Step 3: Make getting and holding sov based on activity. Make it so a large alliance cannot just plop down a claim unit in each and every system. If they want it, they got to be active in it. This gives a reason to have more people in your alliance, so you can keep activity up in all your systems.

TL;DR - If you really wanted to get me into null you'd need to provide a mechanic that allows me to make a meaningful contribution to my corp/alliance in the hour or two of playtime I have each day.

I'm another who re-subbed my accounts following Hilmar's mea culpa. I've been absent for about 10-11 months.

I have spent some time in null previously as a part of a couple of different groups and didn't really care for it due to a lot of reasons that have already been mentioned in this thread - but I have one issue which I feel hasn't been raised that bugged me about 0.0 - namely that with limited playtime I didn't feel like I could really contribute anything to a group.

The only thing that would get me out to null would be some kind of provision or mechanic change that allowed for "small holders." I've gotten to that point in my life where I can only spend an hour or two a day playing and honestly it doesn't make sense for me or for a corp/alliance for me to be part of what goes on in 0.0 right now. I can't meaningfully contribute to territorial warfare as a combat pilot because I'm just not logged in enough and I agree with the consensus that logistics/manufacturing is broken - therefore I couldn't contribute in a logistical capacity either.

Without the ability to contribute to and hopefully experience some the emergent/sandbox gameplay CCP continues to hype, the isk is kind of meaningless to me.

On the brighter side, I can get everything I want from the game out of WH play. Re-subbed with a couple of buddies and we've just been cruising around WH space with our alts in tow - couple of cloaky haulers, scout, couple of PVE ships and a couple of PVP ships - and having a blast. We don't even put down a POS which is great because if we can't get together to play for 5 days we don't have to worry about maintaining a POS or having it blown up.

If you really wanted to get me into null I'd need some way to make a meaningful contribution to the organization I am part of without spending 6 hours a day on CTAs, etc. and I'm not really sure how you could change the mechanics to do that.

Plus in a WH you do not appear in local - so you are an "anonymous" player in a Ship that is seen on dscan. (Until eye contact is made)
VS
Oh look - a 3 month toon just came in on local. I can pop that guy with any ship i fly....

At a certain point - local kills younger players from enterin LS and Null because of their 'skill level' either SP or gameplay.
A 2-3 year toon will ALWAYS win a battle against a very much younger player.

I see local as being a huge problem. It always gives the big swarm a huge warning that you have entered system.

Some really good discussion so far of what's keeping people out of null.

The major frustrations seem to be:

- Lack of things for the casual gamer to participate in
- Lack of accessibility outside of major alliances
- Failure to give industrials a meaningful task

The major frustrations seem to be:

- Lack of things for the casual gamer to participate in
- Lack of accessibility outside of major alliances
- Failure to give industrials a meaningful task[

Old history.

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All of that sounds more exciting than:

-get level 4 mission from agent
-run level 4 mission
-repeat

Living in empire is much like life in New York.. Lots of traffic, crowds, and chatter.
ItGÇÖs good for people watching and cruising while showing off shiny ships.

Low sec has the reputation of a ghetto.. lock your doors and drive fast.

Null is like joining the military.. Sir, yes sir, my guns are enormous sir!

3 distinct mindsets, goals, and motivations.

What does incentive have to do with it?

Wel for me, nullsec just isn't what I envisaged it to be when i started playing.

I expected remote outposts with outcasts, enough empty space to get lost, ruthless pirate gangs and far away worlds with unknown spieces to discover.

I contributed earlier in the discussion in the spirit of the questions, but I think the larger question here is probably does null really need to be fixed? I'm trying to be constructive with this so sorry if it sounds like a rant.

For some people, like myself, the answer to "How do we get you to null?" is, "make it more like W-space." Which I think you're seeing suggestions like lowering the barrier to entry (cost/accessibility), give it a less populated, more "frontier" feeling, open it up more to the small guys, get rid of local, etc.

But then it would just be w-space. We already have that. I personally don't have any problem leaving null to the folks who want to shoot POSs/TCUs all day while hot dropping each other with blobs.

Null is just boring and terrible in my opinion and most people don't want to live there. I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything. I'm having fun doing what I'm doing.

Some people like null the way it is, good for them. No reason to give them the shaft by radically altering their whole game play experience. It would be the equivalent of 0.0 people starting a campaign to get local added to W-space because, "No one from 0.0 wants to live in WHs.."

Forgive me if this is blunt, but eve NEEDS people to go to null. The consumption from ship killing, fuel and ammo use and other things in null drives the economy. ...

{Many many nerfs}
You may now rage.

I would just quit the game rather than go to null sec, especially pushed so hard.

My point exactly. Someone starting out in that environment wouldn't know what was lost, and they would just assume that was the normal way of things. But established players would claw their eyes out and smash their keyboards against their foreheards the second they saw the patch notes.