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Royal Executioner Shazih
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.23 15:28:00 -
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Hi everyone. Probably my post will bring a lot of criticism but I want to make a point. Due to ship skills revamp people who train Destroyers V and Battlecriusers V are going to get around 6mil SP. That is fine. But players who dont do that will get nothing.
I propose that players who decided not to train the mentioned skill get partial recompensation (say 30% of the max possible skills). For example, if someone gets zero additional SP from summer expansion he qualifies for 6x0.3 = 2m free SP to allocate. If the player gets 2m SP from summer expansion he qualifies for (6-2)x0.3 = 1,3m free SP to allocate etc.
Some of u will object because we all knew that in advance and could train Destroyers V and Battlecriusers V. BUT while for older players 20-30 days of training is nothing newer players cant afford to spend so much time on 1-2 skills. It gives unfair advantage to older players and players who already have Destroyers V and Battlecriusers V over newer player.
That's why I propose recompensation. |
De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
1292
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Posted - 2013.04.23 15:30:00 -
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Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:Hi everyone. Probably my post will bring a lot of criticism but I want to make a point. Due to ship skills revamp people who train Destroyers V and Battlecriusers V are going to get around 6mil SP. That is fine. But players who dont do that will get nothing.
I propose that players who decided not to train the mentioned skill get partial recompensation (say 30% of the max possible skills). For example, if someone gets zero additional SP from summer expansion he qualifies for 6x0.3 = 2m free SP to allocate. If the player gets 2m SP from summer expansion he qualifies for (6-2)x0.3 = 1,3m free SP to allocate etc.
Some of u will object because we all knew that in advance and could train Destroyers V and Battlecriusers V. BUT while for older players 20-30 days of training is nothing newer players cant afford to spend so much time on 1-2 skills. It gives unfair advantage to older players and players who already have Destroyers V and Battlecriusers V over newer player.
That's why I propose recompensation.
So let me get this right -
You want a reward for failing to plan ahead for a change that has been announced for at least 6 - 9 months.
How about No? Does No work for you? Malcanis for CSM 8
Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain. Twitter --á@DeVeldrin |
Dave Stark
2767
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Posted - 2013.04.23 15:35:00 -
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and ******** thread of the day goes to... OP, congratulations! |
Neptune Phantom
Dissent.
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Posted - 2013.04.23 15:39:00 -
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Weird, i thought i heard people will be compensated the skillpoints they have trained so far in those catagories.
So if you didnt skill completly up in time for the changes or plan ahead, yes you will get skillpoints. |
Kojee
Hans Landa Foundation
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Posted - 2013.04.23 15:40:00 -
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Yeah... no. This is pretty much ********.
Also, free SP to allocate > SP in a predefined skill imo. |
Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
190
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Posted - 2013.04.23 15:44:00 -
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Wow... I remember asking about having the Mining Barge skill refunded, and that caused many forum flames. But at least that made sense. Asking for this will cause a forum inferno! |
Royal Executioner Shazih
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.23 15:45:00 -
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Kojee wrote:Yeah... no. This is pretty much ********.
Also, free SP to allocate > SP in a predefined skill imo.
U are right, that's why I am talking about partial recompensation |
Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
190
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Posted - 2013.04.23 15:47:00 -
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Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:U are right, that's why I am talking about partial recompensation
Compensation for what exactly?
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Angelique Duchemin
Serenity Prime Kraken.
494
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Posted - 2013.04.23 15:47:00 -
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Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:Hi everyone. Probably my post will bring a lot of criticism but I want to make a point. Due to ship skills revamp people who train Destroyers V and Battlecriusers V are going to get around 6mil SP. That is fine. But players who dont do that will get nothing.
I propose that players who decided not to train the mentioned skill get partial recompensation (say 30% of the max possible skills). For example, if someone gets zero additional SP from summer expansion he qualifies for 6x0.3 = 2m free SP to allocate. If the player gets 2m SP from summer expansion he qualifies for (6-2)x0.3 = 1,3m free SP to allocate etc.
Some of u will object because we all knew that in advance and could train Destroyers V and Battlecriusers V. BUT while for older players 20-30 days of training is nothing newer players cant afford to spend so much time on 1-2 skills. It gives unfair advantage to older players and players who already have Destroyers V and Battlecriusers V over newer player.
That's why I propose recompensation.
It's not free SP. They can fly the same ships as they could before except now their clones cost more. We miss you Saede. |
Sedrie
Apple Industries Inc. Surely You're Joking
23
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Posted - 2013.04.23 15:48:00 -
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2/10 |
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
2635
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Posted - 2013.04.23 15:48:00 -
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I thought I smelled socialism in here.
It all started in the early 20th century when teachers were told to say to kids caught with chewing gum "did you bring enough for everybody?".
I am going to have BC5 trained right before the changes, and then maybe I'll spend some capital gains on beer and steak to celebrate, and I won't be bringing enough for anybody else.
So there. Nyah nyah nyah. |
De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
1292
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Posted - 2013.04.23 15:51:00 -
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Neptune Phantom wrote:Weird, i thought i heard people will be compensated the skillpoints they have trained so far in those catagories.
So if you didnt skill completly up in time for the changes or plan ahead, yes you will get skillpoints.
No, you won't.
The only way you will get skill points reimbursed is if you have somehow managed to train Destroyers or Battlecruisers by themselves with no training in any racial frigate or racial cruiser respectively. Malcanis for CSM 8
Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain. Twitter --á@DeVeldrin |
Royal Executioner Shazih
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.23 15:51:00 -
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Angelique Duchemin wrote:Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:Hi everyone. Probably my post will bring a lot of criticism but I want to make a point. Due to ship skills revamp people who train Destroyers V and Battlecriusers V are going to get around 6mil SP. That is fine. But players who dont do that will get nothing.
I propose that players who decided not to train the mentioned skill get partial recompensation (say 30% of the max possible skills). For example, if someone gets zero additional SP from summer expansion he qualifies for 6x0.3 = 2m free SP to allocate. If the player gets 2m SP from summer expansion he qualifies for (6-2)x0.3 = 1,3m free SP to allocate etc.
Some of u will object because we all knew that in advance and could train Destroyers V and Battlecriusers V. BUT while for older players 20-30 days of training is nothing newer players cant afford to spend so much time on 1-2 skills. It gives unfair advantage to older players and players who already have Destroyers V and Battlecriusers V over newer player.
That's why I propose recompensation. It's not free SP. They can fly the same ships as they could before except now their clones cost more.
But y I am punished for that? Y I have to spend 4x times more than they? Because I am younger? Newer players already heavily disadvantaged |
Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
190
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Posted - 2013.04.23 15:52:00 -
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Even better. I trained BC to level V on an alt even though I am never going to use BC with that character. I have no cruiser skills and am Per and Will remapped so will get lots of lovely free unallocated SP in June on that character. :) |
Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
190
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Posted - 2013.04.23 15:53:00 -
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Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:But y I am punished for that? Y I have to spend 4x times more than they? Because I am younger? Newer players already heavily disadvantaged
How did you work out you are being punished? And again, what exactly is it that you want compensation for? |
Virginia Virdana
Envoy Fast Deployment
35
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Posted - 2013.04.23 15:53:00 -
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Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:I propose that players who decided not to train...
No.
They decided not to train, so they don't get any SP. I decided not to train a whole raft of skills so that I coulld get BC and Destroyers to V. Should I get compensation? No. They say never come to a gunfight armed with a knife.You appear to have come armed with a spoon. |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
578
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Posted - 2013.04.23 15:55:00 -
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So if I create a character 1 day before the expansion I get 2 mil free sp but if I create it 2 days later I get nothing? Seems pretty unfair that vets would get a free pass to fill up their accounts with trained cyno alts and PI industrialists. "I do want to point out one "abuse" thing I did see however. *snipped* Please do not post details of possible exploits on the forums. - CCP Eterne" ... Because of Falcon. |
Royal Executioner Shazih
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.23 15:55:00 -
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Rebecha Pucontis wrote:Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:But y I am punished for that? Y I have to spend 4x times more than they? Because I am younger? Newer players already heavily disadvantaged How did you work out you are being punished? And again, what exactly is it that you want compensation for?
to get all racial BC T2 hulls |
admiral root
Red Galaxy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
503
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Posted - 2013.04.23 15:55:00 -
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Rebecha Pucontis wrote:Wow... I remember asking about having the Mining Barge skill refunded, and that caused many forum flames. But at least that made sense.
It made exactly no sense, as mining barges are still in the game and the skill still affects them. This thread makes just as little sense as we knew about the destroyer / battlecruiser changes last summer and had plenty of time to take appropriate action. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
Dave Stark
2770
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Posted - 2013.04.23 15:56:00 -
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Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:Rebecha Pucontis wrote:Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:But y I am punished for that? Y I have to spend 4x times more than they? Because I am younger? Newer players already heavily disadvantaged How did you work out you are being punished? And again, what exactly is it that you want compensation for? to get all racial BC T2 hulls
if you didn't post a terrible op, followed by answers that make no sense, people might take you more seriously. |
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De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
1293
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Posted - 2013.04.23 15:57:00 -
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Rebecha Pucontis wrote:Even better. I trained BC to level V on an alt even though I am never going to use BC with that character. I have no cruiser skills and am Per and Will remapped so will get lots of lovely free unallocated SP in June on that character. :)
I thought about this, but in what way does this benefit you over just training skills you would have used in the first place, unless it's just to save a remap. You'll only get back the number of skill points you could have trained in that amount of time anyway. Malcanis for CSM 8
Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain. Twitter --á@DeVeldrin |
Virginia Virdana
Envoy Fast Deployment
36
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Posted - 2013.04.23 15:57:00 -
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Royal Executioner Shazih wrote: But y I am punished for that? Y I have to spend 4x times more than they? Because I am younger? Newer players already heavily disadvantaged
The only thing you are being "punished" for is your lack of forward planning They say never come to a gunfight armed with a knife.You appear to have come armed with a spoon. |
Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
190
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Posted - 2013.04.23 15:57:00 -
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admiral root wrote:Rebecha Pucontis wrote:Wow... I remember asking about having the Mining Barge skill refunded, and that caused many forum flames. But at least that made sense. It made exactly no sense, as mining barges are still in the game and the skill still affects them. This thread makes just as little sense as we knew about the destroyer / battlecruiser changes last summer and had plenty of time to take appropriate action.
And the mining barge skills are universally accepted as the most useful skill in the game too right?... Don't be a muppet. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4048
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Posted - 2013.04.23 15:58:00 -
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Look on the bright side, as a newer player you have been taught how valuable it is to pay attention and plan ahead.
These lessons will serve you far better than some extra skill points. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Dave Stark
2770
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Posted - 2013.04.23 15:59:00 -
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Virginia Virdana wrote:Royal Executioner Shazih wrote: But y I am punished for that? Y I have to spend 4x times more than they? Because I am younger? Newer players already heavily disadvantaged The only thing you are being "punished" for is your lack of forward planning
actions having consequences. who'd have thought! |
Virginia Virdana
Envoy Fast Deployment
36
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Posted - 2013.04.23 15:59:00 -
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Rebecha Pucontis wrote:admiral root wrote:Rebecha Pucontis wrote:Wow... I remember asking about having the Mining Barge skill refunded, and that caused many forum flames. But at least that made sense. It made exactly no sense, as mining barges are still in the game and the skill still affects them. This thread makes just as little sense as we knew about the destroyer / battlecruiser changes last summer and had plenty of time to take appropriate action. And the mining barge skills are universally accepted as the most useful skill in the game too right?... Don't be a muppet.
Honestly - this has been done to death. Lets focus on the new semi-irrational skill point debate at hand... They say never come to a gunfight armed with a knife.You appear to have come armed with a spoon. |
Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
190
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Posted - 2013.04.23 15:59:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:Rebecha Pucontis wrote:Even better. I trained BC to level V on an alt even though I am never going to use BC with that character. I have no cruiser skills and am Per and Will remapped so will get lots of lovely free unallocated SP in June on that character. :) I thought about this, but in what way does this benefit you over just training skills you would have used in the first place, unless it's just to save a remap. You'll only get back the number of skill points you could have trained in that amount of time anyway.
It is useful as certain skill I wanted to train have pre reqs which are not using the same attributes as the primary skill. So yes basically it saves a remap or two and basically and makes it much easier to plan on evemon. For a relatively new alt it is really nice to have almost 2 mil unallocated points along with the 3 remaps, and I was already remapped to Per and Will so thought I would make the most of it. |
Royal Executioner Shazih
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.04.23 16:00:00 -
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Virginia Virdana wrote:Royal Executioner Shazih wrote: But y I am punished for that? Y I have to spend 4x times more than they? Because I am younger? Newer players already heavily disadvantaged The only thing you are being "punished" for is your lack of forward planning
Im two months old. How was I supposed to plan it on time? |
De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
1293
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Posted - 2013.04.23 16:01:00 -
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Rebecha Pucontis wrote:De'Veldrin wrote:Rebecha Pucontis wrote:Even better. I trained BC to level V on an alt even though I am never going to use BC with that character. I have no cruiser skills and am Per and Will remapped so will get lots of lovely free unallocated SP in June on that character. :) I thought about this, but in what way does this benefit you over just training skills you would have used in the first place, unless it's just to save a remap. You'll only get back the number of skill points you could have trained in that amount of time anyway. It is useful as certain skill I wanted to train have pre reqs which are not using the same attributes as the pre req skills. So yes basically it saves a remap or two and basically and makes it much easier to plan on evemon. For a relatively new alt it is really nice to have almost 2 mil unallocated points along with the 3 remaps, and I was already remapped to Per and Will so thought I would make the most of it.
Makes sense. Good on you for being emergent. LOL. Malcanis for CSM 8
Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain. Twitter --á@DeVeldrin |
admiral root
Red Galaxy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
503
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Posted - 2013.04.23 16:02:00 -
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Rebecha Pucontis wrote:And the mining barge skills are universally accepted as the most useful skill in the game too right?...
What does that matter? They still do what they were intended to do so reimbursement of the skill points makes no sense at all. Furthermore, if you're one of the people who are mad over the orca changes, you still get value from the barge skill up until the expansion.
Rebecha Pucontis wrote:Don't be a muppet.
Both Kermit and Yoda would grasp the silliness of your desire to have mining barge skill points reimbursed. I'm fine being grouped with such intelligent company. Wakka wakka. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
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