylvia Nardieu wrote:Pelea Ming wrote:Sylvia Nardieu wrote:Also I'd love it if signatures you've already probed down were 'kept' after session change, so when I probe stuff down and make bookmarks I don't have to re-scan them. Umm, once you scan something down and bookmark it, you don't have to scan it down again, just warp to the bookmark I know that , however if for example you live in a wh with 20 active sigs, its very unlikely that you'd be clearing em all out in one day (or one week for what is worth). So, once you probe all bm all those sigs down it would be nice to be able to 'see' those which are still active after some time (say you log off,go for a roam, or what not) by just dropping a single DSP and getting a 100% on them (the already scanned ones). This way you would only need to scan out the new sigs, right now you have to re-scan all bookmarks in order to determine which once are active and which ones are not. And marking down signature names doesn't help as it resets after each DT. I don't live in wh anymore, but I know that when I did, the daily re-scanning routine wasn't all that fun .
that's not needed, just do a quick full probe launch scan, and any of them that are close to where the bookmarks are will be the old ones :)
The bookmarks do show in space on the scan window, after all, unless you have something strange in your settings down |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3824
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Posted - 2013.03.25 15:01:00 -
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sycore101 wrote:
You know whats wrong with mining. Solo miners, mack & retrievers which only mine the 10% rocks ,, in the same belt that your gang mining in. Other than that there's nothing wrong with it
And who go through an entire system and just do this. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
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Pelea Ming
Prostitutes Are Always Wlling
17
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Posted - 2013.03.25 15:04:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:sycore101 wrote:
You know whats wrong with mining. Solo miners, mack & retrievers which only mine the 10% rocks ,, in the same belt that your gang mining in. Other than that there's nothing wrong with it
And who go through an entire system and just do this. Edit: you can tell they have no idea what they are doing as they will do the 10% Omber even, seemingly not realizing even the regular Scordite is worth more. Clueless by definition.
So gank them, they'll eventually get tired of losing ships |
Xenuria
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
750
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Posted - 2013.03.25 15:06:00 -
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Rengerel en Distel wrote:Blake Gates Heleneto wrote:They may have outdone themselves. I was just thinking how underwhelming it is.
My thoughts exactly. No hats? No graphical improvements? What happened to tessellation? WHERE is the pretty pink dress?
CSM 8 Candidate Philanthropist Polymath Savant Hero |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3824
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Posted - 2013.03.25 15:07:00 -
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Pelea Ming wrote: So gank them, they'll eventually get tired of losing ships
Meh. They usually just move on out here, and are never seen again (or maybe someone is ganking them ?).
I reserve ganking for Ice Bots. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
sycore101
Sensri Union 0f Revolution
56
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Posted - 2013.03.25 15:09:00 -
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I am such an anti-ganking person. I got ganked the other day just doing my thing .. i got so raged i quickly scanned system, found a wh & sitting there was a caracal waiting for a bit of action. Possibly scouting .. but anyhow he was there .. in space with full on fighting .. but no gankers have to exist just for sure annoyance. |
Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
74
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Posted - 2013.03.25 15:10:00 -
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Xenuria wrote:Rengerel en Distel wrote:Blake Gates Heleneto wrote:They may have outdone themselves. I was just thinking how underwhelming it is. My thoughts exactly. No hats? No graphical improvements? What happened to tessellation? WHERE is the pretty pink dress?
Did you actually watch the video? They quite clearly said there would be graphical improvements. |
Quintessen
Jalepeno Self Sabatoge
52
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Posted - 2013.03.25 15:12:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Quintessen wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Quintessen wrote:
E.g. a way to make the scanner strategic and automatic would be to allow the user to "optimize" for a certain size range and distance. Perhaps they come at a balance. You can extend your range and only see very large ships or that there are a large number of ships within some X amount of distance, but then you miss out on smaller hulls. Maybe you shorten up your range considerably to see all sizes of hulls but you only get a few thousand kilometers of range.
Just a btw: I believe we are discussing Core Scanner Exploration Probing and that aspect mentioned in the Odyssey ad and presentation, which can't even see ships. EDIT: maybe a bit has been brought in about d-scan, but d-scanning ships has nothing to do at all with skills. I was specifically referring to the point about 'being too lazy to d-scan'. For me it's not about laziness. Having to hit it every X seconds is the definition of tedium. It reminds me of Homer Simpson's job which apparently was hitting a button every X seconds. Any mechanic that can be done with one of those little birds that bops up and down continuously is a bad mechanic. But one has to hit it constantly, as the 'situation in system' can change....constantly. There is no 'fix' for that reality.
That's why I was referring to making it something that you don't have to click on constantly -- i.e. automation -- but does require thinking. |
Pelea Ming
Prostitutes Are Always Wlling
17
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Posted - 2013.03.25 15:12:00 -
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sycore101 wrote:I am such an anti-ganking person. I got ganked the other day just doing my thing .. i got so raged i quickly scanned system, found a wh & sitting there was a caracal waiting for a bit of action. Possibly scouting .. but anyhow he was there .. in space with full on fighting .. but no gankers have to exist just for sure annoyance.
I'm not much for ganking myself, but that's only because I have this odd preference to avoid losing ships if I can :P |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Drunk 'n' Disorderly
627
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Posted - 2013.03.25 15:13:00 -
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So odyssey...and "Deep throat" is really of the table?
"Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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Pelea Ming
Prostitutes Are Always Wlling
17
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Posted - 2013.03.25 15:13:00 -
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Rebecha Pucontis wrote:Xenuria wrote:Rengerel en Distel wrote:Blake Gates Heleneto wrote:They may have outdone themselves. I was just thinking how underwhelming it is. My thoughts exactly. No hats? No graphical improvements? What happened to tessellation? WHERE is the pretty pink dress? Did you actually watch the video? They quite clearly said there would be graphical improvements.
graphical improvements don't mean that much to those of us who have to run them at minimums anyways due to system resource limitations (though that will be changing in a few more months when I finally upgrade my piece of ****, woot!) |
sycore101
Sensri Union 0f Revolution
56
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Posted - 2013.03.25 15:38:00 -
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Pelea Ming wrote:Rebecha Pucontis wrote:Xenuria wrote:Rengerel en Distel wrote:Blake Gates Heleneto wrote:They may have outdone themselves. I was just thinking how underwhelming it is. My thoughts exactly. No hats? No graphical improvements? What happened to tessellation? WHERE is the pretty pink dress? Did you actually watch the video? They quite clearly said there would be graphical improvements. graphical improvements don't mean that much to those of us who have to run them at minimums anyways due to system resource limitations (though that will be changing in a few more months when I finally upgrade my piece of ****, woot!)
Totally in the same boat as you .. although an actual graphics card to buy .. maybe a cheap 500 series would do as i have a feeling they may release dx12 next year .. eventually. |
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