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Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.30 20:03:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Himlar It's Hilmar. |
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Fatal Ascension
210
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Posted - 2011.10.30 20:17:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Himlar It's Hilmar. Wasn't Himlar a member of the German Gov't during WWII?
OMG, I think I just figured it out!
/puts on his tinfoil hat o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
32
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Posted - 2011.10.30 20:17:00 -
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That's Himmler. |
Sephiroth CloneIIV
Vitriol Ventures BLACK-MARK
7
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Posted - 2011.10.31 21:51:00 -
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ccp makes big mistakes in recent expansions, including HIMAR and others running the show.
The CSM brings issues to ccp but does not really make decisions on them.
So remove the people who are little at fault with company direction..... as if ccp needs less player input.
Sounds like ccp's ex's wet dream, blame it in the CSM, remove them.... and then awesome? Problems fixed?
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Sirhan Blixt
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
25
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Posted - 2011.11.01 01:01:00 -
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Mr R4nd0m wrote:Funny hows it only idiot goons posting cry baby tears - keep deep throatng mittani its hilarious....goons just keeping look stupid... Well I, for one, am completely effin' sold and wholeheartedly support this product and/or service.
What are we on about again? |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
613
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Posted - 2011.11.01 01:30:00 -
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Sirhan Blixt wrote:What are we on about again? Apparently we have ruined our image.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Jehan Markow
Militant Mermen LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
5
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Posted - 2011.11.01 01:52:00 -
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Mr R4nd0m wrote:Quote: Hilmar P+¬tursson: The CSM has been under constant evolution based on what's going on in the current environment, what's going on with CCP and Eve, who's on the Council and all that. The CSM has helped greatly through the years in getting feedback for aspects of the game.
But some of my concerns right now relate to whether the CSM is maybe focused on a particular aspect of the game and I'm starting to get feedback from players that they worry the CSM is too pre-occupied by a certain playstyle. That might mean we may need to change the structure, but definitely the CSM has worked as a feedback tool greatly throughout the years. We will have them over at the end of the year, after everything that's gone on, and we will have a chance to talk about that. We'll just see where we are and take it from there.
Too true, the CSM is all wrong at the moment. The problem is letting any goons in there, especially letting Mittani in as chair, and vile rat and other nullsec powermad idiots, big big mistake. Hilmar, if your removing some of your own people. Then remove the CSM, its not working and hasnt really worked. Now you just got CSM members trying to f**k over other CSM members, corruption and everything else. Just get rid of it, it sort of served its purpose.
Rather than proposing removal of the CSM, which just seems to make the pro-CSM elitists grow stronger, I have proposed ongoing crowdsourcing which if implemented would ensure that every player would have the chance to vote on proposals in the game at any point in time. Yeah, it would take a little work on CCP's part, but it would pay off in terms of lower levels of customer complaints and feedback and at the same time provide a problem-solving model unique in the gaming world. My proposal is here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=25858
I don't think CCP wants to remove the CSM now and you have to admit that the Goons - just like Mussolini - got their power through legitimate and democratic means. But with CCP's technology and expertise, the means could be far more democratic. -JM |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
616
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Posted - 2011.11.01 02:02:00 -
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Jehan Markow wrote:crowdsourcing Still not a real word.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Takara Mora
University of Caille Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2011.11.01 02:21:00 -
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Crowdsourcing - wow, who knew it really was a word after all?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowdsourcing |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
619
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Posted - 2011.11.01 02:34:00 -
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Because everything on wikipedia is true. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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Takara Mora
University of Caille Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2011.11.01 02:42:00 -
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Oh quit pouting ... 2001 called ... it wants its outdated social commentary back ... |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
620
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Posted - 2011.11.01 03:15:00 -
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I'm not the one upset that nobody takes my marketing doublespeak seriously. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Parsec Seti
1st Contact Fade 2 Black
20
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Posted - 2011.11.01 04:53:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Jehan Markow wrote:crowdsourcing Still not a real word.
All words are made up. What is a real word, vs. a non-real one? "Welcome to you're doom!" |
Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
20
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Posted - 2011.11.01 13:49:00 -
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Ok, now go read the link
These forums are already well within the umbrella of what is defined as crowdsourcing (despite being a stupid made up word). Whats being proposed is an absolute democracy, and I think history has made it quite clear those don't work. |
Parsec Seti
1st Contact Fade 2 Black
20
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Posted - 2011.11.01 14:06:00 -
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Yeep wrote: (despite being a stupid made up word)
Is this on the goonswarm talking points list? Does the hive think for you?
All words are made up. "Welcome to you're doom!" |
Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
20
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Posted - 2011.11.01 15:41:00 -
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Its a buzzword. A placating measure on a marketing agency's list for when customers feel ignored. Saying we should engage in crowdsourcing is about as useful as asking me to go to the shops for some stuff.
Now how about you address the rest of my post? |
Parsec Seti
1st Contact Fade 2 Black
24
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Posted - 2011.11.01 23:33:00 -
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Yeep wrote:Ok, now go read the link These forums are already well within the umbrella of what is defined as crowdsourcing (despite being a stupid made up word). Whats being proposed is an absolute democracy, and I think history has made it quite clear those don't work.
Yeep wrote:Now how about you address the rest of my post?
It seems like you're offering your opinions as fact. They are still just your opinions.
You (and many others) are still confused over the term democracy. As I understand it, a democracy is a system of government and implies that those voted in will govern over the public. While it true that the current CSM chair governs over you and decides what you can and can't do in EVE, the CSM does not govern over the playerbase.
What people are looking for here is a method of getting in touch with a great proportion of the players then the current method of the CSM. It is many peoples opinion that the CSM is biased and since their function is to be the lens through which CCP views customer issues, many people are left wanting a new system that the feel will do a better job in capturing the voice of the players. Crowdsourcing may not be the answer, but I like the idea of more representation, rather than less.
It's disappointing to see that most goonswarm posters on here seem to be trying to stop public discourse, rather than promote it...but I understand. "Welcome to you're doom!" |
Destru Kaneda
CTRL-Q
2
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Posted - 2011.11.02 00:52:00 -
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Tell him to give me "Cat Party" or it's going to be talon party. At your face's house. Music for robots, hackers, pirates, geeks and miscellaneous nerds. |
Parsec Seti
1st Contact Fade 2 Black
24
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Posted - 2011.11.02 01:06:00 -
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Destru Kaneda wrote:Tell him to give me "Cat Party" or it's going to be talon party. At your face's house.
Brilliant! took me a second (which is shameful) - but I support meeting these demands! "Welcome to you're doom!" |
Kerah Yahr
Corus Industries
0
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Posted - 2011.11.02 08:51:00 -
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SMT008 wrote:Mr Management wrote:The CSM is broken. The game was better in CCP's hand.
Sure. More walking in a closet and more monocles. Go ahead.
When 5000 people can vote for their alliance leader who publically writes that he wants to break Eve then the system is flawed. Nope. Check what's happening in real life. I'll take America as an exemple, despite how stupid that is. Two entites. Democrats and Republicans. Democrats ideas are stupidities, for Republicans. Republicans ideas are stupidities, for Democrats.
That is a pretty good analogy. Like American politics, posts on the forums break down into stereotypes, insults and name calling. |
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Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
36
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Posted - 2011.11.02 08:55:00 -
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Wait, what? Someone is actually trying to say that monoclegate and walking in a closet is the CSM's fault, and not CCP/Hilmar?
That's an interesting take on things. |
Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
20
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Posted - 2011.11.02 09:59:00 -
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Parsec Seti wrote: It's disappointing to see that most goonswarm posters on here seem to be trying to stop public discourse, rather than promote it...but I understand.
Have you read the features and ideas forum? Most of the ideas range from transparently self serving to completely braindead. The majority of players don't care about the state of the game outside their personal bubble of experience so yes, I'd rather keep the current system where people who at least understand the world is bigger than what they can see (even if they don't grasp the full implications or mechanics) get to filter communication with CCP. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
630
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Posted - 2011.11.02 10:21:00 -
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Parsec Seti wrote:It's disappointing to see that most goonswarm posters on here seem to be trying to stop public discourse, rather than promote it...but I understand. Because a thread titled "HILMAR - Remove the CSM Now" is an invitation to rational discourse.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Twisted Alice
Twisted Universe
24
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Posted - 2011.11.02 11:59:00 -
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CSM system flawed, totally.
Vote rigging, of course that won't change.
Corruption almost certainly.
Simple way to resolve it, get rid of the CSM.
Then problem solved. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
36
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Posted - 2011.11.02 12:02:00 -
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Twisted Alice wrote:Corruption almost certainly. What kind of corruption? |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
630
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Posted - 2011.11.02 13:19:00 -
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Twisted Alice wrote:Vote rigging, of course that won't change. I'm sure you have some proof of this, right? You wouldn't resort to making baseless accusations against the Chairman For Life...
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Big Bad Mofo
Retribution.
43
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Posted - 2011.11.02 13:21:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Twisted Alice wrote:Vote rigging, of course that won't change. I'm sure you have some proof of this, right? You wouldn't resort to making baseless accusations against the Chairman For Life...
So a few thousand of your own alliance members and a few thousand of their alts outside alliance is not considered vote rigging them? Im sure it is in real life..
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
630
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Posted - 2011.11.02 13:30:00 -
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Big Bad Mofo wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Twisted Alice wrote:Vote rigging, of course that won't change. I'm sure you have some proof of this, right? You wouldn't resort to making baseless accusations against the Chairman For Life... So a few thousand of your own alliance members and a few thousand of their alts outside alliance is not considered vote rigging them? Im sure it is in real life..
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Sirhan Blixt
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
28
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Posted - 2011.11.03 03:29:00 -
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Big Bad Mofo wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Twisted Alice wrote:Vote rigging, of course that won't change. I'm sure you have some proof of this, right? You wouldn't resort to making baseless accusations against the Chairman For Life... So a few thousand of your own alliance members and a few thousand of their alts outside alliance is not considered vote rigging them? Im sure it is in real life.. So the real crime is ... that there are so many Goons?
I'm a little conflicted here.
I mean, consider the Goon stereotypes we hear, mostly from pubbies: fat neckbeards, addled by Asperger's Syndrome, living in parents' basements, condemned to dying alone.
On the other hand, now I'm in a position where I have to ask, quite pointedly and out loud ...
... that if you can't manage the level of social interaction and cooperation necessary to compete with Goons on this playing field ...
... WHY IS THAT OUR PROBLEM??
Seriously-- work with me here. I don't know which way to go with this.
(it's all because we don't open-recruit, isn't it?) |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
45
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Posted - 2011.11.03 07:57:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Twisted Alice wrote:Corruption almost certainly. What kind of corruption? I guess not? |
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