No offence, but are you really that naive?

Cybernetics 4 is achievable in 3 days and 100M for a set of +4s isn't even a quarter the value of a PLEX.

But y I am punished for that? Y I have to spend 4x times more than they? Because I am younger? Newer players already heavily disadvantaged

No, I just see Cybernetics 4 avalible in 2 days 5 hours with my +3's in and didn't think you bought a Plex.

Yes, I'm too lazy to train it to 5 for the +5 implants. There are more important things to do.

Like getting those +5's.

how on earth are there 15 pages on this?

Hi everyone.
Probably my post will bring a lot of criticism but I want to make a point.
Due to ship skills revamp people who train Destroyers V and Battlecriusers V are going to get around 6mil SP. That is fine.
But players who dont do that will get nothing.

I propose that players who decided not to train the mentioned skill get partial recompensation (say 30% of the max possible skills). For example, if someone gets zero additional SP from summer expansion he qualifies for 6x0.3 = 2m free SP to allocate.
If the player gets 2m SP from summer expansion he qualifies for (6-2)x0.3 = 1,3m free SP to allocate etc.

Some of u will object because we all knew that in advance and could train Destroyers V and Battlecriusers V. BUT while for older players 20-30 days of training is nothing newer players cant afford to spend so much time on 1-2 skills. It gives unfair advantage to older players and players who already have Destroyers V and Battlecriusers V over newer player.

That's why I propose recompensation.

starts thread crying about ship changes you were informed about nearly a year ago.

had plenty of time to train the skills but decided not to.

demands 2mil SP for no reason other than stupidity.

complains bitterly when people point out your error.

say i'm the one crying.

My intention was to beeline the +5S but this change for odyssey changed that.

Of course I'm going to buy a PLEX when im going to get 6m million additional skill points which is what 3-4 months of subscription charges?

You'd be daft not too...

more butchery of the english language.

see above

Im two months old. How was I supposed to plan it on time?

Hi everyone.
Probably my post will bring a lot of criticism but I want to make a point.
Due to ship skills revamp people who train Destroyers V and Battlecriusers V are going to get around 6mil SP. That is fine.
But players who dont do that will get nothing.

I propose that players who decided not to train the mentioned skill get partial recompensation (say 30% of the max possible skills). For example, if someone gets zero additional SP from summer expansion he qualifies for 6x0.3 = 2m free SP to allocate.
If the player gets 2m SP from summer expansion he qualifies for (6-2)x0.3 = 1,3m free SP to allocate etc.

Some of u will object because we all knew that in advance and could train Destroyers V and Battlecriusers V. BUT while for older players 20-30 days of training is nothing newer players cant afford to spend so much time on 1-2 skills. It gives unfair advantage to older players and players who already have Destroyers V and Battlecriusers V over newer player.

That's why I propose recompensation.

My character is just 2 months old.

Kid, u should be more polite. Your parents failed to teach u that as I see.

It also shows how limited your world perception. Learn to analyze different points of view. By the time u grow up u might learn or not

U are
People are wondering y u are laughing probably much more intelligent than u. But your lack knowledge/experince denies u to understand that.

I see how bad EVE society because I played many games and read many forums. Let's take League of legends. Players ask for sale there all the time and no1 writes like' hey I paid for that char full price, so u have too'.
Even when I bought a char for full price and it was put on sale 2 weeks later I never flamed about it, because I've already been enjoying it for 2 weeks.

But EVE players played EVE too much and so here all I get is: 'EVE is harsh. Deal with it. etc.'
U guys forgot that EVE just a game.

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Using +3 implants you'd only gain 350k fewer skillpoints, which is about 1 weeks worth of sub time.

I liken this change to learning skills, you think you're gaining skp by focusing on one thing. However, the best way to gain skillpoints is to enjoy the game so that you don't quit. I've learned this the hard way.

The character bazaar can be used to effectively buy skillpoints if you get good at making ISK.

I don't think I'm gaining skill points; I am gaining skill points and therefore time. Fact.

I agree with you that you should do what you enjoy, not try min/max for the sake of it. It is a game. However, my personal circumstances, work etc. and my "long term" view on EVE accommodates the approach I'm currently taking with my skill plan. But that might not necessarily be the right choice for others.

Im two months old. How was I supposed to plan it on time?

Everything posted.

U are not very smart are u? My character is just 2 months old.

OP, your character was created a week before me. I will have all necessary skills trained to take advantage of the BC/Destroyer 5 changes with about 16 days to spare, and I trained enough before embarking on that skill plan that I'm not a total gimp in the mean time. I can even fly mining barges if I wanted to. Your lack of planning does not constitute unfairness on CCP's part.

TL, DR version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLdBrx-ijwQ

I started a new character today. By my maths, I will make BC V before the Summer expansion hits.
If I am off, it's not by much.
Yes, I am using a booster. Will be using implants, and will be using a remap, then my bonus remaps to get back and do the core skills.

But.... Thats from today.
You found out about this change before today, and probably already have some of it trained. So there is no reason you couldn't make it either at the point you found out about it.

Also, as has been pointed out, the characters do not 'gain' anything. They fly the same ships at the same skills they could before the summer expansion.

Let's assume (hypothetically) that US collapses into separate states in 2030. And everyone who was born before 2030 gain universal residency permit (can settle and resettle anywhere anytime within old US) and let's call it 'old rights'. Those who were born after 2030 gain only 1-state residency (can settle only within 1 state). Did anything change for older citizens? Did they get any free rights? No. Nothing changed for them. Do the younger citizens feel the same? No! And guess what? One guy says: 'let's make a law so that younger people can live in bordering states too' (to equal the rights a bit). Everyone replies: 'No! We didn't get any free rights and you won't too"
Do you understand now how absurd your 'I can fly the same ships as before' claim sound?

1. I myself (actually training it) might get it on time (or even if not be short like 4-5 days). I hope it is clear. But people who just started or will start playing a bit later wont.

Do you understand now how absurd your 'I can fly the same ships as before' claim sound?

Hopefully that clarifies something.

But I hope that at least some of you will listen to voice of reason

My intention was to beeline the +5S but this change for odyssey changed that.

Of course I'm going to buy a PLEX when im going to get 6m million additional skill points which is what 3-4 months of subscription charges?

You'd be daft not too...