CCP make Omen navy issue agile like an minmatar ship; buff it's signature radius, agility and speed, and nerf the same characteristics on a minmatar ship, making ONI faster and more agile than SFI ! Make perfect sense, go forward bunch of...

The NVex...

but the way it is upcoming, it will be more about sustainability and ewar (Hello 1 med 3 small neuts, mwd, capbooster, scram, web, 1600mm or 800mm+MAAR and good tank/gank)

Problem is that you already can do all of that the way it is now. It can do both now but it will only be able to do one with the change. It takes away the one thing that has made drone ships great, flexibility to use them as you see fit, not as it is "suppose" to be.

Not that it matters, I am sure this is a done deal. I don't have the energy to fight it since nothing will change. Additionally I don't fly the Navy Vex or the Domi anymore.... nor will I after the changes.

Nomen is going to cap out so easily.....

Am I the only one that wants to see these get new names and models?

The Exequor and Navy exequor are nothing alike. The Nexequor is more like a Thorax.
Naugoror is more like a Mallus
Osprey... well its more like a Caracal... except there's already one of those... I want to see it changed to a navy moa, and give the caldari a navy hybrid cruiser

Scythe... not really like any of the standard cruisers, but I suppose most like the Belicose, being split weapons and all.

Right now its strange to go from T1 logi, to faction combat cruiser

Hey guys just wanted to let you know that I've caught up on all the posts I'd missed in this thread, thanks for the feedback.

I want to let you all know that these changes are up on SISI now for your testing. The navy cruisers are especially good for sisi testing as the kinds of playstyles they will be best at (solo/small gang) can be tested pretty well with sisi gameplay.

Now that we've got sisi updated I'm making the ship and module balance work my priority for the next two weeks so that we can make sure we get the most polished changes possible released in Odyssey.

This is a good point.
When I look at the Navy Slicer I always wondered why it has a other Name and a slightly other desighn that the Executioner. It also seems to be the only Navy Ship which is unique like that (if I don-¦t mistaken).
Now that some Navy-Ships are completely diffentent from theyr T1-counterparts, why not at least rename them to avoid confusion.

Sorry for my bad english

...This ship is going to be scary.

Scary fat, slow and dead ..

Plated AB fit = fat and slow.
Abysmal tracking and no fight control = dead.

Neuts are ineffectual against buffers and all but laser ships as blasters all have injectors thanks to more mids plus much lower cap usage.
With no real speed or ability to control it even frigs will a major threat as their *new* higher base speeds is enough to defeat M.Pulse tracking even without propulsion .. and three drones are not going to do much of anything.

It looks good on paper, but I fear that the limitations set by current meta game and those inherent in lasers with only three mids will give it a very small niche.

But a super-dense brick with sharp edges and room for a cyno is just what the doctor ordered for bait operations. Jokes on the people who adopt that use when cyno nerfs hits .. provided null doesn't manage to whine themselves out of that one.

The Scythe FI gets two bonusses (bonii, whatever). Count them. One. Two. That's right, two bonusses. However, they each only apply to one weapon system. So fit a single weapon of choice and that weapon system gets ONE bonus. Count it. One. That's right. One bonus.

Fit two different weapon systems in a split formation and each system gets one bonus. Count it. One. That's right. One bonus.

Now look at all the other ships. They get two bonusses for their weapon system.. You fit that weapon system and you get two bonusses. Count them. One. Two. That's right. Two bonusses.

Who did you say was the ******? Ignorance is bliss.

The projectile bonus does not apply to missile systems and the missile damage bonus does not apply to projectiles.

Get rid of the split weapon system and let us have two bonusses for a single weapon, like all the others. Split weapons are old hat.

I thank you.

Edit: Apparently re-tard is a naughty word

The stabber fleet issue does intrigue me as a AB plated ship but AB's need some work as they add too much mass and leave you somewhat vulnerable to webs and neuts.
Also why add mass to it? its mass was fine it was balanced by being short ranged and the lower mass/extra speed helped with AB potential fits.

The caracal and Augoror has lower mass ... that's very strange for continuity i would think.
i think there is room to reduce the mass across the board though.

10% is the equivalent of two normal 5% bonuses. Some people, seriously.

Cant... resist..replying .. to .. troll......

CCP needs to make the bonus to launcher RoF and not launcher damage. Unless theyre saying launchers are inherently better than turrets and thus for a split weapon system ship, its balanced to have 6 launchers vs 8 turrets, all other things being equal

I am curious as to how you define a 'troll', when you use fact distortion to rebuke them.

Nomen: 4 Turrets, 10%/lvl = 6 turrets. Bonus only applies to turrets, limited versatility.
Naug: 3 Turrets, 25%/lvl = 6.75 turrets. Bonus only applies to turrets, limited versatility.
ONI: 4 Launchers, 10%/lvl kinetic / 5%/lvl off-race = 6/5 launchers. Bonus only applies to launchers, limited versatility.
CNI: 6 Launchers, 5% RoF/lvl = 8 launchers. Bonus only applies to launchers, limited versatility.
* Very odd how it is so much better than the other hulls.
Nvex: Drones, not applicable.
Nexeq: 5 Turrets, 5% RoF and Dmg/lvl = 8.33 turrets. Bonus only applies to turrets, limited versatility.
* Very odd how it is so much better than the other hulls.
FIS: 5 Turrets, 5% RoF/lvl = 6.67 turrets. Bonus only applies to turrets, limited versatility.
And the one you moan about;
SFI: 4 turrets/launchers, 10% RoF/lvl / 10%/lvl = 8 turrets/6 launchers. INSANE versatility while being on par with all other hulls regardless of chosen weapon system .. if it should be changed then the RoF on guns should be damage (ie. nerf) to bring it in line.

There is not a single 10% RoF bonus anywhere but on the Scythe, because doubling damage of a T1 hull is unheard of without reducing mount points (ex. navy frigs, NAug). You are getting same damage as the ONI only with all damage types, plus 2.5x the drones plus way more speed PLUS you get more gun damage than the vast majority of hulls that are limited to guns (Same as the Cynabal for Goddess sake!)

What annoys me the most is that there is no explanation as to why Cara, Exeq and Gun Scythe are given that much more damage than the others.

In short: Scythe should be nerfed from proposed configuration as the ability to use either guns or launchers as well or better than the platform specific hulls is broken .. so by all means, give it a 5% damage/5% RoF (no T1 ships has two of the same bonus, so no 10% (5+5) RoF) on four launchers (6.67) with rest made up from superior speed and drones .. will actually make it more balanced.

Cant... resist..replying .. to .. troll...

4 Turrets or Launchers with a 10% damage bonus is a multiplicative bonus i.e. 4 x (1+0.1x5) or 4 x 1.5 ie 6 effective Turrets or Launchers

It is ONE bonus, not Two. One.

RoF on the other hand is a division based buff

4 Turrets with a 10% RoF bonus, fires faster ofcourse i.e. 4 / (1-0.1x5) or 4/0.5 or 8 effective Turrets.

So RoF better than standard Damage bonus - still ONE bonus. Or if you REALLY want to be pedantic a 1.33 bonus (8/6), not Two, but 1.33.

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The launcher Scythe FI is distinctly worse for this reason - its 6 Effective Launchers v/s 8 Effective Turrets.

CCP needs to make the bonus to launcher RoF and not launcher damage. Unless theyre saying launchers are inherently better than turrets and thus for a split weapon system ship, its balanced to have 6 launchers vs 8 turrets, all other things being equal

When reading the Odyssey patch notes, I stumbled over one thing that was NOT in there:

Price change for Navy cruisers in LP stores. Was that an oversight or did the former tier 1 ones (Navy Osprey, Augoror, Scythe, Exequror) indeed NOT get more expensive? (as it is stated for the battleships and was also announced for cruisers before...)
I would have expected LP prices to go up e.g. in FW LP stores from 30k to 45k where the former tier 2 cruisers reside.