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Angel Lust
Vikinghall
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Posted - 2011.11.06 13:10:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote: What have the CSM done to make the game not "amazing, deep, open, engrossing and wonderful"?
Remove CSM
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Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
64
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Posted - 2011.11.06 13:22:00 -
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Angel Lust wrote:Lord Zim wrote: What have the CSM done to make the game not "amazing, deep, open, engrossing and wonderful"?
Remove CSM So what they did to make the game "not amazing, deep, open, engrossing and wonderful", as defined by Kire Moshiko, was sit at the meetings with bugeyes? |
MaiLina KaTar
Katar Corp
18
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Posted - 2011.11.06 17:03:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Vote next time? Why would I vote when the entire thing is a failure and ought to never have happened in the first place? You're basically asking me to vote for either ******* or ******. Ain't gonna happen.
Gome [b]professional[/i] CRM for the job, not a bunch of ******* nerds. |
Kire Moshiko
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1
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Posted - 2011.11.06 17:25:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote: So, given the fact that the staff and shareholders/owners of CCP are dependent on EVE being a success, you would assume that they were in fact, you know, developing the game. Continuously. Not just barely keeping it alive for 18 months, amidst an increasingly vocal playerbase saying "this isn't right, fix it", followed by "holy fuckshit, we need to start developing the game again! SHUT. DOWN. EVERYTHING!".
Just sayin'.
I was having a great time, I didn't feel shorted at all until the CSMs started sticking their oars in. During the period of time you cite the game as barely being alive in fact.
That's my point - my love for the game started dying right about the time we got CSMs and certain sections of the playerbase discovered that they could influence game design by screaming a lot.
Lord Zim wrote:600k characters logged in when there were, what, 357k accounts total in-game at the end of 2010? Where did you see this?
I thought it was quoted on air during the Eve TV coverage. Maybe I'm wrong but it doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of Eve - be it 600,000 accounts or 400,000 - did not vote for the current CSM.
Lord Zim wrote: Actually, you did choose, and you did have a say in their appointment. You chose to not care, and as such, you not giving a **** about the voting process itself doesn't mean you can say you had no say in their appointment. You had your chance to try to vote in someone else.
Vote next time?
There wasn't an option for "none of the above." There was no button labelled "I don't hire a lawyer to fix my plumbing, why is one doing my game design?" I wasn't allowed to vote for "Someone Qualified." |
Kire Moshiko
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1
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Posted - 2011.11.06 17:27:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Kire Moshiko wrote:I want to play the amazing, deep, open, engrossing, wonderful game I was playing before a bunch of unqualified nullsec muppets started screaming to have their own way. I want my Eve back. I want my CCP back. What have the CSM done to make the game not "amazing, deep, open, engrossing and wonderful"?
They've kicked and screamed and drummed their heels on the ground about their own tiny pet issues and made such a din that CCP have dragged people off projects I would have liked to see and onto whatever flavour-of-the-month-cause the loudest section of the playerbase has decided is important.
Running an eye down the list of resolved issues on the Evelopedia, there are two issues on the entire list I actually care about. There are a bunch of minor tweaks I'm not convinced CCP wouldn't have done anyway, and a couple of items that are pure hysteria. This quote is especially great:
"House cleanup by IA department (or creation of one if it doesn't exist) and clearing up all the "rotten apples" . Although there is no public T20 yet, I doubt the GM department is fully clean."
Yes, that is "some bloke" demanding a security audit of CCP employees because he doesn't believe a department is clean. Note that this is not CCP's HR department talking. This is "some guy" who happens to have a spare -ú15 every month to play a game with. There's no evidence of any corruption, this guy isn't privy to any special information, he just doesn't think that honesty is likely.
Do you know what a huge common factor is among successful games, be they MMOs or AAA boxed games? The successful games are the ones that are designed and developed by the people who are making something they want to play.
The game I fell in love with was CCP's. Not The Mittani's. Not Jade Constantine's. Not Vuk Lau's. Not that of any member of any of the CSMs. Where once we had a game being developed iteratively towards a vision of a complete, finished experience encompassing a vast range of concepts and variety of playstyles, now we have a thousand disparate pieces being screamed about until CCP pays attention. I want to go back to the days where expansions happened because someone had an idea and wanted to make something beautiful, not constant developmental firefighting based on rumour, hysteria and personal agenda. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
64
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Posted - 2011.11.06 17:45:00 -
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Kire Moshiko wrote:Lord Zim wrote: So, given the fact that the staff and shareholders/owners of CCP are dependent on EVE being a success, you would assume that they were in fact, you know, developing the game. Continuously. Not just barely keeping it alive for 18 months, amidst an increasingly vocal playerbase saying "this isn't right, fix it", followed by "holy fuckshit, we need to start developing the game again! SHUT. DOWN. EVERYTHING!".
Just sayin'.
I was having a great time, I didn't feel shorted at all until the CSMs started sticking their oars in. During the period of time you cite the game as barely being alive in fact. That's my point - my love for the game started dying right about the time we got CSMs and certain sections of the playerbase discovered that they could influence game design by screaming a lot. So what changes was it the CSM pushed through that has you all up in arms? Because from my perspective, CCP decided to revamp the SOV system, completely flubbed it and released 50% of what was planned, made some ships hideously overpowered, and set a team of 4 or something to fix critical problems for the next 18 months. From my perspective, CCP screwed the pooch back then, and is only NOW finally starting to breathe life back into the game.
So, since we're looking so differently at the whole thing, where do you live? Hisec, lowsec, nullsec? What has CCP changed the last 3 years that you're so pissed over?
Kire Moshiko wrote:There wasn't an option for "none of the above." There was no button labelled "I don't hire a lawyer to fix my plumbing, why is one doing my game design?" I wasn't allowed to vote for "Someone Qualified." What is required for someone to be "qualified"? |
Temba Ronin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2011.11.06 18:12:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:So, what you're saying is that the instant someone gets on the CSM, they can't actually advocate or perform any acts of griefing? Something which is, at least in my mind, a large cornerstone of how 0.0 works, and to a certain extent also hisec? You picked the boot licking route, I am not surprised, can't really expect anyone who is afraid to undock alone to man up. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
64
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Posted - 2011.11.06 18:17:00 -
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Temba Ronin wrote:Lord Zim wrote:So, what you're saying is that the instant someone gets on the CSM, they can't actually advocate or perform any acts of griefing? Something which is, at least in my mind, a large cornerstone of how 0.0 works, and to a certain extent also hisec? You picked the boot licking route, I am not surprised, can't really expect anyone who is afraid to undock alone to man up. Do you have an actual answer to the question, or are you just going to fling impotent insults? |
Kire Moshiko
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
2
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Posted - 2011.11.06 18:27:00 -
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Apologies for the brevity here but I'm running short of time.
I currently have accounts that are active in high and lowsec - I spent about 2 years living in nullsec and still visit it fairly often but frankly I always found it to have either not enough people, or people I couldn't stand. In my time in eve, I've never been one single thing - I've always engaged in everything Eve has to offer. I'll fight solo, lead a fleet, run a mission or strip a belt with equal happiness but what I am most of all, is a tourist in someone else's vision.
Hilmar talked once about evolving Eve piece by piece into a "complete science-fiction simulator" and I'd like to see that. CCP have proven that they can create a game that I love, because I fell in love with Eve. There is no evidence that anyone on the CSMs has ever created a successful game, never mind one that is to my taste.
It's not any one thing that the CSM has done that has me, as you put it, "up in arms." It's the presumption of a group of players that they can chose what my money is spent on. I want the artists I am paying to make this game to decide what they spend time on, not "some random blokes."
For the playstyle I have, Eve has worked just fine, barring those horrible desyncs back in Cold War/RMR, which CCP fixed all by themselves. Even if we had a CSM back then, they'd probably have been demanding CCP change the rules on anchor ranges so they could make better penises and swasticas. Because from my PoV, that's what's happening. My FiS was working just fine so why would I want a body around that just forced CCP to "focus" on FiS when I could have had a more diverse and beautiful game to lose myself in that in future, could evolve in many different ways.
As for what I'd consider "qualified" to tell CCP what to do, how about a degree in Game Design including at least one business module, one AAA title shipped and having to successfully pass a two-stage interview by people at CCP who then decide to hire them. That's on a par with what makes you suitable to design a game in every other games company. |
Temba Ronin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2011.11.06 18:32:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Temba Ronin wrote:Lord Zim wrote:So, what you're saying is that the instant someone gets on the CSM, they can't actually advocate or perform any acts of griefing? Something which is, at least in my mind, a large cornerstone of how 0.0 works, and to a certain extent also hisec? You picked the boot licking route, I am not surprised, can't really expect anyone who is afraid to undock alone to man up. Do you have an actual answer to the question, or are you just going to fling impotent insults? Your question has been repeatedly answered but i'll give it one final try..... i never said any member of the CSM could not grief anyone in the game, so quit trying to win a point you created in your own mind .... the current choices as described by the CSM themselves, as the CSM does not square with the posted job definition and that is indisputable ..... perhaps I foolishly assumed that before running for the CSM every candidate would have read what it meant to be a member of the CSM and made the personal choice to operate under that definition ..... abusing the role of being a member of the CSM to reward your political supporters hurts the greater player base. CSM6 has not in any demonstrative way performed their roles as representatives of the greater player base as they are by job definition bound to do, and they are proud of it.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
678
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Posted - 2011.11.06 18:39:00 -
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Temba Ronin wrote:CSM6 has not in any demonstrative way performed their roles as representatives of the greater player base as they are by job definition bound to do Sure they have.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Temba Ronin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2011.11.06 19:04:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Temba Ronin wrote:CSM6 has not in any demonstrative way performed their roles as representatives of the greater player base as they are by job definition bound to do Sure they have. EVELOPEDIA.Beta Candidates are expected to be active on the CSM forums and participate in the discussion of topics. They are also expected to adhere to the EULA/TOS and carry themselves in a manner that sets an example for other players to follow. The Mittani Post #31 "I haven't given CCP any of my actual money in years"
So following his example EVE has no paying subscribers and you think that is good for the game?
You think CCP will continue to fund it out of the goodness in their hearts and their love of creating a PVP Gankers Heaven right?
CSM6 has not performed their duties in the best interests of the greater player base, and they are proud of it. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
56
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Posted - 2011.11.06 19:23:00 -
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Temba Ronin wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Temba Ronin wrote:CSM6 has not in any demonstrative way performed their roles as representatives of the greater player base as they are by job definition bound to do Sure they have. EVELOPEDIA.Beta Candidates are expected to be active on the CSM forums and participate in the discussion of topics. They are also expected to adhere to the EULA/TOS and carry themselves in a manner that sets an example for other players to follow. The Mittani Post #31 "I haven't given CCP any of my actual money in years" So following his example EVE has no paying subscribers and you think that is good for the game? You think CCP will continue to fund it out of the goodness in their hearts and their love of creating a PVP Gankers Heaven right? CSM6 has not performed their duties in the best interests of the greater player base, and they are proud of it.
So ... Mittani has been playing off the PLEX that someone else shelled out the $15 per for...
You or I could do that just as easily as he can... |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
64
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Posted - 2011.11.06 19:26:00 -
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Kire Moshiko wrote:Apologies for the brevity here but I'm running short of time.
I currently have accounts that are active in high and lowsec - I spent about 2 years living in nullsec and still visit it fairly often but frankly I always found it to have either not enough people, or people I couldn't stand. In my time in eve, I've never been one single thing - I've always engaged in everything Eve has to offer. I'll fight solo, lead a fleet, run a mission or strip a belt with equal happiness but what I am most of all, is a tourist in someone else's vision.
Hilmar talked once about evolving Eve piece by piece into a "complete science-fiction simulator" and I'd like to see that. CCP have proven that they can create a game that I love, because I fell in love with Eve. There is no evidence that anyone on the CSMs has ever created a successful game, never mind one that is to my taste.
It's not any one thing that the CSM has done that has me, as you put it, "up in arms." It's the presumption of a group of players that they can chose what my money is spent on. I want the artists I am paying to make this game to decide what they spend time on, not "some random blokes." So, in other words, your current playstyle hasn't really been affected the last 2 years, since nothing has really changed where you go for the last 2 years. The only thing that really changed in that timeperiod, has been the supers buff (causing them to be literally **** out as quickly as they can be queued up), and half (or less) of the planned SOV revamp to be released, all of which affect 0.0 only (well, unless you think about PL camping amamake).
This 18+ month period wasn't something the CSM demanded of CCP, it was CCP themselves who decided to shift almost all its focus on to WoD and Dust514, and if some people in here is to be believed, it wasn't the CSM that got CCP "back on track", it was the unsubscription numbers.
Kire Moshiko wrote:Even if we had a CSM back then, they'd probably have been demanding CCP change the rules on anchor ranges so they could make better penises and swasticas. Because from my PoV, that's what's happening. My FiS was working just fine so why would I want a body around that just forced CCP to "focus" on FiS when I could have had a more diverse and beautiful game to lose myself in that in future, could evolve in many different ways. You do realize that the CSM can't actually force CCP to do anything if it's inane **** like that? The only way the CSM can actually leverage any power over CCP is if CCP themselves screw up royally. Like, say, not developing the game for 18 months so everyone is getting fed up.
Kire Moshiko wrote:As for what I'd consider "qualified" to tell CCP what to do, how about a degree in Game Design including at least one business module, one AAA title shipped and having to successfully pass a two-stage interview by people at CCP who then decide to hire them. That's on a par with what makes you suitable to design a game in every other games company. FYI: Seleene was the guy that was the lead designer of the expansion where the SOV revamp was in, and he himself has repeatedly said that it's not what he had envisioned, and he has himself been very vocal in getting CCP to start fixing issues that have plauged the game for years. And, if memory serves, literally everyone that's on the CSM right now are saying they're all mostly in agreement and seem very satisfied with the direction CCP have suddenly decided to take.
Temba Ronin wrote:perhaps I foolishly assumed that before running for the CSM every candidate would have read what it meant to be a member of the CSM and made the personal choice to operate under that definition ..... abusing the role of being a member of the CSM to reward your political supporters hurts the greater player base. Do you have an example of this abuse of power?
Temba Ronin wrote:Candidates are expected to be active on the CSM forums and participate in the discussion of topics. They are also expected to adhere to the EULA/TOS and carry themselves in a manner that sets an example for other players to follow. The Mittani Post #31 "I haven't given CCP any of my actual money in years"
So following his example EVE has no paying subscribers and you think that is good for the game? Wait a minute. Are you saying that what Mittani is doing, i.e. buying PLEX to keep his account running, is against the EULA/TOS? And that the entire playerbase is going to do exactly the same things Mittani is doing?
I'm hoping you know where the PLEX is coming from... |
Temba Ronin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2011.11.06 20:01:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Temba Ronin wrote:perhaps I foolishly assumed that before running for the CSM every candidate would have read what it meant to be a member of the CSM and made the personal choice to operate under that definition ..... abusing the role of being a member of the CSM to reward your political supporters hurts the greater player base. Do you have an example of this abuse of power? Temba Ronin wrote:Candidates are expected to be active on the CSM forums and participate in the discussion of topics. They are also expected to adhere to the EULA/TOS and carry themselves in a manner that sets an example for other players to follow. The Mittani Post #31 "I haven't given CCP any of my actual money in years"
So following his example EVE has no paying subscribers and you think that is good for the game? Wait a minute. Are you saying that what Mittani is doing, i.e. buying PLEX to keep his account running, is against the EULA/TOS? And that the entire playerbase is going to do exactly the same things Mittani is doing? I'm hoping you know where the PLEX is coming from...
Business 101 customer---> company = maximum profits customer----> middleman-----> company =less potential profits unless volume increases to offset loss
So you are telling me CCP has explained their confidential revenue stream to you and after your expert analysis you have come to the conclusion a reduction in the direct subscriber base would in no way threaten their financial stability which would be very bad for the greater player base. I am just a subscriber/ player clearly I don't have the access you MUST have. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
56
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Posted - 2011.11.06 20:39:00 -
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Temba Ronin wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Temba Ronin wrote:perhaps I foolishly assumed that before running for the CSM every candidate would have read what it meant to be a member of the CSM and made the personal choice to operate under that definition ..... abusing the role of being a member of the CSM to reward your political supporters hurts the greater player base. Do you have an example of this abuse of power? Temba Ronin wrote:Candidates are expected to be active on the CSM forums and participate in the discussion of topics. They are also expected to adhere to the EULA/TOS and carry themselves in a manner that sets an example for other players to follow. The Mittani Post #31 "I haven't given CCP any of my actual money in years"
So following his example EVE has no paying subscribers and you think that is good for the game? Wait a minute. Are you saying that what Mittani is doing, i.e. buying PLEX to keep his account running, is against the EULA/TOS? And that the entire playerbase is going to do exactly the same things Mittani is doing? I'm hoping you know where the PLEX is coming from... Business 101 customer---> company = maximum profits customer----> middleman-----> company =less potential profits unless volume increases to offset loss So you are telling me CCP has explained their confidential revenue stream to you and after your expert analysis you have come to the conclusion a reduction in the direct subscriber base would in no way threaten their financial stability which would be very bad for the greater player base. I am just a subscriber/ player clearly I don't have the access you MUST have.
OK, taking your Business 101...
Customer --> company = Player buys game time directly from CCP at ~ $10 per month (using a year sub). This is either a breakeven point for CCP, or they're still profiting.
Customer --> Middleman --> Company = um ... plex?
You do realise that there is a "Customer --> company" relationship between CCP and shatteredcrystal/battleclinic/etc, right?
Let's say CCP is selling the GTC at say $30 per (2x $15 PLEX per GTC), which Battleclinic is selling at about $35 to the consumer... CCP is making more off PLEX than they are subs (up to $10 per month, since each GTC can cover 2 accounts) ... and with the PLEX price going through the roof lately, there may very soon be an influx to CCP as people start seeing "buy GTC, convert to PLEX, sell for ISK" as a viable solution... |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
64
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Posted - 2011.11.06 21:04:00 -
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Add to that the fact that there are quite a few people who are doing this buy a plex thing who wouldn't otherwise be playing, so overall I would assume CCP is coming out ahead. vOv |
Elise DarkStar
DarkCorp Capital Group DarkCorp Imperium
133
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Posted - 2011.11.06 21:46:00 -
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"Remove the CSM because Mittani pays for his account(s) with plex."
This thread is done.
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Temba Ronin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2011.11.06 22:15:00 -
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Elise DarkStar wrote:"Remove the CSM because Mittani pays for his account(s) with plex."
This thread is done.
Elise DarkStar #15Posted: 2011.09.15 03:03 | Report "I've got far more than 25b.
You must think very little of your marks here if you hope that such a weak deflection would work. Probably best to just pipe down or you'll ruin any chance at coming away with a noteworthy scam haul.
I retract my goodwishes."
so because you have a lot of isk you get to decide when a thread is done ...... Perfect example of a whiny vet with a built up sense of entitlement and authority..... sorry most of the conversation went over your head but your comments were mildly entertaining nonetheless. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
64
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Posted - 2011.11.06 22:17:00 -
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Huh?
Edit: Holy mother of god, did you really, unironically, go back to one of the very first posts a char made, on a completely different subject, to "own" him?
That's, uh... new. |
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Temba Ronin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2011.11.06 22:26:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:Temba Ronin wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Temba Ronin wrote:perhaps I foolishly assumed that before running for the CSM every candidate would have read what it meant to be a member of the CSM and made the personal choice to operate under that definition ..... abusing the role of being a member of the CSM to reward your political supporters hurts the greater player base. Do you have an example of this abuse of power? Temba Ronin wrote:Candidates are expected to be active on the CSM forums and participate in the discussion of topics. They are also expected to adhere to the EULA/TOS and carry themselves in a manner that sets an example for other players to follow. The Mittani Post #31 "I haven't given CCP any of my actual money in years"
So following his example EVE has no paying subscribers and you think that is good for the game? Wait a minute. Are you saying that what Mittani is doing, i.e. buying PLEX to keep his account running, is against the EULA/TOS? And that the entire playerbase is going to do exactly the same things Mittani is doing? I'm hoping you know where the PLEX is coming from... Business 101 customer---> company = maximum profits customer----> middleman-----> company =less potential profits unless volume increases to offset loss So you are telling me CCP has explained their confidential revenue stream to you and after your expert analysis you have come to the conclusion a reduction in the direct subscriber base would in no way threaten their financial stability which would be very bad for the greater player base. I am just a subscriber/ player clearly I don't have the access you MUST have. OK, taking your Business 101... Customer --> company = Player buys game time directly from CCP at ~ $10 per month (using a year sub). This is either a breakeven point for CCP, or they're still profiting. Customer --> Middleman --> Company = um ... plex? You do realise that there is a "Customer --> company" relationship between CCP and shatteredcrystal/battleclinic/etc, right? Let's say CCP is selling the GTC at say $30 per (2x $15 PLEX per GTC), which Battleclinic is selling at about $35 to the consumer... CCP is making more off PLEX than they are subs (up to $10 per month, since each GTC can cover 2 accounts) ... and with the PLEX price going through the roof lately, there may very soon be an influx to CCP as people start seeing "buy GTC, convert to PLEX, sell for ISK" as a viable solution... Unless you have facts to support the figures you are arbitrarily plugging in you really don't know do you? So how does that trump the Business 101 model i posted? It doesn't.
Have none of you ever had a debate where you had to support your position with facts instead of "My opinion is better then your opinion"? Come on upgrade your intellectual game to make this at least challenging. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
64
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Posted - 2011.11.06 22:35:00 -
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Temba Ronin wrote:Velicitia wrote:Let's say CCP is selling the GTC at say $30 per (2x $15 PLEX per GTC), which Battleclinic is selling at about $35 to the consumer... CCP is making more off PLEX than they are subs (up to $10 per month, since each GTC can cover 2 accounts) ... and with the PLEX price going through the roof lately, there may very soon be an influx to CCP as people start seeing "buy GTC, convert to PLEX, sell for ISK" as a viable solution... Unless you have facts to support the figures you are arbitrarily plugging in you really don't know do you? So how does that trump the Business 101 model i posted? It doesn't. What's arbitrary about them? The $30 figure? The "say" bit means it's a guesstimate, but it makes sense that CCP is selling a GTC at the same price as 2 months' worth of subscription (assuming monthly subscription), as it yields 2 PLEX. Shatteredcrystal does indeed sell GTCs at $35:
http://www.shatteredcrystal.com/index.php/eve_online
The $10 pr month is a bit off, the actual figure is $8, as if you buy a yearly subscription you pay $11/month:
https://secure.eveonline.com/AddGametime/ (needs a login, can't be arsed to look for a non-login page).
Temba Ronin wrote:Have none of you ever had a debate where you had to support your position with facts instead of "My opinion is better then your opinion"? Come on upgrade your intellectual game to make this at least challenging. You might want to pipe down a bit on the personal insults, what with you actually going 13 pages back on elise darkstar's posting history just to find a quote about having more than 25b. |
Elise DarkStar
DarkCorp Capital Group DarkCorp Imperium
133
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Posted - 2011.11.06 22:39:00 -
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I have more than 120b, actually. So I can pretty much dictate everything that happens on this forum. I'm basically an overmod. |
Temba Ronin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2011.11.06 22:43:00 -
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You might want to pipe down a bit on the personal insults, what with you actually going 13 pages back on elise darkstar's posting history just to find a quote about having more than 25b.[/quote]
Zim I concede your point here ...... I at times have too sharp a pen .... I admit to suffering fools poorly ..... it is because i have no problem admitting when i have been proven wrong or incorrect and it is an extreme annoyance when i encounter others incapable of growth and intellectual honesty. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
64
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Posted - 2011.11.06 22:47:00 -
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So what did Elise do wrong then? I don't see anything which is illogical or inherently wrong in what he posted. |
Temba Ronin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2011.11.06 22:58:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Huh?
Edit: Holy mother of god, did you really, unironically, go back to one of the very first posts a char made, on a completely different subject, to "own" him?
That's, uh... new. Um ...... yeah I am a relentless researcher ........ because i am of the opinion facts more often then not win the day. Being armed with the best factual knowledge base can give an advantage to the person possessing that greater resource in my opinion. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
64
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Posted - 2011.11.06 23:00:00 -
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Temba Ronin wrote:Um ...... yeah I am a relentless researcher ........ because i am of the opinion facts more often then not win the day. Being armed with the best factual knowledge base can give an advantage to the person possessing that greater resource in my opinion. Problem is, that quote had absolutely nothing to do with what you were responding to. Nada. Zip. Zilch. Nuh-uh. |
Temba Ronin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2011.11.06 23:03:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Temba Ronin wrote:Um ...... yeah I am a relentless researcher ........ because i am of the opinion facts more often then not win the day. Being armed with the best factual knowledge base can give an advantage to the person possessing that greater resource in my opinion. Problem is, that quote had absolutely nothing to do with what you were responding to. Nada. Zip. Zilch. Nuh-uh. Kinda like your argument about the ingame activities of the CSM members when I was commenting on the activities of the CSM as the CSM. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.06 23:12:00 -
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Oh, really? So when you're saying things like this (I'm leaving the weak insult out of it):
Temba Ronin wrote:If you can't differentiate between a CSM saying he advocates for griefing and doing the actual griefing you are correct you aren't talking about how the CSM members behave or what they say when they're communicating with CCP (which we aren't really privy to, so I've at least no idea what they actually do/say there) vs how the CSM members behave when playing the game or communicating their own opinions on forums? |
Temba Ronin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.06 23:21:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Oh, really? So when you're saying things like this (I'm leaving the weak insult out of it): Temba Ronin wrote:If you can't differentiate between a CSM saying he advocates for griefing and doing the actual griefing you are correct you aren't talking about how the CSM members behave or what they say when they're communicating with CCP (which we aren't really privy to, so I've at least no idea what they actually do/say there) vs how the CSM members behave when playing the game or communicating their own opinions on forums? Of course I am not talking about stuff I am not privy to ...... but I have watched the videos of Our CSM Chairman talking with CCP .... I have watched the videos of our Chairman of the CSM being interviewed .... i have read some not all of the reports and personal descriptions of how members of CSM6 have conducted themselves in meetings with CCP(written by those members of CSM6 who were in fact present at those meetings) which by the way i strongly suggest to anyone who wants to contribute to a lively debate about the effectiveness or focus of the CSM should take the time to do so they might also be armed with FACTS they can be privy to. |
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