Buffing the hull bonus from 7.5% to 10% would do it :) alternatively, buff the medium and large reppers. Since fitting active armor tank means sacrificing damage, and it has a common hard counter (neuts), I honestly see no reason why it shouldn't be more powerful.

Active tanking ftw, it adds an interesting mechanic into PVP and in it's own way complicates combat. Which is a good thing considering the somewhat limited nature of actual ship-to-ship combat mechanics of EVE.

Well instead of just focusing on the active tank bonuses of the hull, look at the foundation of active armor tanking. Instead of trying to patch a sub-par tanking method by tweaking hull bonuses or coming up with gimmicky modules like AAR's. Just fix normal active armor tanking itself and then the hull bonuses will truly shine.

Just because I posted one shield fit doesn't mean thats the only viable way to fly the ship. It was just the best way to achieve the numbers sited above me. Personally, I think active tank brutix is extremely fun and have flown armor and shield variations both quite a bit.

I'm happy to say that currently active armor bonuses are not as valuable as they maybe ought to be. We intend to keep looking at tank balance, and in the mean time we don't want to throw out all the bonuses and just give up on active armor ever having a place in the game.

[Brutix, Brutix fit]

1347m/s - 910dps - 47.9ehp - obviously the range is not as good.

you said it just had to meet 2 of the metrics!

Just because I posted one shield fit doesn't mean thats the only viable way to fly the ship. It was just the best way to achieve the numbers sited above me. Personally, I think active tank brutix is extremely fun and have flown armor and shield variations both quite a bit.

I'm happy to say that currently active armor bonuses are not as valuable as they maybe ought to be. We intend to keep looking at tank balance, and in the mean time we don't want to throw out all the bonuses and just give up on active armor ever having a place in the game.

No. The talos does not need to remove the drones because that is not what the drones do. They don't "blap" jack ****, and chances are they barely have time to even reach the frig and start applying the whopping sub-100 dps before the frig dies. You could happily give drones to all of the t3 bc's and the effect would be the same. They have such amazing dps projection that they will kill most frigs far before their drones can ever reach them to be an issue.

Even if you were to use your 5 hobgobs/warriors against a frig, that was say scramming you, it wouldn't matter because the frig can tank the drones long enough to either kill the drones or kill you with your pitiful tank. In fact it kind of goes to show that you don't know what you're talking about when you talk about damage drones, when anyone with 1/2 a brain will just be using ec-300s anyways, gven that they are the only way that you can hope to run away if you get scrammed.

Again though, the amount of versatility that the drones offer to the talos is fairly minimal.

As has been said time and time again, projecting between 600-1000 dps out to 20-70km in the case of the t3 bc's using short range guns is the real problem. They simply give far too much dps, with an insanely overpowered projection to even be remotely considered balanced. You could nerf the speed down to that of a drake, going 1k/s and it still wouldn't matter for gangs because you are still going to be sitting at between 20-70km projecting insane dps in a ship that costs at most maybe 80-90mil after insurance.

The speed of the t3 bc's helps to exacerbate the problem of the t3 bc's, but the real problem has always and will continue to remain in their damage projection. As I have said before, these changes will do nothing of value to fix them.

. . . and in the mean time we don't want to throw out all the bonuses and just give up on active armor ever having a place in the game.

...But in the mean time you're asking us to throw away one of the bonuses,...

*cough* Amarr laser cap bonus *cough*

We have a lot of stuff in more urgent need of attention, eWar, null sov, large missiles, drone interface are infinitely more important than making 2-3 hulls work "as intended" if you ask me (which you didn't or wouldn't but there it is .

Not as if the Gallente is completely crippled as the bonus is not present on all/most hulls or there is a lack of mids to make shield work. Until armour is sorted, you just have to either use the shield option or limit yourself to engaging 2-3 enemies instead of 5+ at once.

On topic: Is the plan to let the tier3's be the de facto Large Gun snipers? If so then I can't wait to see what roles you have planned for BS

Just compare the DPS of Rails and Tachyons , alsot their trackign if you do not beleive me. Both on unbonused ships of course...

I did, and?

Tachs have a whopping 15% dps advantage over 425mm Rails on unbonused hull (used a Mael), for that you have to burn three times the cap (1.5x after cap bonus) and use 50% more grid.

What you said was true, but most of the weapon systems have caught up with them in both damage and partially range so that lasers are now left as a fittings intensive and cap hungry weapon system with scorch being the only redeeming feature.

I am of Amarr, have flown the golden hulls exclusively (albeit some with Blaster/AC fits ) for 6+ years so believe it or not, I am fully aware of the way the wind has been blowing. Granted, lasers are still get their revision now that missiles (Torp/Cruise changes coming) are the last of remaining three to get sorted although rails still could still do with a little somethingsomething.

Until that revision we'll carry on living our lives leaning on the crutch called Scorch to make it through the days.

But perhaps you right, maybe lasers really are god weapons (as they rightly should be .. AMARR!) and the ships using them is just filtered out of the various killboards and replaced with ac/blaster boats to keep it a secret

In fact, lasers are plain better than projectile weapons (even at close range, even quad light beam are better than 220mm AC). And laser are better than all other weapons at around 5 or 6 km IIRC (for small & medium weapons at least). They have quite a big superiority range in fact, the only problem being the ability to use this superiority range.

And most of the time, what amarr ships lack in dps, they get it in tank.

In the end, I think a TD would serve the amarr way better than a web, because that would give them the tracking superiority they lack in duel.

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I don't even know how to respond to that..

maybe because mathematically he IS right

Put Mega Pulses and 800mm AC on a 2 rocks and fire at each other and guess wich one will win?

That before or after you allow for all the stuff that is possible due to fittings/cap disparity, that is twin large neuts and more tank than reasonable on the AC fit?

He is right about the TD remark though, but then again everyone can and do benefit from those so not sure why it is even in there .. perhaps a nod towards the people wanting an extra mid on some laser hulls.

maybe because mathematically he IS right

Put Mega Pulses and 800mm AC on a 2 rocks and fire at each other and guess wich one will win?

Yes and conflag/void/hail are the best ammo types for ALL situation because they get the BEZT DPZ! Looking at EFT numbers is pointless if you don't understand them.

EDIT: also large (pulse, beams are still terrible on everything other than nightmares) lasers are good because battleships have half a billion slots/fittings to fit stuff to compensate for their weakness. Medium and small? not so much

Not based on EFT, based on my experience fighting with both ammar , minmatar battleships.

Amarr battleships ARE superior.. the problem is.. currently Battleships have not much use...

The Tornado is heavier than the Caldari and Amarr ships?? Can someone please explain to me the new Minmatar design philosophy here? It seems increased signature, mass and reduced speed is the new order of the day for minmatar ships.