TEs and TCs give double bonuses to Falloff compared to Optimal, but rigs and implants give the same bonuses. Why not change those?

This is something we do have on our radar, although I can't say for sure exactly when we'll be adjusting it. When we do I can't guarentee that it will be doubling the bonus, we may decide on a different multipler and unify the effects at that level.

Personally I'm not sure this is the right way to go - as I said earlier in the thread I don't know why the optimal bonuses are being taken below their pre-boost levels in order to compensate for issues which seem to be entirely related to short ranged weapons and falloff.

And what is the point of modifying the TEs so heavily if a modification to rigs, which provides a greater weight to falloff, then returns things to the way they are anyway?

The problem with turrets in general- is this:

Long range turrets are simply not viable for small gang / solo pvp. The tracking and fitting is just so bad that your weapon system becomes unplayable. That is where short range turrets come in. They have the tracking to still be effective- and with old TE's could still be some what usable when applying damage.

Personally I think that CCP needs to introduce three turrets for each race. A 'short range' a 'medium range' and 'long range'

Currently the medium range turrets are simply bastardized versions of the short range. So much of a ships fitting room is poured into making a short range turret that is effective at a medium range. CCP should take a step back from extremes ie. blaster / rail and auto / arty and create some type of middile ground. This would help small gang and solo players, as well as possibly making more ships viable / playable will different fitting styles.

I feel sorry for the people that have years vested in this game I just started, thank God! From the mass of opinions stated, I agree it is dumbing down the game. As a NOOB Min I started out with the Hurricane nerfs and now this. I huddle in terror to think what is next. I do think there is a disconnect with the programmers and the actual consumer. I was looking forward to just defending wormholes with 210ish days training. I thank CCP for letting me know ahead of time of these changes so I can un-sub and look at this game a few years in the future when all the nerfs are done and things have settled down. It's extremely hard to train for anything with stuff changing for the worse. So, with much ado, I will regrettably return to my free to play games in which I expect such such things, not pay for bad newsit seems every month. This isn't a rage quit, since I haven't did much other than train and buy plex from CCP. They seem not to want my business, oh well. I don't feel the need to renew my sub either With pay games there needs to be an economic statement of our disapproval. Thanks to all the pilots that gave me advice, No hard feelings, just time to move on before I train for 6 months only to be disappointed.

Holy crap, Gargantoi. Your wall of text is a massive eyesore. People will read what you have to say if you put forth the effort to make that readable.

See, I have no problem using up most of my fitting to slap on "medium" range turrets, since I fly faster kite ships which tend not to have tank anyway. The problem I'm seeing with this nerf is that now we'll be forced to either snipe outside of point range OR brawl, at least if you fly solo.

Solo is already hard enough, which is why so many solo PvPers tend towards kiting so they can always disengage when the blob starts coming. With this TE nerf things will be a bit more difficult; I won't say "solo/smallgang PvP will die" because missiles are completely and entirely unaffected by this nerf as well as TDs, but why should solo/smallgang PvPers be forced to use only missiles to be effective?

If I had to suggest anything, yes CCP go ahead and nerf TEs, but allow them to be scripted like TCs to retain some performance. And for the love of all that is pixelated please look over the imbalance in performance between turrets and missiles. While it is true that missiles are not often found in huge fleets because they take time to reach a target, they are amazing in smaller fleets or for solo since one need not worry about their tracking or range being TD'd.

this is stupid we dont need a TE nerf!!!

gonna miss my talos

This does really hurt minmatar any plans to try and make it less pain for people who fly minmatar?

You are all getting it wrong....


This isnt a nerf to Turrets, this is a buff for Launchers!!!

they nerfed the Launcher range a bit ago, so now they nerf the Turrets range again. making the missile OP again....

Keep up the good work CCP. The nano facerollers tears are an indication that you are doing a good job, they simply can't see the big picture.

Keep up the good work CCP. The nano facerollers tears are an indication that you are doing a good job, they simply can't see the big picture.

Hey everyone, I'm all caught up on this thread now. Wanted to remind you guys that the TE and RSB changes in their current iteration are on SISI for testing now. Please give your favorite fits a try on SISI with the new module stats and let us know how it feels.

I don't think the TE changes very good. In fact, I don't think the situation with TE's vs TC's have been good since the introduction of scripts. Scripts should have been a fix for sensor boosters and RSD's. Instead, they broke the balance between TC's and TE's whilst becoming a user experience nightmare. Ever since, TE's have been steadily nefered into the ground because of it, steadily increasing imbalances over the value of mids vs lows that haven't really fixed anything. Worse, the weapon systems that it nerfs really didn't need it.

Also, could you give Rise a poke to send some love to the BS threads please?

I completely agree that scripts as a mechanic have pretty terrible user experience. Someday I'd really like to replace them with multi-mode modules that don't require the item. However I disagree that the balance between midlots and lowslots is currently in favour of midlosts (except at the frigate level).

Rise has definitely been watching the battleship threads, just hasn't been posting as much recently. But I expect he'll have more time after he makes his next announcement.

Ever since, TE's have been steadily nefered into the ground because of it

Will there be module rebalancing part two?