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Magnum III
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Posted - 2005.10.05 10:10:00 -
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Edited by: Magnum III on 05/10/2005 10:10:45
Would you leave EVE for the Elite MMORPG that is coming in 2006?
I liked the idea of Elite but EVE is better to me in story and what it is in game play.
So I would stay with EVE.
But it would seem to me that Elite Online will be trying to go off the coat tales of Elite but might actually copy EVE.
The Story in EVE is awesome and I hope Elite Online will not kill EVE or even shorten its life span.
They would have to copy EVE to come close to the no grind ways of EVE like not having to do something over and over in the game to get better XP/Stats for your character.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.10.05 10:12:00 -
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Basing an MMORPG on something good does not usually make it good, often the other way around.
The quality of an MMORPG is based on the ideas behind it and the developers who make it. And from what I've seen so far, I generally can rightfully assume that everything new that comes out is crap until I see otherwise.
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2005.10.05 10:12:00 -
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Very hard to say tbh, elite is actually the reason I came to love space games and hence eve.
Is going to be a tough call either way for me.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2005.10.05 10:13:00 -
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What Elite Online?
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Redundancy
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Posted - 2005.10.05 10:16:00 -
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If we're talking Elite 4, last I heard it's single player and possibly non-massively multiplayer.
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Magnum III
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Posted - 2005.10.05 10:17:00 -
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Edited by: Magnum III on 05/10/2005 10:21:49
 Originally by: Wild Rho
Very hard to say tbh, elite is actually the reason I came to love space games and hence eve.
Is going to be a tough call either way for me.
I know, that's why it is I funny thing, EVE was made in part because of good Elite memories. But now Elite is coming out?
Either way I like EVE and look at it as a different game and will keep playing, basides a new mmorpg is going to take years to catch up to EVE and never will unless they get rid of any XP grind like EVE did.
Originally by: Redundancy
If we're talking Elite 4, last I heard it's single player and possibly non-massively multiplayer.
Well if it was an MMORPG is what I'm asking but some do say it IS going to be an MMORPG though. Either way there are other MMORPG space games coming out to like X Beyond the Frontier Online.
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2005.10.05 10:28:00 -
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I will at least check elite online. Elite was TEH game for sci-fi fans 20 years ago and i would love to see the "krait" and "Thargoids" again. But in the end i will play the game that offers more PVP-fun. If Elite-online will offer more PVP-fun then i guess EVE will loose a lot of PVP-players to the ELITE remake.
And one thing is sure: EVE is an ELITE copy, not ELITE a copy of EVE. But CCP first had to balls, brain, $ and were first willing to make a really good online-sci-fi-multiplayergame. CCP made their own story (wich is ok). EVE still looks like an ELITE copy, though.
It¦s like comparing Jules Verne to George Lucas. Jules Verne was the first. But Goerge Lucas made it perfect.
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Posted - 2005.10.05 10:28:00 -
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It's taken Eve along time and alot of work to get where it is today, I don't think these newer games will be tempting me away very quickly.
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.10.05 10:29:00 -
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If PVPing is like eve and people actually feel the pain when they die rather then just respawn i might actually try it.
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Drilla
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Posted - 2005.10.05 10:34:00 -
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Elite Emulator Online
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Drilla
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Posted - 2005.10.05 10:34:00 -
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Edited by: Drilla on 05/10/2005 10:34:36
Ups - my first double post 
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.10.05 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: Drilla
Edited by: Drilla on 05/10/2005 10:34:36
Ups - my first double post
\o/ Grats!
Elite 4 is probably at least a year away.
How about we wait until it comes out and see what it is like?
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Vicarrah
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Posted - 2005.10.05 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: Redundancy
If we're talking Elite 4, last I heard it's single player and possibly non-massively multiplayer.
last time I checked on the Frontier website, it stated that the plan was to release a single player version first, then an online multiplayer (which could possibly be massive, but not necessarily) afterwards.
I still have reservations about it, as nothing could in any way compare to the nostalgia and sheer  factor generated by the original. It'll certainly be worth looking at, as Braben's now got some serious programming resources under his belt... I just fear that without Bell's input (which will probably never happen), it'll be "just another space game"
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Jennai
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Posted - 2005.10.05 10:46:00 -
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is it going to be a tedious level grind? if yes, I won't play it.
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2005.10.05 10:48:00 -
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Elite was good.
Frontier: Elite was Ok.
Later stuff wasn't so hot.
I joined EVE, primarily because of 'good memories' of playing Elite. Now I'm here, I don't think I'd leave - whilst there's similiarities, there's also differences, and the differences I like. (Modular ship configs, pointy clicky navigation, real time skill training etc.)
That's not to say I wouldn't check it out, but that'll be when (if) I run out of enthusiasm with EVE. Which as far as I can tell is still quite a way off :)
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AdriaLima
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Posted - 2005.10.05 10:53:00 -
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Well you know what eve is all about ..but i doubt anybody here knows what elite online will be like.
So im guessing you should stick with eve unless its proven 200% that elite online is better ^_^.
Doubtfull though considering eve has already made for itself a richer "history" ..and with that i mean the way players go about their business and such and ofcourse all the neat lil stories etcetc.
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Roshan longshot
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Posted - 2005.10.05 10:55:00 -
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Elite, would be good if they run it like Eve. But if they run it like Freelancer...I wont leave.
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2005.10.05 11:10:00 -
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Edited by: Bhaal on 05/10/2005 11:11:12
OOOOh Man, I'll definitely be following what goes on with that games development 
The DEV's of Elite Online hopefully play EVE. They can take what's good from this game and build on that.
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Redundancy
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Posted - 2005.10.05 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: "David Braben"
"We started development in 2000 - that was as a massively multiplayer game. But talking to people who could have been involved in it, I realised how little the Internet infrastructure was capable of - there were so many problems, I could see us taking a lot of flak. "What we've got now is a separate design for a game which is single-player and for small numbers of players, up to 16 or 32.
"We could still do a massively multiplayer game subsequently - we've got the design, it still works, it's extremely exciting and very different to what's out there now in many ways.
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Alexander Karatis
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Posted - 2005.10.05 11:18:00 -
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One server?
Freedom of Action?
Will the design philosophy be based on open-ended systems and swarm intelligence like EVE is?
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Shaemell Buttleson
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Posted - 2005.10.05 11:19:00 -
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I signed up to EVE because I loved Elite and Frontier.
However I think they have missed the boat now and won't be able to offer anything diffrent to what we have now. EVE is everything Elite was and more!
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Steven Dynahir
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Posted - 2005.10.05 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: Redundancy
Originally by: "David Braben"
"We started development in 2000 - that was as a massively multiplayer game. But talking to people who could have been involved in it, I realised how little the Internet infrastructure was capable of - there were so many problems, I could see us taking a lot of flak. "What we've got now is a separate design for a game which is single-player and for small numbers of players, up to 16 or 32.
"We could still do a massively multiplayer game subsequently - we've got the design, it still works, it's extremely exciting and very different to what's out there now in many ways.
That's like saying "We think that there is no LCD-TV or Plasma-TV market in next 10years"...
(A finnish TV-maker did that, and wen't backrupt just a month ago since people were buying LCD-TV's & Plasmas" =)
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Halleck Gurney
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Posted - 2005.10.05 11:25:00 -
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Seen the track record and extrapolating on that ... I estimate Elite IV will hit the shelves in 2020 
Anyway, who nows what EvE will look like in 2006, perhaps the question should be asked then 
I liked playing Elite very much, but got frustrated with the changes in Elite 2, the realistic physics did somewhat take the fun out of the game.
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Sirial Soulfly
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Posted - 2005.10.05 11:31:00 -
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If it is better then EVE then ofcourse I will switch games.
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H0ot
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Posted - 2005.10.05 11:37:00 -
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PotBS will be released earlier than any Elite MMO. So if I leave its probably for PotBS.
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MOS DEF
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Posted - 2005.10.05 11:41:00 -
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I can see myself getting a bit inactive to play some other MMo like auto assault but i will never leave eve. I left twice now and allways had to start out again because i found out that eve is the end of all.
Other MMO's can be nice for a whilebut so far nothing can come close to EvE and i think it will stay like that for a while.
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Febreeze
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Posted - 2005.10.05 11:44:00 -
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Edited by: Febreeze on 05/10/2005 11:45:29
I'm not sure what Elite Online could offer that Eve already offers us - except of course the ability to land on planets, moons, and asteroids. But hopefully we'll have that in Eve in a year or two.
What Elite did have though was a better sense of adventure in regards to exploration than Eve currently offers. At the moment there's not much difference in each system of the Eve galaxy. Seen one seen them all.
The systems in the Elite (Frontier) galaxy seemed to each have more character about them and there was always something different to explore.
And watching Saturn set below the horizon whilst sat on the surface of one of its moons was simply awe-inspiring!
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Aeon Yakati
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Posted - 2005.10.05 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: Shaemell Buttleson
I signed up to EVE because I loved Elite and Frontier.
However I think they have missed the boat now and won't be able to offer anything diffrent to what we have now. EVE is everything Elite was and more!
Nah, while both games share many similarities, especially the obvious ones, they are still quite different imho.
For example, one could work for one of the militaries and gradually gain ranks. Ok, you might compare this to EVE's agent system but that's really about the rewards and not so much about the standings or fictional rank. This military career in particularly could be very addictive and satisfying, I remember doing missions for months, not because of the rewards it got me but because of the sheer satisfaction when all the hard work paid off in a promotion of rank 
Then there's the ultra-realistic physics in Elite (apart for a few bugs) and ofcourse the direct control of one's spaceship. Ok, jumping would take (ingame) days in Elite as would reaching a station, but in multiplayer this issue of time could be resolved by adding uber-inertia abilities to ships that attempt to 'warp'. That way you'd have realistic space physics while in normal flight but when trying to travel a certain distance your ship would get a huge inertia boost, which would in fact make sense in some way if you think in warp-bubble terms... Ok, not so realistic anymore but at least closer to Elite's physics.
On a sidenote, I wish they would remove the jumpgates one day and introduce some form of hyper-warp that lets you warp from one system to the other without the discontinuation you suffer at each gate. This would add greatly to the feeling of vastness of space and would remove the 'instance'-feeling you sometimes get when you're jumping from, for example, a system with lots of blue blackground to it's neighbour system which suddenly has a strong redish background tone. Or at least match one's constellation or region to one particular tone, much like they did in Freelancer.
Anyhow, personally I tend to think of David Braben as an 'einzelgõnger' and considering the exceptional teamwork behind EVE I have my doubts if Braben can manage to form and lead an equally talented team that's needed to make a succesfull MMORPG... I guess time will tell 
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2005.10.05 11:51:00 -
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"We started development in 2000 - that was as a massively multiplayer game. But talking to people who could have been involved in it, I realised how little the Internet infrastructure was capable of ûô
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ôThat's like saying "We think that there is no LCD-TV or Plasma-TV market in next 10years"
I donÆt agree its not like saying there is no LCD TV market. What David said is true for the type of game he is planning. Elite 4 will do everything Elite 3 did and more and back in 2000 and even now we donÆt have the Internet infrastructure to support all that.
The processing power is just too much for 100Æs or 1000Æs of players in a galaxy of millions of fully 3D star systems. Elite 3 makes the Eve universe look tiny. Each system comes with correctly orbiting planets, moons and multiply stars. Even star bases orbit the planet. On top of that you can land on every planet which is fully 3D with hills, mountains, seas and 3D clouds and correct day and night. Then there are the cityÆs where you can land and watch the time on towers move correctly with the game time. Planets even had gravity which affect your ship and you could sling shot around a planet with skill.
All that just to cover the stuff in Elite 3 let alone the Elite 4 enhancements and all the stuff I didnÆt list. I agree with David when he says technology is not here yet for him to make Elite 4 as the game he wants. The CPU processing power, ram and bandwidth needed is not enough for the Internet infrastructure in 2000 and even in 2005 I dont think we have the infrastructure need perhaps at a push it could be done. But it would be costly.
Elite 4 also lets you get out your ship and move around on foot.
I donÆt see Elite 4 marking it way in shops in 2006. Perhaps an announcement in 1006 and in shops 2008 or 2009+
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nahtoh
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Posted - 2005.10.05 11:59:00 -
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I never got what poeple saw in frontier TBH...noting but bad experiances with it.
Cool idea but teh RL phyiscs engine turned me off and remebering the inablity to recenter a analouge joystick and whatching my ship loop into the ground till it died on take off made it go back to teh shop really quick swoped for a copy of the bwing expansion for xwing if I remember correctly...
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2005.10.05 12:11:00 -
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ôElite was not an MMORPG. It was a space based shoot-em up with some noddy trading thrown in. Eve is what Elite would have been if the technology had allowed it.ö
I donÆt agree with Eve is what Elite would have been as you can do more in Elite 3 then Eve. Are you only comparing Elite 1 to Eve? As if you look at Elite 3 it did almost everything Eve did and more and it even did most of the stuff on Eve drawing board, Comet mining, planet landing was all in Elite 3.
Trading was not shoddy it was as advanced as Eve with priceÆs changing via supply and demand. If a Virus broke out on a planet medicine priceÆs shot up. Certain system required a permit which made trading interesting as getting permit was not easy. You even needed cargo bay life support trade breathing goods. Subscribing to newspapers also gave hints away to good 1 or 2 day trading runs.
Elite was far more then just a space based shoot-em up.
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Ramses OverDark
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Posted - 2005.10.05 12:21:00 -
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Elite was awesome... remmber it on my BBC model B, and words cant describe how stunningly amazing it was at the time.
That said, there is no reason to assume they would get a MMO right (if they were to make one) but as father to that genere of games they would certainly get people to play it.
Would i move? Maybe... if for no other reason than to play in that genere of MMO with a level playing feild in terms of SP / ISK / BPO etc.
If a Babylon 5 MMO came out tho, i be gone in a flash =)
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.10.05 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey
Elite 4 will do everything Elite 3 did and more and back in 2000 and even now we donÆt have the Internet infrastructure to support all that.
The processing power is just too much for 100Æs or 1000Æs of players in a galaxy of millions of fully 3D star systems. Elite 3 makes the Eve universe look tiny. Each system comes with correctly orbiting planets, moons and multiply stars. Even star bases orbit the planet. On top of that you can land on every planet which is fully 3D with hills, mountains, seas and 3D clouds and correct day and night. Then there are the cityÆs where you can land and watch the time on towers move correctly with the game time. Planets even had gravity which affect your ship and you could sling shot around a planet with skill.
Uh huh. And that has nothing to do with the Internet. It has to do with the amount people are willing to pay for an MMO that needs that much processing power, being to low to pay for the hardware.
EVE runs fine on 56k modem. You could easily push all that data over 256k ADSL at worst. Hell I bet you could push it all over 56k. I have played DarkSpace which has orbiting planets on 56k fine. This is because you only need to tell the client what is happening in the immediate vicinity, and can let it approximate a lot of things.
So to some up claiming you can't have a complicated MMO because of "Internet infrastructure" is complete and utter bull****. You can't have a complicated MMO because not enough people will pay enough to support all the hardware you need. We even see this with EVE, CCP can't add some features because the hardware needed is to much for what people will pay.
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Posted - 2005.10.05 12:35:00 -
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Edited by: Plan Neun on 05/10/2005 12:36:13
Magnum III Caldari Journey On Squad wrote:
"Would you leave EVE for the Elite MMORPG that is coming in 2006?"
No never considered that.
Cant see any reason to play another game than EVE-Online
it fullfills all my (game)needs and more.
I wanna thank CCP for making the best game and spacesimulation ever.
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Meer
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Posted - 2005.10.05 12:45:00 -
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Edited by: Meer on 05/10/2005 12:46:55
As with any online game it all depends on what the other game offers. Things that I would leave Eve for in a heartbeat:
A game where the environment wasn't the same in pretty much all systems.
A game where I could log in and see something new everyday.
A game where increases in fame and faction gave you REAL benefits.
A game where the storyline was a central part of everyday gameplay.
A game where non-combat activities are as exciting and rewarding as combat activities.
However since those things don't exist in pretty much any MMO, I'll probably be staying here.
**Please note: This is only my opinion. Please don't turn this into a debate how I am wrong.
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sableye
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Posted - 2005.10.05 12:48:00 -
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probably not unless it offerred way more, but by the time its out cosmos will probably be fully up to gear giving hope for many of the unused constellations and addingt he last thinge ve needs to make it perfect, differnce ebtween solar stations thats not only the station count :)>
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Oosel
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Posted - 2005.10.05 12:49:00 -
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the one thing that would draw me to elite would be the fact that at times when your corp buddies are not about eve really isnt a single player friendly place anymore whereas elite will always give you that element....without grouping these days in eve you are not going to progress very far
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Fuze Rogue
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Posted - 2005.10.05 13:35:00 -
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anyone got screens of elite 4 or some detailed info?
I know what elite is but i never played it...
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Halleck Gurney
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Posted - 2005.10.05 13:53:00 -
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I still remember fondly the day I bought a rare and unique creature from a trader for 5000 credits ... tribles ... before I knew it my screen was cluthered with these critters ... even ejecting from the ship didn't help
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.10.05 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: Halleck Gurney
I still remember fondly the day I bought a rare and unique creature from a trader for 5000 credits ... tribles ... before I knew it my screen was cluthered with these critters ... even ejecting from the ship didn't help
This kind of unusual surprises is something I miss in EvE
Yeah, put tribbles in EVE now and watch Paramount sue CCP back to the stone age. Different times. :)
Besides, I'm not sure people would be too fond of having to abandon a hundred million isk battleship because it became infested with Trek rats.
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2005.10.05 14:28:00 -
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Someday, something better than EVE will be on the market, that's when I'll leave...
For me, mixing EVE up with FPS on planets & stations would be the end all...
Point & click navigation in space. (As it is now but with free warp and a stop warp like E&B had)
****pit flying on planets. (Don't go as far as flight sims)
Full blown FPS fighting in stations and on planets. (Driving vehicles as well)
I'd never play another game.
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Razin
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Posted - 2005.10.05 14:48:00 -
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I'd consider it if Elite 4 doesn't have "jumpgates" or similar artificial choke point game mechanic device.
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2005.10.05 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Razin
I'd consider it if Elite 4 doesn't have "jumpgates" or similar artificial choke point game mechanic device.
95% of PvP in EVE happens at gates. (Just pulled that out of my ass)
I'd love to see a game that does not rely on such a mechanic for PvP...
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.10.05 15:08:00 -
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I've allways thought Eve owes more to Tradewars and Starfire than Elite, tbh
Any dev want to comment on the influences behind Eve?
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Posted - 2005.10.05 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Bhaal
Originally by: Razin
I'd consider it if Elite 4 doesn't have "jumpgates" or similar artificial choke point game mechanic device.
95% of PvP in EVE happens at gates. (Just pulled that out of my ass)
I'd love to see a game that does not rely on such a mechanic for PvP...
That's part of my point.
There has to be something else out there that is more complex and elegant then just forcing everyone to go through the same funnel.
IÆm hoping that EVE will finally come to that, and space will again seem big, really big.
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Slater Dogstar
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Posted - 2005.10.05 15:20:00 -
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Wow frontier elite now that brings back memories.
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Andrue
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Posted - 2005.10.05 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey
ôElite was not an MMORPG. It was a space based shoot-em up with some noddy trading thrown in. Eve is what Elite would have been if the technology had allowed it.ö
I donÆt agree with Eve is what Elite would have been as you can do more in Elite 3 then Eve. Are you only comparing Elite 1 to Eve?
Yes. After the bad experience of Frontier (bugs and that unplayable physics engine) I gave up on the series wanting to preserve my good memories. I don't think I ever saw Elite 3 and if it went back to a playable unrealistic physics model then it sounds like it would have been quite a game.
Oh and don't get me wrong - I loved Elite. It was the first game I ever played that I never wanted to stop playing. I actually played every version except the C64 one (on principal) and got most of them to 'Elite' ranking. I even played both PC versions.
It wasn't until E&B came along that I found another game that I could play forever. Then came Eve.
In fact in terms of time spent playing my top three are:
Eve (18 months and counting)
E&B (11 months and one week 'coz that was when the closure became obvious in February).
Elite (Hard to say. Prolly three months on the Spectrum and Amstrad CPC. A month or so on the other versions).
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Andrue
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Posted - 2005.10.05 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: Halleck Gurney
I still remember fondly the day I bought a rare and unique creature from a trader for 5000 credits ... tribles ... before I knew it my screen was cluthered with these critters ... even ejecting from the ship didn't help
This kind of unusual surprises is something I miss in EvE
That was the worst thing they did to later versions of Elite. Probably the reason I never played the C64 version. It introduced it (presumably because sprite graphics was about all it was good for) and the developers took the ideas to other platforms.
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Magnum III
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Posted - 2005.10.05 16:09:00 -
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Now that I think about it a little more, I would not play any Online game that couldnÆt out do EVEÆs Gameplay. For Example EVEÆs Faction, War Declaration Etcà
I see Elite 4 as being more of a feeling of being a business person.
And X BTF Online more of a factory Building game.
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Earthan
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Posted - 2005.10.05 16:13:00 -
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Well if Elite 4 or the other would be joystick more simulation like control i would be hardly tempted.Also if the the gameplay would be a little faster.
Eve is increadible but i miss more simulation like control, also the slow pace drive me mad sometimes or often nowadays i just dont have time to play.
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CargoCult
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Posted - 2005.10.05 16:18:00 -
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I'll certainly try both i suspect
both games have string to old loves as it where
(though don't panic ccp the eve accounts will be kept too)
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Posted - 2005.10.05 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: Razin
Originally by: Bhaal
Originally by: Razin
I'd consider it if Elite 4 doesn't have "jumpgates" or similar artificial choke point game mechanic device.
95% of PvP in EVE happens at gates. (Just pulled that out of my ass)
I'd love to see a game that does not rely on such a mechanic for PvP...
That's part of my point.
There has to be something else out there that is more complex and elegant then just forcing everyone to go through the same funnel.
I’m hoping that EVE will finally come to that, and space will again seem big, really big.
I always liked the "unkown" wormholes you had in Freelancer, problem with that is, in a MMO they will be known to the masses in no time.
The only thing to eliminate funnels is to introduce Star Trek like warping between stars. Or hyperspace generators on your ship with hyperspace travel. But I do`nt see that happening.
But if there will ever be a game, with has such travelling system and all the good features of EVE, I will change boats
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Noriath
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Posted - 2005.10.05 16:35:00 -
[53]
Well yea, eve would be a lot better if traveling took its time, but ships could intercept you and pull you out of warp in the middle of nowhere.
Combat in the vastness of space simply shouldn't happen only on the 15km to the gate/station...
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Earthan
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Posted - 2005.10.05 16:53:00 -
[54]
Btw just checked out of curiosity and elite 4 last news are from 2001 year.Sorry to say this but to me it looks for 90% like its not going to happen.
And to see a mmorpg like eve , we would hear at least 2 years beforer realease.So i wouldnt hold my breath for any other such game.....
I dont see anything on the market coming soon to compete with eve.
The Startrek thing got nearly no real pvp (somtething in simulation mode only??) so it makes no senese for me for a mmorpg.
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shaolinp
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Posted - 2005.10.05 17:51:00 -
[55]
star trek online hopefully ftw.
hurry up 2006
and thanx ill have to keep ears/eyes posted on elite
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Cortex Reaver
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Posted - 2005.10.05 18:03:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Redundancy
Originally by: "David Braben"
"We started development in 2000 - that was as a massively multiplayer game. But talking to people who could have been involved in it, I realised how little the Internet infrastructure was capable of - there were so many problems, I could see us taking a lot of flak. "What we've got now is a separate design for a game which is single-player and for small numbers of players, up to 16 or 32.
"We could still do a massively multiplayer game subsequently - we've got the design, it still works, it's extremely exciting and very different to what's out there now in many ways.
So David Braben and co opted to run away with their tails between their legs and CCP dominated them and proved how wrong they were.
ccp owned david braben \o/
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Galk
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Posted - 2005.10.05 18:05:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Bhaal
Someday, something better than EVE will be on the market, that's when I'll leave...
For me, mixing EVE up with FPS on planets & stations would be the end all...
Cockpit flying on planets. (Don't go as far as flight sims)
Full blown FPS fighting in stations and on planets. (Driving vehicles as well)
Ditto, my thoughts entirely.
One say there will be another, id love echelon/yager style fighting action on planets, and how would i love fps in stations.....
Finaly id get my chance to hon proper skills upon the eve community.
As for braben and whatever dream he's currently on (rct3 was great btw) i pretty much lost all respect for him when he did his last interview.
Everybody copies his ideas.. when he was asked what he thought of games like X and such, seemed to be suggesting that those games simpley shouldn't be and only he should be making the genre... to be frankly honest the whole elite 4 thing is a running joke... i remember the 'in development' interviews back in 99...
Frontier did take it's time coming, and yes it was amazing, i loved it, so much i bought the bugger 3 times after i got my *cough* fairlight copy a week before release, but if i remember rightly? didn't he code the whole job lot himself.. hence the timing..
For me the guys done himself no favours, somebody said he's missed the boat, tbh thats dead right, X is good (posibley elite 4 could better that), Eve's nailed it online, and he realy would have a job catching up.
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babyblue
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Posted - 2005.10.05 18:17:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Cortex Reaver
Originally by: Redundancy
Originally by: "David Braben"
"We started development in 2000 - that was as a massively multiplayer game. But talking to people who could have been involved in it, I realised how little the Internet infrastructure was capable of - there were so many problems, I could see us taking a lot of flak. "What we've got now is a separate design for a game which is single-player and for small numbers of players, up to 16 or 32.
"We could still do a massively multiplayer game subsequently - we've got the design, it still works, it's extremely exciting and very different to what's out there now in many ways.
So David Braben and co opted to run away with their tails between their legs and CCP dominated them and proved how wrong they were.
ccp owned david braben \o/
You are totally wrong Cortex. What Frontier had planned for Elite 4 was NOT the same thing that CCP have developed. For starters, CCP ducked out of the FPS combat angle to ease their burden. Secondly, Frontier had in mind a huge procedural universe, which CCP did not implement. Thirdly, Elite 4, like the Froniter: Elite and First Encounters games intended to include planet simulations (flight simulation, landscaping, cityscaping, etc.) and proper system physics.
The ONE GOOD THING about Eve is the complexity of it's market. It certainly is not the Pwnage of possible space games, trust me on this. It is however, probably the best we have at the moment.
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Extremely Sticky
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Posted - 2005.10.05 18:24:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Redundancy
If we're talking Elite 4, last I heard it's single player and possibly non-massively multiplayer.
The fact that you can mention a possible competitor and a Dev will even give opinions with out the thread getting locked, speaks volumes to me. That in itself will keep me as an eve fan. But I would look at the other game and possibly have an account.
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Magnum III
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Posted - 2005.10.05 18:36:00 -
[60]
Edited by: Magnum III on 05/10/2005 18:46:50
Originally by: Bhaal
Someday, something better than EVE will be on the market, that's when I'll leave...
For me, mixing EVE up with FPS on planets & stations would be the end all...
Point & click navigation in space. (As it is now but with free warp and a stop warp like E&B had)
****pit flying on planets. (Don't go as far as flight sims)
Full blown FPS fighting in stations and on planets. (Driving vehicles as well)
I'd never play another game.
Yes but Battlecruiser 3000AD has that kind of and boy does it suck. Even an Online version would be more boring then doing something you have no interest in.
Originally by: Noriath
Combat in the vastness of space simply shouldn't happen only on the 15km to the gate/station...
How true that is.
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2005.10.05 18:42:00 -
[61]
Quote:
You also have to look at the time you have put into eve though. I wouldn't want to throw away my multi SP character
At some point in time, the EVE servers will go offline, and you will lose that char then...
It all comes down to entertainment value, best bang for buck, most fun/time put in, etc...
If you build it they will come...
Right now EVE is king for this genre...
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Earthan
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Posted - 2005.10.05 19:07:00 -
[62]
Originally by: shaolinp
star trek online hopefully ftw.
hurry up 2006
and thanx ill have to keep ears/eyes posted on elite
Elite seems to be a joke, no newer news then 2001 lol.
Star trek online from what i rea don their webiste is nothing like Eve.For me there are 2 things that disqualifies it :
1- Pvp only in some kind of simulators, no real pvp .WTF? in mmorpg no pvp ? then i prefer single player game....
2- Ship flying and combat seem only one side.As it is only one side apart from runnign around as person and fighting hand hel weapons i strongly doubt it can come anywhere near eve's combat , even if Eve's imho is highly imperfect atm.
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Verone
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Posted - 2005.10.05 19:13:00 -
[63]
No, I would never leave eve.
It's just too damn good.
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Plaeto
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Posted - 2005.10.05 19:54:00 -
[64]
I'm still waiting for CCP to announce their next MMORPG.
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Rick Dentill
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Posted - 2005.10.05 21:01:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Magnum III
Edited by: Magnum III on 05/10/2005 16:21:10
And X BTF Online more of a factory Building game.
Edit: Besides I'm not going any ware as long as Verone is still playing this game. Can you imagine no Verone? :)
Sorry X is more of a flight sim with building and trading elements added. The story/background is expansive and deep. But I am unsure of how a flight sim can really work for an extended period of time as it brings in real world skill and given how hard 1st person shooters were after playing EVE, I would be concerned. So I guess we shall just have to wait and see.
Before playing EVE I would have gone straight for it but now I am less sure.
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.10.05 21:04:00 -
[66]
While X was a good effort, it never really had that certain something that EVE does. Bringing it into the MMO realm wouldn't do it for me either. The game has no panache.
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AlleyKat
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Posted - 2005.10.05 22:05:00 -
[67]
Nothing to stop anyone playing both games
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Pooka
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Posted - 2005.10.06 00:16:00 -
[68]
I would cancell one of my 2 accounts for EvE but only for Earth and Beyond in any form.
But I would never cancel my main EvE account !!!!!!!!!!
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Xelios
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Posted - 2005.10.06 00:31:00 -
[69]
Are you kidding? I've spent the last 2 years of my life in this game, there's no way I'm getting myself hooked on another one for the next 5 years
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Trinelise
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Posted - 2005.10.06 01:20:00 -
[70]
I will consider another game if it has combat on a solar system scale. If you ever read the dread empire falls trilogy you know the kind of combat I am looking for (last book out later this year :-) ). Until then I guess they all will be something I play with for a month or 2 just to get a different experience now and then.
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crom ralphfao
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Posted - 2005.10.06 01:27:00 -
[71]
i'll play anything if it has panache. i mean come on............panache rules the day.
panache ftw!
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Gwenvahar
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Posted - 2005.10.06 03:45:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Magnum III
Edited by: Magnum III on 05/10/2005 16:21:10
Would you leave EVE for the Elite or X BTF MMORPG's that are coming in 2006 or beyond? :)
You know the thought of the T2 EVE style games comming online by 2006 had not even crossed my mind.. But here's the rub, by then ill be at least 1 year invested so it will come down to some basic self searching..
Had EVE significantly improved from whn I started?
Had my enjoyment of the game gone up or down?
Has the T2 game addressed all my complaints about EVE?
How full was the universe? 20k? 25k? 35k? 50k simultaneous players?
How much I was worth.
I think for me it would be those five things, in that order of importance, which I would weigh my decision on. If the ELITE game you speak of is very much based on the games I played way back in the day, I would have to say that I would absolutely play the free trial with much intrest. The story content would grow to accomodate the environment, I wouldn't prejudge based on the origional game content from years ago. I feel confident that landing on planets, and having to run blockades of pirates to the planet becaues its low sec, would be alot of fun for me. I believe the way Elite integrated the mining, trading and combat in equal aspects into a single career is awsome. EVE does not seem to do that for me.
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Noriath
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Posted - 2005.10.06 04:00:00 -
[73]
Edited by: Noriath on 06/10/2005 04:03:34
Well, sooner or later someone is going to come up with a better MMORPG, I'm pretty sure of that...
What I would really be interested in would be a science fiction MMORPG where you're not a ship but a character on a ship. And please not Startrek Online, Startrek was suffering from franchise fatique before, but as soon as you go online with a well known TV and movie universe you can just go downhill from there... kind of like Starwars. Ok, starwars went downhill from the second they gave the Han Solo action figure a jetpack that has more weapons then the Deathstar.
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Muthsera
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Posted - 2005.10.06 04:28:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Lifewire
It¦s like comparing Jules Verne to George Lucas. Jules Verne was the first. But Goerge Lucas made it perfect.
Hahahaha.. Very nicely put.
SoonÖ
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.10.06 05:01:00 -
[75]
the strength of eve is it can be upgraded to match new competitors CCP are much open to fan ideas and feedback - its online once it goes full broadband that opens up a lot more potential in terms of more bandwidth and more servers as IBM tecnology pushes forward = more players in a single system.
Eve has a lot more to go yet and i think it can evolve and still remain a long term game
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2005.10.06 05:04:00 -
[76]
I'm tired of eve, but there aren't any better games out. And I don't see any coming out either. The market research indicates that carebears are the biggest audience, so they corporate blobs keep cranking out carebear games. EVE is the last bastion of non-god-mode gaming.
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.10.06 05:06:00 -
[77]
i think eve works because it has a lot for all game types ie carebears to core PVPers
CCP implement new featuers with the eye for a balance and they use all the datamining tools they can ie if one NPC trade good market is underdeveloped they beef it up if one aspect of combat is over ubre they nerf it towards a common middle ground this is another reason the game works well as well
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Slithereen
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Posted - 2005.10.06 05:12:00 -
[78]
I have an open mind for new games, especially good space opera SF games and would be willing to give the new Elite a try if it turns out as immersive as Freelancer.
How long I will stay on it is another matter.
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ELECTR0FREAK
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Posted - 2005.10.06 08:02:00 -
[79]
My opinion is that EVE has a head start on any new space-based MMO coming out because it already has a crapload of content dumped onto it. It stays looking beautiful and not getting torn apart in the graphics department while managing to have added a LOT of new content over the years. Any new MMO would have to have had a heck of a lot of work put into it to be anywhere close to what EVE has to offer.
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Jocindus
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Posted - 2005.10.06 21:55:00 -
[80]
Um..........
I'm not getting the OP or any of the replies here at all. X BTF 3 (reunion) is the next version of btf due out and elite 4 is the next announced version of Elite.
X-3 Reunion is not going to be a MMO or even a multi-player game, it's a single player only game that will also be released for the X-Box.
Elite 4 appears to be dead. It was going to be a single-player game with (maybe) a limited multi (as in 16-32 total players) player add-on. But this was announced in 2001 and not a word about it from Frontier since.
So, sure both those games have potential to be a few hours diversion, but they're NOT MMO's and they won't be competing with Eve.
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Stepping Razor
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Posted - 2005.10.06 22:07:00 -
[81]
EVE is toxic for my RL. It's my first and last MMO. If I leave it (and I don't want to really) it will be for a real life, and the odd RTS with my buddies.
Razor
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Kryan
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Posted - 2005.10.07 12:55:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Muthsera
Originally by: Lifewire
It¦s like comparing Jules Verne to George Lucas. Jules Verne was the first. But Goerge Lucas made it perfect.
Hahahaha.. Very nicely put.
Just wondering.. Your sign. Isnt it "who dares wins" ? 
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xOm3gAx
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Posted - 2005.10.07 14:36:00 -
[83]
Well here's why i joined eve and wont leave...
4) Player run well everything nearly.
3) PVP
2) Space / SciFi
1) NO SHARD's (though a china shard is ok imo since its teh law there that and they laaaaaag)
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JoCool
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Posted - 2005.10.07 14:43:00 -
[84]
No.
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Cusi Huaman
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Posted - 2005.10.07 15:44:00 -
[85]
NO, I won't leave eve.
And while I'd buy a new installment of Braben's Elite series I won't hold my breath expecting it to be published anytime soon. Braben has a known history of delivering late...
... I want dessert - where is my Overlord?
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