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Aglais
Liberation Army Li3 Federation
232
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Posted - 2013.04.25 07:35:00 -
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Morrigan LeSante wrote:Only just noticed the Raven losing drone bandwidth. Really? That's not necessary,
What did you do with the extra bandwidth? It changes literally nothing; you can still run a complete flight of medium or light drones. Unless you were... Using heavy drones for some reason? Even though five mediums do more damage than that and are faster, IIRC. |

Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
680
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Posted - 2013.04.25 09:50:00 -
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With 75 m3 you could do the 2-2-1 trick, that gives more damage than five meds. I've always prefered a flight of meds and a flight of small, split between damage and dishonour, though. |

Jonas Sukarala
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
109
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Posted - 2013.04.25 11:00:00 -
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btw CCP 420 sig radius is hardly useful on an attack battleship considering battleship guns start at 400...... plus shield rigs/extenders...
considering most caldari ships shield tank it is odd that they need to have such a high sig radius to begin with.....??/ 'Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line' CCP Ytterbium Nerf missile range into place..... where is the TD missile change?-á ,...projectiles should use capacitor. |

Morrigan LeSante
The Lost and Forgotten Troopers
251
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Posted - 2013.04.25 11:09:00 -
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Aglais wrote:Morrigan LeSante wrote:Only just noticed the Raven losing drone bandwidth. Really? That's not necessary, What did you do with the extra bandwidth? It changes literally nothing; you can still run a complete flight of medium or light drones. Unless you were... Using heavy drones for some reason? Even though five mediums do more damage than that and are faster, IIRC.
Three bouncers.
On stuff like pirate invasion and other semi-static missions (i.e. everything without a massive gate crawl) they were a nice source of supplemental DPS which was much more survivable than other drone types. |

Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
680
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Posted - 2013.04.25 12:27:00 -
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Jonas Sukarala wrote:btw CCP considering most caldari ships shield tank it is odd that they need to have such a high sig radius to begin with.....??/
Why is it odd? It's supposed to be a racial theme, in the same way that many Amarr ships are really slow even before slapping trimarks and plates on. Giving them small sigs that are then bloomed by rigs/extenders to intermediate levels is just a method of homogenisation across races. Don't go down that route, keep distinct racial advantages and disadvantages. |

Mike Whiite
Cupid Stunts. Casoff
178
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Posted - 2013.04.25 12:56:00 -
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Gypsio III wrote:Jonas Sukarala wrote:btw CCP considering most caldari ships shield tank it is odd that they need to have such a high sig radius to begin with.....??/ Why is it odd? It's supposed to be a racial theme, in the same way that many Amarr ships are really slow even before slapping trimarks and plates on. Giving them small sigs that are then bloomed by rigs/extenders to intermediate levels is just a method of homogenisation across races. Don't go down that route, keep distinct racial advantages and disadvantages.
That is not entirely true, lots of armor ships are faster than Caldari ships as a base hull and there are several ships that have bigger sig rating as a base hull.
the oracle is faster than the Naga and the Talos has a bigger sig rating than the Naga as a base, this patern is found through out the shiplines
Though the Mega has a smaller sig than the Raven and the Apoc is just as fast as the Raven.
there seems an inconsistancy here. |

Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
313
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Posted - 2013.04.25 16:12:00 -
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Gypsio III wrote:Jonas Sukarala wrote:btw CCP considering most caldari ships shield tank it is odd that they need to have such a high sig radius to begin with.....??/ Why is it odd? It's supposed to be a racial theme, in the same way that many Amarr ships are really slow even before slapping trimarks and plates on. Giving them small sigs that are then bloomed by rigs/extenders to intermediate levels is just a method of homogenisation across races. Don't go down that route, keep distinct racial advantages and disadvantages. Rofl so having a disadvantage without anything to compensate is racial theme? Btw why minmatar ships are so small other than racial theme? They dont have less hp , weapons or anything, so why they need to get this advantage over the other races? It wouldnt be such a bs ,if they got an advantage also to compensate it ,but nothing there.
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Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
313
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Posted - 2013.04.25 16:13:00 -
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Mike Whiite wrote:Gypsio III wrote:Jonas Sukarala wrote:btw CCP considering most caldari ships shield tank it is odd that they need to have such a high sig radius to begin with.....??/ Why is it odd? It's supposed to be a racial theme, in the same way that many Amarr ships are really slow even before slapping trimarks and plates on. Giving them small sigs that are then bloomed by rigs/extenders to intermediate levels is just a method of homogenisation across races. Don't go down that route, keep distinct racial advantages and disadvantages. That is not entirely true, lots of armor ships are faster than Caldari ships as a base hull and there are several ships that have bigger sig rating as a base hull. the oracle is faster than the Naga and the Talos has a bigger sig rating than the Naga as a base, this patern is found through out the shiplines Though the Mega has a smaller sig than the Raven and the Apoc is just as fast as the Raven. there seems an inconsistancy here. It is completly consistant , matar get advantage , caldari disadvantage . Biased devs thats all. |

Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
313
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Posted - 2013.04.25 16:15:00 -
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Aglais wrote:Morrigan LeSante wrote:Only just noticed the Raven losing drone bandwidth. Really? That's not necessary, What did you do with the extra bandwidth? It changes literally nothing; you can still run a complete flight of medium or light drones. Unless you were... Using heavy drones for some reason? Even though five mediums do more damage than that and are faster, IIRC. It doesnt matter what he did with the extra bandwidth. Changes nothing then why do it? It actually changes ,it is another unneded nerf for caldari. |

Bouh Revetoile
TIPIAKS
307
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Posted - 2013.04.25 16:25:00 -
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Naomi Knight wrote:It doesnt matter what he did with the extra bandwidth. Changes nothing then why do it? It actually changes ,it is another unneded nerf for caldari. Honestly, raven will need a lot of nerf to compensate for the cruise missiles buff they just received. Not that it need for all the buff to be compensated, but it still end a LOT higher than it was. |

Morrigan LeSante
The Lost and Forgotten Troopers
251
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Posted - 2013.04.25 21:24:00 -
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So I'm wondering....why is the caldari thread about 1/2-1/4 the length of the other races?
Have the caldari boats landed well, or is it simply less people fly them in anger so there are fewer voices commenting? |

Drake Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
155
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Posted - 2013.04.25 22:08:00 -
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I think the scorp should be the disruptir equivalent to the geddon, a good ewar bonus along with a dps bonus. "The homogenization of EVE began when Gallente and Caldari started sharing a weapon system."-Vermaak Doe |

Aglais
Liberation Army Li3 Federation
232
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Posted - 2013.04.25 22:18:00 -
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Morrigan LeSante wrote:So I'm wondering....why is the caldari thread about 1/2-1/4 the length of the other races?
Have the caldari boats landed well, or is it simply less people fly them in anger so there are fewer voices commenting?
Arguably, the Caldari battleships (especially the Raven) are almost the worst off. The reason I think nobody is voicing their opinions is, I'm pretty sure, that everyone who 'cares' has no problems with this because it barely effects the Raven's PvE capabilities, and as a result, the PvE near-bots who would be flying all of these ravens in L4s really have nothing to say.
And then the Raven was still somewhat subpar for PvP even though it's in a slightly better position than before. Not enough has been done to address it's problems. |

Bucca Zerodyme
Good For Nothing Corporation Union of Independence
9
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Posted - 2013.04.26 01:12:00 -
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Aglais wrote:Morrigan LeSante wrote:So I'm wondering....why is the caldari thread about 1/2-1/4 the length of the other races?
Have the caldari boats landed well, or is it simply less people fly them in anger so there are fewer voices commenting? Arguably, the Caldari battleships (especially the Raven) are almost the worst off. The reason I think nobody is voicing their opinions is, I'm pretty sure, that everyone who 'cares' has no problems with this because it barely effects the Raven's PvE capabilities, and as a result, the PvE near-bots who would be flying all of these ravens in L4s really have nothing to say. And then the Raven was still somewhat subpar for PvP even though it's in a slightly better position than before. Not enough has been done to address it's problems.
Actually the main problem with the raven is not the ship, but the weapon it uses. For PvE the Raven doesnt change much, it has less EHP, but ravens in PvE are usually active tanked. For PvE the raven doesnt really get better or worse, the 7th midslot is nice for the raven, but i doesnt need it on my raven. The range-bonus is a bit silly for cruise and torps need about 50% more range to make the bonus good on the raven.
For PvP, the raven is just a really bad choice. - It cant sniper, missiles have delay and you can probed fast. - Brawler doesnt work, because you has bad tank - Missiles in generally have a bad dmg application - Torps dont have enough range - Typhoon is almost better in any way.
Dunno about the other ships, didnt used them so often atm. |

Kenshi Hanshin
Karl XII's Dragoner Apocalypse Now.
34
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Posted - 2013.04.26 02:15:00 -
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Scorpion is worthless despite changes due to problems with ECM mechanics.
Rohk is getting nerf with respect to tank which is one of the only things going for it.
However, nobody really flies Caldari for PvP. Therefore, there is less of the hell-brimstone as with Amarr. There are just fewer people that care. |

Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
313
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Posted - 2013.04.26 05:37:00 -
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Morrigan LeSante wrote:So I'm wondering....why is the caldari thread about 1/2-1/4 the length of the other races?
Have the caldari boats landed well, or is it simply less people fly them in anger so there are fewer voices commenting? Cause years on neglection made caldari the least used race for pvp,except maybe tengu , exdrake , rokh,falcon. And look at what ccp does, nerfing the caldari ships that are being used ,good bye drake ,good bye ecm ships , soon good bye rokh.
It is clear that devs are biased against caldari, why would they make the raven just a poor typhoon? Or keeping scorpion so crappy. Or the best ,t1 battlecruiser balance ferox , they even said that the ferox will be crap with rails and still did nothing to make it viable. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
8844
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Posted - 2013.04.26 19:14:00 -
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Just a heads up, but no one will stop using the Rokh because of a 5% EHP nerf. Or the Drake, come to that.
Hope this helped you more than hyperbole is helping your credibility. Malcanis' Law:-á "Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of 'new players', that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players."
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Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
682
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Posted - 2013.04.26 19:55:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Just a heads up, but no one will stop using the Rokh because of a 5% EHP nerf. Or the Drake, come to that.
Hope this helped you more than hyperbole is helping your credibility.
It's Naomi, the sky is always falling on her, it's just so unfair and it's all CCP's fault...  |

Morrigan LeSante
The Lost and Forgotten Troopers
251
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Posted - 2013.04.26 20:41:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Just a heads up, but no one will stop using the Rokh because of a 5% EHP nerf. Or the Drake, come to that.
Hope this helped you more than hyperbole is helping your credibility.
True, but certainly for the drake, that is /nothing/ to do with the resists and everything to do with how much it overshadows the crappy ferox. The is broadly true for the rokh too. |

Hagika
LEGI0N
16
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Posted - 2013.04.27 06:08:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Just a heads up, but no one will stop using the Rokh because of a 5% EHP nerf. Or the Drake, come to that.
Hope this helped you more than hyperbole is helping your credibility.
Are you hinting that caldari is actually good in pvp? Tengu,Drake..The missile system that made them worth while was just nerfed and with the resist nerf, it will be another nerf on top.
Drakes are no longer the most used PVP ship and Rokh isnt widely used. Tengu has limited uses with cost and you will never have a 100 man falcon fleet.
So considering every ship in the caldari line up is out shined by other races. The missile system is garbage for long range and the torps suck. While finally cruise missiles are getting a buff after oh 7 years?
Im struggling to see where caldari is so good. In terms of number of ships used in PVP, they are the least used race, one battleship is viable yet, you can will find the other races battle ships are better.
Their Hac's are garbage, worst of all races,recons are very limited. The most widely used battle cruiser for ease of new places to get involved into large fleet pvp is no longer number 1.
So where does that leave us? Oh wait, no where. The drake was caldari's only large number pvp ship.
Of the top 10 most used ships in pvp, caldari had 1...
From a lore of superior shield systems and weapon systems, they are the worst race to use and least used in game...Yea how about those caldari. |

Hagika
LEGI0N
16
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Posted - 2013.04.27 06:19:00 -
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Kenshi Hanshin wrote:Scorpion is worthless despite changes due to problems with ECM mechanics.
Rohk is getting nerf with respect to tank which is one of the only things going for it.
However, nobody really flies Caldari for PvP. Therefore, there is less of the hell-brimstone as with Amarr. There are just fewer people that care.
Thats pretty much it in a nutshell. So many people who started caldari went on to fly other races ships because caldari ships in general suck..
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Hagika
LEGI0N
16
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Posted - 2013.04.27 06:27:00 -
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Morrigan LeSante wrote:So I'm wondering....why is the caldari thread about 1/2-1/4 the length of the other races?
Have the caldari boats landed well, or is it simply less people fly them in anger so there are fewer voices commenting?
Not many people fly them anymore. The Raven was used for pve because it was garbage for pvp while the Rokh gets some use in pvp. The drake used to be the most common pvp ship because it was noob friendly and heavy missiles though sucky in dps, could be projected for awesome range, the weapon system took a nerf bat and now it no longer is number 1.
The Naga is alright but the Talos can still snipe just not as far but still provide superior dps and a set of small drones to help fend off frigs. Once you hit 150km out, probers will have you scanned down in seconds and its over. The Talos can easily snipe to 150.
So even the noob Goon pilots could jump in one and they were useful.
Falcon has limited use, and though caldari has a few decent frig hulls, they are still lacking compared to others.
So thats i |

Nikuno
Atomic Heroes The G0dfathers
130
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Posted - 2013.04.27 07:13:00 -
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Hagika wrote:
The Naga is alright but the Talos can still snipe just not as far but still provide superior dps and a set of small drones to help fend off frigs. Once you hit 150km out, probers will have you scanned down in seconds and its over. The Talos can easily snipe that distance if needed.
and yet it's the naga that fills that role, not the Talos. All those silly people getting it wrong. They should just listen to you instead. |

Jitoru
The Confederation of Eves good Knights Destiny's Call
5
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Posted - 2013.04.27 12:32:00 -
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Hey there, wanted to make following Suggestions for the Bonuses of Caldari ships:
Raven: (not touching her, think the bonuses are fine)
Rokh: +10% optimal Range/level +5% Large Hybrid WEapon damage
or: -2 Turrets +10% optimal Range/level +10% Large Hybrid Weapon Damage ________________________________
Scorpion: 6 Turrets +5%/level Large Hybrid Weapon Damage /Rate of fire (choose one) +4%/level Shield Resistance (5% would be my aim, but you wanted to change the resistance bonuses) Role Bonus: 50% increased ECM Range
What do you guys think?
have a nice day
Jitoru |

elitatwo
Congregatio
76
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Posted - 2013.04.27 13:34:00 -
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I remember that the Scorpion used to be a turret boat and she got the ecm later.
And I already stated they should give her either the turret slots or launcher hardpoints back to make it a ballteship again - a large boat with guns or missiles on it that hurt other ships not pockes them in the eyes.
But Kil2 and Fozzie are at the Fanfest and none of them reads the forums until next week, so wen won't get any response from them until then. |

Drake Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
165
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Posted - 2013.04.27 15:04:00 -
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Jitoru wrote:Hey there, wanted to make following Suggestions for the Bonuses of Caldari ships:
Raven: (not touching her, think the bonuses are fine)
Rokh: +10% optimal Range/level +5% Large Hybrid WEapon damage
or: -2 Turrets +10% optimal Range/level +10% Large Hybrid Weapon Damage ________________________________
Scorpion: 6 Turrets +5%/level Large Hybrid Weapon Damage /Rate of fire (choose one) +4%/level Shield Resistance (5% would be my aim, but you wanted to change the resistance bonuses) Role Bonus: 50% increased ECM Range
What do you guys think?
have a nice day
Jitoru
I'm fine with the scorpion but in your case with the rohk, the Hyperion would need a slightly higher damage increase per level to distinguish the ships to their intended roles.
"The homogenization of EVE began when Gallente and Caldari started sharing a weapon system."-Vermaak Doe |

Hagika
LEGI0N
23
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Posted - 2013.04.27 16:24:00 -
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Nikuno wrote:Hagika wrote:
The Naga is alright but the Talos can still snipe just not as far but still provide superior dps and a set of small drones to help fend off frigs. Once you hit 150km out, probers will have you scanned down in seconds and its over. The Talos can easily snipe that distance if needed.
and yet it's the naga that fills that role, not the Talos. All those silly people getting it wrong. They should just listen to you instead. 
A fat kid can throw on running shoes and fill the rolls of an olympic runner, doesnt mean you would pic him over the olympic runner.
A Raven can fill a snipe roll with cruise missiles over another sniper ship..Would you actually do it? No... Which bring me to the original point.. Best ship for the job and guess what? Caldari does not have those.
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Kenshi Hanshin
Karl XII's Dragoner Apocalypse Now.
41
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Posted - 2013.04.27 16:26:00 -
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Hagika wrote:Morrigan LeSante wrote:So I'm wondering....why is the caldari thread about 1/2-1/4 the length of the other races?
Have the caldari boats landed well, or is it simply less people fly them in anger so there are fewer voices commenting? Not many people fly them anymore. The Raven was used for pve because it was garbage for pvp while the Rokh gets some use in pvp. The drake used to be the most common pvp ship because it was noob friendly and heavy missiles though sucky in dps, could be projected for awesome range, the weapon system took a nerf bat and now it no longer is number 1. Goonswarm found use in the drake and took it from a seldom used pvp ship to a giant ball of caldari death, because of this, and with their numbers it worked well for them. Then a bunch of cry babies complained how the drake was over powered yet it had not been touched by the devs for years and when creativity came about it suddenly became unfair. The Naga is alright but the Talos can still snipe just not as far but still provide superior dps and a set of small drones to help fend off frigs. Once you hit 150km out, probers will have you scanned down in seconds and its over. The Talos can easily snipe that distance if needed. Falcon has limited use, and though caldari has a few decent frig hulls, they are still lacking compared to others. So thats pretty much it. Dont ask about caldari Hac's, they are the worst in game and undocking in an Eagle will either get you laughed at because will think you are joking about bringing it to fleet or they will just outright kick you for trying to use it.
No alliance will field them except for Goonswarm as they have the isk and numbers to maybe pull it off. The rest of us, they are worthless hulls just like 99% of Caldari ships. I don't fly a drake anymore, can't get enough damage on target to justify it. Rohk I can fly but won't with the changes they are doing. As that 5% of EM will severely hurt shield tanking Caldari ships.
If you fly winmatar use Proton, Depleted Uranium or EMP and you got a Caldari ship in the bag. The resistances just won't be high enough to allow for a feasible tank. |

Kenshi Hanshin
Karl XII's Dragoner Apocalypse Now.
41
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Posted - 2013.04.27 16:32:00 -
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Drake Doe wrote:Jitoru wrote:Hey there, wanted to make following Suggestions for the Bonuses of Caldari ships:
Raven: (not touching her, think the bonuses are fine)
Rokh: +10% optimal Range/level +5% Large Hybrid WEapon damage
or: -2 Turrets +10% optimal Range/level +10% Large Hybrid Weapon Damage ________________________________
Scorpion: 6 Turrets +5%/level Large Hybrid Weapon Damage /Rate of fire (choose one) +4%/level Shield Resistance (5% would be my aim, but you wanted to change the resistance bonuses) Role Bonus: 50% increased ECM Range
What do you guys think?
have a nice day
Jitoru I'm fine with the scorpion but in your case with the rohk, the Hyperion would need a slightly higher damage increase per level to distinguish the ships to their intended roles.
Regardless if the resistance bonus is reduced Caldari ships must have a buff to their base shield HP. Otherwise the result is a nerf to their tanking. Which is not exactly up to snuff when it comes to PvP. As has been said before, so much for the Caldari (lore) of having advanced shield and weapon systems... |

Hagika
LEGI0N
23
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Posted - 2013.04.27 18:11:00 -
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Morrigan LeSante wrote:Malcanis wrote:Just a heads up, but no one will stop using the Rokh because of a 5% EHP nerf. Or the Drake, come to that.
Hope this helped you more than hyperbole is helping your credibility. True, but certainly for the drake, that is /nothing/ to do with the resists and everything to do with how much it overshadows the crappy ferox. The is broadly true for the rokh too.
So given that those ships are over shadowed, we instead nerf the working ones to their level in order to make them look better? I am really trying to figure out that train of thought, seriously that just continues the status quo of making caldaris whole line up of ships garbage.
So will people finally be happy when caldari has no real point of being in the game? Because that trend has been mostly true for years now and with the continued pointless nerfs, many people even question why caldari is still a playable race.
Being that lore states caldari as superior shield and weapon systems which is certainly not true in any aspect.
ECM is the last thing that keeps caldari going and its in very limited use and with the constant nerf ECM of nerf Falcon cries, it is also slowly becoming useless.
I fly pretty much gallente with a couple things caldari and Minnie. My other pilot is Amarr spec. I feel bad for caldari pilots, they truly get the shaft.
Then god forbid if anyone questions winmatar superiority, you practically get called a racist for wanting any of their ships tuned down. Its amazing how rust buckets with duct tape do so well and find that minnie ships are pretty much the most used ships in game. |
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