So let me get this right -

You want a reward for failing to plan ahead for a change that has been announced for at least 6 - 9 months.

How about No? Does No work for you?

That's why I propose recompensation.

Im two months old. How was I supposed to plan it on time?

Im two months old. How was I supposed to plan it on time?

Im two months old. How was I supposed to plan it on time?

GÇ£RecompensationGÇ¥ suggest that something was lost. So the question is: for what? What have you lost?

No, having to train skills under new skill tree is not a loss GÇö it's just the game. In fact, under this new tree, you'll have a far easier time training for things than the older characters had.

At best, the older characters should be compensated for having their clones become more expensive without actually gaining anything for itGǪ

So let me get this right -

You want a reward for failing to plan ahead for a change that has been announced for at least 6 - 9 months.

How about No? Does No work for you?

Im two months old. How was I supposed to plan it on time?

Exactly. That's what I'm pointing at. This change itself hits those who have Dessy V and BC V quite a bit but even harder those who don't.

I agree with you that I could have planned ahead and trained these but as a new player, training all the races destroyers and BCs up is quite an investment that takes me quite far from stuff I'll actually use in the near future.

That said, I'm not self entitled enough to think I should get a load of free SP for no reason although it does suck than when cross training is the right thing to do it's going to be that little bit harder.

Gonna try and get caldari in before the change though, I hear the Naga is good even if I won't be able to use the hybrids for a while.

Personally I'd rather see the whole SP and training system scrubbed or at least totally overhauled.

Im two months old. How was I supposed to plan it on time?

Exactly. That's what I'm pointing at. This change itself hits those who have Dessy V and BC V quite a bit but even harder those who don't.

So basically you want to scrap one of the most unique aspect and biggest draw of the game, and turn the skill system into a Wow clone?

Exactly. That's what I'm pointing at. This change itself hits those who have Dessy V and BC V quite a bit but even harder those who don't.

No, it's pretty much the exact opposite of what you're pointing at.

This change hits those who have Destroyer and BC V very hard GÇö it doesn't hit anyone else at all. The difference before and after the patch is that everyone will be able to do exactly the same things they could the day before, except that those who suddenly get burdened with 5M SP more and risk running up higher clone costs aren't getting anything for it.

Personally I'd rather see the whole SP and training system scrubbed or at least totally overhauled. Then again, I'm a realist, and I know it will never happen as it is pretty much the only thing still holding this game together. Well, that and bird droppings.

I think most people would agree that making cross training more difficult is a good change. And the previous system wasn't very logical which is why CCP is trying to streamline it. What your basically asking for is for CCP to scrap the proposal so snowflakes like yourself don't get hurt.

If they give everyone free SP then like I said before, there is not point in them making the change in the first place as pirate faction frigs will be just as easy to get into as everyone will have free SP.

This, I don't think OP even understands the skill changes at all.

Given how many times both character generation and skillpoint training have been changed over the years, I would not get any hopes up.

And the game should not have to constantly bend over backwards to make "catching up" (for any reason) easy for new players. If new players have been off playing other games for years, or have been stuck on console gaming since their mom decided an XBOX was cheaper than a babysitter, then they should just HTFU and earn their place in EVE.

Onoes... actually having to make an effort.

It's not free SP. The time was already spent on training it.

The OP was suggesting that CCP gives him free SP though.

Noobs/newer players deserve some love too.

Off topic but still. Do u understand that if we (noobs) leave this game there will be noone to sell your crap to and noone shoot in low sec at?

Do u understand that if we (noobs) leave this game there will be noone to sell your crap to and noone shoot in low sec at?

Noobs/newer players deserve some love too.

Of course there will GÇö namely everyone else.

Now, you do understand that GÇ£catching upGÇ¥ is not an applicable concept in EVE, right? That the only thing that new players can't GÇ£catch upGÇ¥ with is total SP? That total SP is a meaningless stat that only serves one purpose: making your clone more expensive? That beyond total SP, GÇ£catching upGÇ¥ is not only very possible, but actually inevitable, and also a hugely inefficient way of spending your time? That the design of marginal improvement for exponential increases in cost, and of diminishing returns means that 1 SP Gëá 1 SP?

You're asking to be compensated for the non-loss of not being subject to an actual compensation (one that only results in them being exactly where they were before). You are getting the exact same deal.

They're getting a lot of it: they get a much improved ship progression tree, where almost everything is much easier and quicker to train for.

You are right. But I'm punished in that way:

Let's see you have all cruisers at III and BC IV. Nothing changes for u. But I have 1 racial cruiser III and BC IV. So basically my BC 1 SP is gonna lose 75% of its weight. Is it fair?

You are right. But I'm punished in that way:

Let's see you have all cruisers at III and BC IV. Nothing changes for u. But I have 1 racial cruiser III and BC IV. So basically my BC 1 SP is gonna lose 75% of its weight. Is it fair?