Just noticed the drone stats on the raven 50m3 bay 75mbit bandwidth. Is this a typo? I just can't imagine how all that bandwidth could be used up, unless I am missing something, I am not that heavy a drone user so I may be wrong.

These new tier4 battlecruisers are cool but where are the real battleships?

But really, now with the faction battlecruisers it's getting pretty cramped in there to balance everything without stomping on the shoes of others...

It would also help giving feedback on the Raven if we knew the current state of thinking on introducing missile "tracking computer" mods and the missile disruptor ewar (please god don't just give a missile disruption effect to tracking disruptors, even via a script).

Alright, the scorpion blows, and I only have 1 suggestion which is kinda a long shot. Give the scorpion 4 launchers or 4 turrets or a mix and give it 8 high slots.
Then give the Scorpion 5 lows and 6 mids.
Then change the ECM module to be a high slot module.

Then redo the Falcon, Rook, Blackbird, Griffin, and tengu (ecm tengu lol) to also have lots of highslots.

Then the scorp can actually tank itself.

nobody can balance a ship where you dont know what weapons can it fit , ccp have to revisit raven typhoon after large missile fix

oh and i dont think there should be any missile disruption at all , just like there shouldnt be modules that directly boost missiles,
makeing everything the same is bad

and still i think raven should have better sensor range , it has 75km laughable for a ship and race specialized in long range warfare

Once upon a time, no one ever fitted Cruise Missiles on a Raven, only Torps.

The proposed new Raven will be a moderate improvement as a CML platform, and a huge improvement as a Torp platform. Whatever the Raven was designed for, it is going to be designed as a fast attack torpedo ship. And a very fine thing too.

Raven:

Very sad to see the loss of the second utility high. I find it extremely useful but I may be in the minority in this opinion. I would have prefered losing the 5th low slot for a mid with a CPU/PG boost so that you don't HAVE to fit a fitting mod.

I've been running the numbers on the Raven vs the Typhoon and come to the conclusion that the Typhoon is a better version of the Raven?

Typhoon:
Slots: 7/5/7 (this is huge - those lows mean way more BCS or Power relays)
HP: 6500/6000/6000
Weapons: 6 Launchers
Bonuses: 5% ROF/5% explosion velocity (even more damage)
Cap: 5400
Drone: 100/100

Raven:
Slots: 7/7/5
HP:7000/5800/6400
Weapons: 6 Launchers
Bonuses: 5% ROF/10% Velocity
Cap: 5500
Drone: 50/75 (well at least it can still use 5 mediums still)

My question to the DEV is what will set the Raven apart from the Typhoon as a special role/bonus, given that it's the Caldari's main missile boat? To be honest, we don't need extra range for cruise missiles - they already easily are longer than the thing can possibly target. 200KM almost. Given the flight time, missiles aren't really, um... sniper weapons.

Please give the Raven some sort of bonus that makes it different in a meaningful way. I'd suggest dropping the Cruise Missile bonuses and making it a dedicated torpedo boat that makes torpedos a special option for it (say a 15% velocity mod to give it enough range to do missions)

Torpedos have no love as it is and they are relegated to station and bubble bashing. Their range even with mods is just barely over 30K, making them useless for missions as rats sit at 45km, typically (at least the larger ones that drones can't clear by themselves)

Ugh, is there any point to battleships as they stand anymore with the Faction BC's that are coming out? They are cheaper, and are about as powerful, but can hit more things on the field. I mean, honestly. First the tank nerf, then this! It's like CCP thinks the way to balance BS's is to make them unplayable.

I hate to do the soonTM thing, but Fozzie should be making a post soon (I'm not sure if that means today or tomorrow or what) about the Rokh/Abaddon resistance bonus tweak, so just watch for that.

Welcome to the Tech 1 Battleship rebalance, fasten your seatbelts!

Rokh:

The Rokh, like most of the former tier 3 battleships, is in a very healthy place currently. It hasn't been changed, except for a tweak to the resist bonus. This change is significant, and we are going to dedicate an entire thread to discussing the power of resistance bonuses later in the day. If you want to talk about this bonus here, in relation to the Rokh specifically, feel free. The general idea from our end is that the current bonus to resistance is one of the most powerful ship bonuses in the game. It adds to the power of local tanks (active and passive) as well as remote tanks, which has consistently positioned ships with this bonus at the center of some of the most powerful gameplay available. We feel that the Rokh is a good example of this powerful gameplay, and expect it to thrive despite this change.

Caldari Battleship Skill Bonuses:
+10% to large Hybrid Turret optimal range
+4% Shield resistances per level (-1% per level)

Slot layout: 8H, 6M, 5L; 8 turrets , 4 launchers
Fittings: 15000 PWG, 780 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 8500 / 7000 / 7500
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / recharge per second) : 6000 / 1250s / 4.8
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 89 / .136 / 105300000 / 19.85s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50 / 50
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 90km / 75 / 7
Sensor strength: 24 Gravimetric
Signature radius: 500

Once upon a time, no one ever fitted Cruise Missiles on a Raven, only Torps.

I see a lot of discussion about large missiles overall. I can't give you guys a whole bunch of details right now, because honestly we don't have them quite pinned down yet, but I'll tell you two things now which will hopefully be encouraging: cruise missiles will get a buff (most likely related to their damage), and at least some of the work for battleship missiles will make it into Odyssey.